TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #3

[ALTCMT]

"Before Miles set out, Blake let him know there were places Lori had told him never to look. The strongbox, hidden in a closet, was labeled “crafts.”

'So what do you think I did?' Miles said. 'I took a flathead screwdriver and broke that thing open.'"

AND

"Inside was a court document from 1988 showing she had changed her name. Before she was Lori, she was Becky Sue Turner.
In the strongbox there also were letters of reference from an employer and a landlord. And the scribbles: North Hollywood police. 402 months. Ben Perkins, an attorney."

If FLEK thought no one was home, then to her and only to her, no one was home. This is a woman who had a restraining order against her for sending her in-laws death threats. This is a woman who had a gun. If no one answered the door or no one saw or heard her, then that's a good thing. He went to get his paper and that's when he spotted her vehicle. I also would have hurried back into the house and called the police. A restraining order was violated on FLEK's part. No discussion, no approaching her or her vehicle, just hurry back in and call the police.

You are right about that, I would have closed that garage door and gone right to call the police, definitely not approached the car. Maybe it's different for a man, not wanting to show his real fear of his son's unstable wife to the rest of his family? Were her husband and her daughter at the parent's home at that time too? I don't recall reading anything about who was actually at the home other than her father in law discovered the vehicle in the driveway. Being Christmas Eve, were there other family there as well?

I do feel terrible for this family. I am sure they are devastated by all of this.

 

[tiffay01]

I do completely agree. They had every right to close the garage door and call the police, they did have the restraining order and I wouldn't want to approach her either. I wasn't sure how the entire thing went down 100%. At the end of the day I just keep hoping that they (being Blake and his daughter) will have answers so she will eventually know who she is and if there is anything she needs to be aware of.

 

[ALTCMT]

Has anyone on here ever seen the actual police report from the police department that investigated her death? If this is not allowed to be discussed publicly on here, please message me. I have no idea of all the rules on here (other than common sense ones , so please let me know if I post anything that is not allowed.

 

[Beezneez]

There was a restraining order against FLEK. She shouldn't have been in the driveway, if she was the Ruff's had the right to call the police and have her leave. There is nothing that states that the Ruff family was not home on Christmas Eve. It doesn't state that in the report. If everyone is asleep prior to 6:30am, then it makes sense that no one would know that she was out front.

I agree that they were well within their rights to call the police. I'm just trying to clarify what seems to be an inconsistency between the FOIA report & the version of events given by Velling.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Good! I didn't remember that at all. I think I need to take a break and just review the old info.

ETA: Yes, yes... right here:

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/gallery-evidence-jane-doe-left-behind/

These prints were taken just after her death. If you look closely, you will see a part of the fingerprint card states part of the word 'evidence'.

JMo

 

[fred&edna]

These prints were taken just after her death. If you look closely, you will see a part of the fingerprint card states part of the word 'evidence'.

JMo

I don't know when nor how they got the prints, but they certainly have them and that's a good thing. One of the few "real" links to her original identity.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I believe it is SOP to take the prints of anyone who dies from anything other than natural causes. I can guarantee you LE got the prints off the gun she used to shoot herself and compared them. That is just a part of the investigation, IMO.

 

[Aluev]

I just wonder who had custody of their daughter? Were the threats she made triggered by a custody battle? How can a mother lose her rights against the father? I imagine she must be proven incompetent for very serious reasons.

 

[georgiagirl]

I apologize if this has been brought up before but did her in-laws or husband or police open the letter to her daughter?

 

[LaLaw2000]

I don't think that question has been answered at all, georgiagirl. I would assume the husband opened it at the request of LE because it was in the SUV where FLEK killed herself and might have provided some answers as to why she did it. One of my friends son killed himself and his suicide note/letter was confiscated by LE. It was released later on at the close of the death investigation. Of course she had read it at the scene.

I'm fairly certain there was an investigation by LE into FLEK's suicide. LE never takes anything at face value. There are things LE has to ascertain such as what FLEK's dominant hand was comparing that to which side of the head she shot herself on. Take her prints and compare to the prints on the weapon and so forth. Take measurements as to whether the gunshot was done from a sitting position or was someone standing outside the window and shot her. Nothing is ever at face value.

I doubt we will ever know what was in the suicide note/letter addressed to her husband and daughter. She may not have even given a reason and only told them she loved them and so forth. I believe she wanted the daughter to remember the tea parties and that she loved her. I really know nothing..........just speculating on that point.

But in answer to your question, LE would have a keen interest in the Note/letter.

JMO

*This is all so very sad for the daughter.

 

[georgiagirl]

I don't think that question has been answered at all, georgiagirl. I would assume the husband opened it at the request of LE because it was in the SUV where FLEK killed herself and might have provided some answers as to why she did it. One of my friends son killed himself and his suicide note/letter was confiscated by LE. It was released later on at the close of the death investigation. Of course she had read it at the scene.

I'm fairly certain there was an investigation by LE into FLEK's suicide. LE never takes anything at face value. There are things LE has to ascertain such as what FLEK's dominant hand was comparing that to which side of the head she shot herself on. Take her prints and compare to the prints on the weapon and so forth. Take measurements as to whether the gunshot was done from a sitting position or was someone standing outside the window and shot her. Nothing is ever at face value.

I doubt we will ever know what was in the suicide note/letter addressed to her husband and daughter. She may not have even given a reason and only told them she loved them and so forth. I believe she wanted the daughter to remember the tea parties and that she loved her. I really know nothing..........just speculating on that point.

But in answer to your question, LE would have a keen interest in the Note/letter.

JMO

*This is all so very sad for the daughter.

Good points. I guess I'm just wondering why she didn't want her daughter to read it until she's 18. It seems if it was just a love letter she would want her to read right away.

I thought that the note would give a reason or explain who she really is.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[trixandhoney]

I wonder if the gun was registered in her name, and if so, when she bought it.

 

[llywrch]

I apologize if this has been brought up before but did her in-laws or husband or police open the letter to her daughter?

In one of the previous posts someone (sorry to be so vague) stated that the family had opened that letter. It simply asked the girl to remember the good times & the tea parties they enjoyed together -- things like that.

I'd wondered about that letter at the beginning, because I wondered if it contained clues about LEK's birth name & her earlier life. Which is why the family had doubtlessly opened the letter.

 

[Magnum P.E.]

I wonder if the gun was registered in her name, and if so, when she bought it.

It is Texas. I doubt they ask too many questions before you buy a handgun.

I never heard any specifics on that weapon, even type, brand, or caliber, but given FLEK's thoroughness at erasing her past, I don't think she would leave a trail there. I'd like to be wrong, though.

 

[c8080]

It is Texas. I doubt they ask too many questions before you buy a handgun.

I never heard any specifics on that weapon, even type, brand, or caliber, but given FLEK's thoroughness at erasing her past, I don't think she would leave a trail there. I'd like to be wrong, though.

A background check would be required if she bought it from a store, but she could have bought it from a private party without many questions being asked. Also, I'm not sure about TX, but I know in other states guns aren't registered when purchased. So they make sure you can legally own it, but there isn't a registry saying that gun belongs to ABC person.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

A background check would be required if she bought it from a store, but she could have bought it from a private party without many questions being asked. Also, I'm not sure about TX, but I know in other states guns aren't registered when purchased. So they make sure you can legally own it, but there isn't a registry saying that gun belongs to ABC person.

Well there bloomin' well should be! I'm shocked by this, it should be licensed like cars are. Crazy.

 

[c8080]

Well there bloomin' well should be! I'm shocked by this, it should be licensed like cars are. Crazy.

It just depends on the state. (http://smartgunlaws.org/registration-of-firearms-policy-summary/)

States that Require Registration of All Firearms
District of Columbia[SUP]11[/SUP]
Hawaii[SUP]12[/SUP]
States that Require Registration of Handguns
New York[SUP]13[/SUP]
States that Require New Residents to Report Their Firearms
California[SUP]14[/SUP]
Maryland[SUP]15[/SUP] (handguns and assault weapons)
States that Require Registration of Pre-Ban Assault Weapons or 50 Caliber Rifles
California[SUP]16[/SUP] (assault weapons and 50 caliber rifles)
Connecticut[SUP]17[/SUP] (assault weapons and large capacity magazines)
Hawaii[SUP]18[/SUP] (assault pistols)
Maryland[SUP]19[/SUP] (assault pistols)
New Jersey[SUP]20[/SUP] (assault weapons)
New York[SUP]21[/SUP] (assault weapons)
States that Prohibit Registries of Firearms
Delaware[SUP]22[/SUP]
Florida[SUP]23[/SUP]
Georgia[SUP]24[/SUP]
Idaho[SUP]25[/SUP]
Pennsylvania[SUP]26[/SUP]
Rhode Island[SUP]27[/SUP]
South Dakota[SUP]28[/SUP]
Vermont[SUP]29[/SUP]

 

[tarheelslim]

Well there bloomin' well should be! I'm shocked by this, it should be licensed like cars are. Crazy.

It's probably in the top 3 most divisive issues in this country... there are states that would probably rather secede than implement a mandatory gun registry.

 

[Laughing]

Well there bloomin' well should be! I'm shocked by this, it should be licensed like cars are. Crazy.

Remember the movie Red Dawn? The movie Soviets roll their tanks up to the county courthouse, order the appropriate county clerk to hand of the names of registered gun owners, then disarm the local, Constitutionally protected, militia???

Bumper sticker wisdom, but if guns are outlawed -- only outlaws will have guns.

 

[DJmultiplecats]

Lol, we're not going to solve gun control here, so tactfully redirecting convo to FLEK...