TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #4

[Gardener1850]

as for the bus they did not really check ID unless someone ells pay for the tick and you had to pick it up. that was back in the early 90's

this is my think out loud really so please forgive me on this.

One if she was trying to keep in contacted with someone from her past she could have use personal add in the new papers. (for the cult thing)
I am think should could be younger then she looks in the photo and say on her ID.(me being tall and a bit bigger built I could pass for 18-25 at 13-14)
Then there is the "we dont do that" she told her mil about add in the paper. It should like something I would say to a child.

Did she have any odd scares on her back ? I am not sure if i ran across anything around the left shoulder.

In the high tea photo she was wearing a pink hat. I the Red hat Society women under 55 wear pink hats. They also do high tea and such a lot. (grandmother/Aunt)

I am trying to reach out to my friend and family in the area I have lived. There is some cross over in location maybe in years to not 100% yet.

As far as we know she did not have any scars, however, there was no autopsy performed. An autopsy would have noted things like that but they didn't find out she was living under a false ID until after she had already been cremated. So we have to go by photos and her husband's memory. Everything I've read says she had no tattoos, no noticeable scars or birthmarks, etc. Even bad scars fade overtime though and her husband seems like he was not very observant. JMO.

 

[Gardener1850]

Was just playing around with name combinations, wondering if maybe her real name was a mix of her adopted names. I got this result when I searched Becky Kennedy - probably nothing (I believe people from Arkansas have distinctive accents?) but got me thinking that there might be people out there who knew FLEK under her real name who are looking for her. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/jonesboro-ar/TGNDP5G90F9V01BK8

Off to search more 'long lost friend' type forums....

Interesting. I think the first 2 posts in 2009 are sincere but the last 3 from 2014 seem to be trolling/making stuff up. I'll see if I can find a yearbook picture of Becky K from AR.

 

[mrseeker]

I've been thinking about why someone would get an Idaho ID that shows that he or she is 18, and I can't believe I didn't think of this before. I am the same age as FLEK, and a lifelong Washingtonian. The drinking age in WA has always been 21, but in Idaho, it was 19. People who went to Washington State U in Pullman, WA, constantly drove over to Idaho to drink. And 18 year olds knew exactly how to get Idaho an ID, and did it with some regularity. A few of my friends had them. The federal law raising the drinking age in the entire country went fully into effect in 1988. FLEK, with BST's ID, would have missed being grandfathered in by about 3 months. Her math scores weren't great, but still, she probably didn't get her ID for drinking. But maybe she was at WSU and learned a few tricks? Pullman is relatively close to Spokane, and some of the other small HWDR-related towns that have been discussed. Has anyone else looked at this angle? I don't want to duplicate efforts. It is a big, big school.

My friends got their IDs by using an older sib's birth cert. I used a yearbook photo and my mom to get my WA driving permit-- me and my friends used to joke about the ridiculous things we would haul into the DMV to prove our identities. We were 15-18 years old goofballs, and the staff never batted an eye. So FLEK's birth cert, complete with receipt would likely have been more than ample, even at a location that had its eye out for students trying to fake them out.

And about that receipt... Is there anything on it that ties it specifically to that particular birth certificate? I don't see anything. It looks to me like the receipt and stamp could have been for any birth cert. I mention this because on another site, someone mentioned that the number at the top of the BST birth cert indicates that it is one of only two LOCAL birth certs that are made (at the hospital, I think) prior to being sent off to be filed with the state. After that, any duplicate certs would display a number at the top indicating that it is from the state. If that is so, (and I don't know that it is for sure) how did FLEK end up with a local birth cert and a receipt from the state? The family would have had one of the two local copies, I believe.

Sorry for the blathering-- I hope this isn't all just a rehashing of old stuff.

Do you remember any talk back then, that if you wanted a fake ID go to Idaho? I really was not aware of state issued id's other than the DL until maybe 1985 or 86. Not that states were not issuing them, I just never knew. I think I saw it when I went to get my CA license after a move. I am leaning towards FLEK living in Idaho or Eastern Washington in the weeks, if not years leading up to the name change.

 

[Katinka]

She had plenty of PO Box addresses she could have given but it's a good thought that she could have used an address we don't know about. I would like to ask the Pilot instructor that signed her certificate if he knows the witness, Christian Shave/Shaver. Was this someone that happened to be there (another instructor or another student in the same class) or was this a friend she brought with her to watch her flight/jump?

The pilot was a resident of Texas. I can't find a Christian Shaver with a TX address, so I assume he didn't work for Buckeye Pilot.

 

[Katinka]

<modsnip> the evidence is pretty solid that LEK was living full-time in the Houston area during at least half of those years. She registered for classes at a Community College in Fall of 1990. She was caught speeding October 1992. In 1996 she obtained that Buckeye flying certificate in the Dallas area. She attended UT at Arlington for several years until 1997 -- her husband's family found her college transcripts in the house after her suicide -- & her resume shows she held jobs in the Dallas area from 1997 on. (Yes, it is possible that her resume is entirely fictitious, but IMHO that document would make her achievements sound a lot more positive than it does.)

Now it's more than possible that she might have been gone from the Dallas area for weeks or months at a time between 1988 & 1992 -- say she registered at the community college in 1990, even signed up for some classes, but never showed up -- because we don't have much solid information about where she was living those years. Nevertheless, after late 1992 it becomes much harder to argue she wasn't living in the Dallas area. Your theory that she wasn't living in the Dallas area would be plausible is if someone went thru the old phone books for the time & see if they had no trace of her -- although it's not unusual for a single woman to list her name in the phone book by initials without her address, & if she moved a lot there might be no listing for her.

But to argue that she spent those years instead somewhere other than the Dallas metro area, such as Florida, the first step would be to check the local phone books, which at the least would verify the other information we have about where she lived. And the Dallas Public Library does have a collection of phone books that cover this period of time, which makes me wish I lived in the Dallas area so I could do the research.

I think the NCH reference on the resume is legitimate. NCH owes Lori $71.50 which may be unclaimed wages. Either she moved without leaving a forwarding address or the address that she gave NCH was bogus.

2436 HARWOOD RD 387
BEDFORD, TX, 76021

https://www.missingmoney.com/Main/ClaimEligibility.cfm

 

[mrseeker]

I think the NCH reference on the resume is legitimate. NCH owes Lori $71.50 which may be unclaimed wages. Either she moved without leaving a forwarding address or the address that she gave NCH was bogus.

2436 HARWOOD RD 387
BEDFORD, TX, 76021

https://www.missingmoney.com/Main/ClaimEligibility.cfm

I put becky S turner in the search for texas and the state of idaho has money for her...with another texas address...coincidence? 117 CALDWELL
PRINCETON, TX, 75407


looking at the property records no turner ever owned it.

 

[Gardener1850]

The pilot was a resident of Texas. I can't find a Christian Shaver with a TX address, so I assume he didn't work for Buckeye Pilot.

I know, I have searched for him before but not very extensively because the name is not too clear. I wonder if the witness was a made up name by a friend of FLEK's who also didn't want to be identified. Whoever he was it could be someone who knew FLEK in 1996 and would be very interesting to hear what the had to say about her.

 

[Gardener1850]

Interesting. I think the first 2 posts in 2009 are sincere but the last 3 from 2014 seem to be trolling/making stuff up. I'll see if I can find a yearbook picture of Becky K from AR.

No luck on finding a yearbook photo from Arkansas. Sorry.

 

[Gardener1850]

Update on the blogger with Lori's business posts from 2005--I looked up her profile on archive.org and she had different profile picture in 2008. Wow, she could be Lori's sister. That's how much she looks like her, IMO. There is even a picture of her in a tea party hat in a blog post I found with archive. I don't know when these pictures were taken but if they were in 2008 and if Lori's tea picture was in 2008 then they are not the same person. So similar though it's scary, IMO. I'm still looking for concrete evidence this lady exists after 2010 beside her blog posts. I'm not posting her name or direct links to her blog on purpose. Hopefully you all can follow the bread crumbs.

 

[Gardener1850]

I put becky S turner in the search for texas and the state of idaho has money for her...with another texas address...coincidence? 117 CALDWELL
PRINCETON, TX, 75407


looking at the property records no turner ever owned it.

I found this person a few weeks ago and ruled her out as being FLEK. Turner was her married name. The main W family that lived there was her brother's family. She's listed in her father's 2009 obituary.

https://www.news-journal.com/obituaries/2009/jan/31/carl-allen-wallace-sr/

 

[mrseeker]

I found this person a few weeks ago and ruled her out as being FLEK. Turner was her married name. The main W family that lived there was her brother's family. She's listed in her father's 2009 obituary.

https://www.news-journal.com/obituaries/2009/jan/31/carl-allen-wallace-sr/

Well she has money from Idaho.

 

[Harriet]

Update on the blogger with Lori's business posts from 2005--I looked up her profile on archive.org and she had different profile picture in 2008. Wow, she could be Lori's sister. That's how much she looks like her, IMO. There is even a picture of her in a tea party hat in a blog post I found with archive. I don't know when these pictures were taken but if they were in 2008 and if Lori's tea picture was in 2008 then they are not the same person. So similar though it's scary, IMO. I'm still looking for concrete evidence this lady exists after 2010 beside her blog posts. I'm not posting her name or direct links to her blog on purpose. Hopefully you all can follow the bread crumbs.

Just been down a large rabbit hole with this. I saw that picture too. So then on googling the name came across someone with the same name and middle name n who died in 2008 aged 19. Date of birth in 1989 the online obit shows a remarkable similarity to FLEK. Also wearing a pink tea room hat and lived in Longview. Some of the comments on the obit suggested to me an absent mother, who was born in 1964.

Never mind 6 degrees of separation, this case appears to have only 2 or 3

Never mind 6 degrees of separation

 

[Gardener1850]

Well she has money from Idaho.

That's the only weird part--I never found her connection to Idaho for sure, but I found enough other records to settle in my own mind she couldn't be FLEK. Go ahead and look if you still feel it's suspicious. I think that it's just a case of a too-common name. MOO.

 

[Gardener1850]

Just been down a large rabbit hole with this. I saw that picture too. So then on googling the name came across someone with the same name and middle name n who died in 2008 aged 19. Date of birth in 1989 the online obit shows a remarkable similarity to FLEK. Also wearing a pink tea room hat and lived in Longview. Some of the comments on the obit suggested to me an absent mother, who was born in 1964.

Never mind 6 degrees of separation, this case appears to have only 2 or 3

Never mind 6 degrees of separation

That is weird. The R surname we are looking at is the blogger's married name. Her maiden name starts with La. She also married and divorced a T. So if Lori had that R surname she was a sister-in-law. I think Lori looks too much like the blogger though so I've been looking into her family instead of her husband's family. Here's a bizarre search result I found that I cannot understand nor explain. I searched the blogger's email address from her blog and found it connected with words from a poem about a twin sister that died in a car accident. But this website, I'm not sure what it is, it's garbled and I don't understand why her email is there. I'm not going to post the website I found this partial poem and her email address on because it's such a weird URL. I'm concerned it might be a virus site or something, although my virus detectors did not alert. The email to search is her name at gmail and you will find it.

I searched for the poem from the first line and found it posted here: http://www.familyfriendpoems.com/poem/death-of-twin-sister
But none of the comments seem to be the blogger unless she used a different name to comment on the post. Maybe the poem is posted elsewhere. Can anyone find a comment on this poem elsewhere by the blogger or someone that sounds like FLEK? I know someone joked about FLEK being a twin, but if I found out this blogger was her twin I would not be at all surprised at this point.

 

[mrseeker]

That's the only weird part--I never found her connection to Idaho for sure, but I found enough other records to settle in my own mind she couldn't be FLEK. Go ahead and look if you still feel it's suspicious. I think that it's just a case of a too-common name. MOO.

Wonder why if they have her address, it has not been given to her. It appears to be only a coincidence. wonder why idaho property would be turned over to texas to find the owner? Is it possible someone in Idaho linked the wrong becky sue tucker to that address and Becky Wallace sent it back? Just a thought. I hate coincidences.

 

[Harriet]

That is weird. The R surname we are looking at is the blogger's married name. Her maiden name starts with La. She also married and divorced a T. So if Lori had that R surname she was a sister-in-law. I think Lori looks too much like the blogger though so I've been looking into her family instead of her husband's family. Here's a bizarre search result I found that I cannot understand nor explain. I searched the blogger's email address from her blog and found it connected with words from a poem about a twin sister that died in a car accident. But this website, I'm not sure what it is, it's garbled and I don't understand why her email is there. I'm not going to post the website I found this partial poem and her email address on because it's such a weird URL. I'm concerned it might be a virus site or something, although my virus detectors did not alert. The email to search is her name at gmail and you will find it.

I searched for the poem from the first line and found it posted here: http://www.familyfriendpoems.com/poem/death-of-twin-sister
But none of the comments seem to be the blogger unless she used a different name to comment on the post. Maybe the poem is posted elsewhere. Can anyone find a comment on this poem elsewhere by the blogger or someone that sounds like FLEK? I know someone joked about FLEK being a twin, but if I found out this blogger was her twin I would not be at all surprised at this point.

The blogger does look like Flek. However, the search brought up someone else with the same name from Longview but clearly younger. The right age to be fleks daughter. Looks like her and so I searched more and found her mum and sister.

Sister is a pilot. Mother has references to good shepherd, helicopters and a optical business on her web page. She is the right age to be Fleks sister. Sister is also connected to the military.

 

[Harriet]

Also the blogger name email address leads to first Presbyterian church in garland. Isn't that the family church?

The twin thing sounds likely. It would account for the different looks throughout the years and makes it very easy to be in two places at once.

 

[Gardener1850]

Also the blogger name email address leads to first Presbyterian church in garland. Isn't that the family church?

The twin thing sounds likely. It would account for the different looks throughout the years and makes it very easy to be in two places at once.

I don't recall hearing that church name before but I'll have to look back. Lori met Blake at Northwest Bible Church in Dallas. They married at a small church in Denton. Lori allegedly did marketing work for a Baptist church in in another place before she married Blake. They did counseling at yet another church where their neighbor was a pastor. I don't know where Blake's family attends, but there are a lot of churches involved in this case.

 

[Gardener1850]

The blogger does look like Flek. However, the search brought up someone else with the same name from Longview but clearly younger. The right age to be fleks daughter. Looks like her and so I searched more and found her mum and sister.

Sister is a pilot. Mother has references to good shepherd, helicopters and a optical business on her web page. She is the right age to be Fleks sister. Sister is also connected to the military.

The younger one is the one that died at age 19, right? Her birth record is on family search and shows her parents names. I don't know that there is a connection to the blogger but those are some interesting details given what we know about FLEK's interest in planes/parachuting. Is the Good Shepherd the same group Ben Perkins was legal aid for?

 

[Gardener1850]

Ooh, I just found the blogger's father is a pilot too. He received a prestigious award from the FAA in 2013. This is getting interesting. Could be the reason FLEK lived near airports if she had a family of pilots.