TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #4

[pie]

She's too young to be Rose Cole, right?

 

[Beezneez]

She's too young to be Rose Cole, right?

I think she would be at the top end of the age range.
FLEKs age isn't exactly known, but to fit RC she would have been 31 in 1988. That would make her 51 when she had her baby. Not totally out there age wise.
What a crazy story she has- basically covers all the FLEK theories! Interesting that her birthday was 12/23/56 & FLEK committed suicide on 12/24/10
Here is her thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?37727-Rose-Lena-Cole-16-Oakland-1972-1

 

[sunnynz]

The birth dates don't match- that was the first person I checked! Cynthia was 05/07/68. The CP in the court case was 7/26/71, if I am understanding correctly.
I googled GK from the court case, haven't come up with anything so far.

I found the obituary for GK's mother I think. Google the mother's name and the state and it comes right up.

GK's current wife's name starts with a C but her maiden name does not start with a P so it's not CP.

Her name is fairly uncommon so easy to find her on social media under her married name. (Of course this is all assuming I have the right family!).

 

[jimbo1984]

Hi Guys, long time reader; first time poster.

I am an English citisen but married a Brazilian girl and current
y live in Brazil.

From what has been released through the FOIA we dont have any financial transfer (except cheque payment for Idaho iD)

Did she open any standard bank account with a debit card? (Very easy to obtain on a bank in Europe*)

Did she ever apply for a cred card?

*debit card is available on almost every bank account. Proving your address and your monthly income is usually ok ffor a bank account.

 

[jimbo1984]

To elaborate on my post I want to state that obtaining a credit card is more difficult than opening a bank account. How was Lori paid for any of her positions?

 

[Laughing]

I think we are being given the "image" the Ruff family wants us to have. I mean remember we only have ONE portrayal of who she was. I would bet she was much more down to earth, happy, and as normal as we all are. At least for the most part of her married life. She may have flipped the switch right at the end and that might be the image the Ruff family portray.

What the Ruff clan described as evasive or aloof may be perceived as quiet and reserved by other people. Lori may have been a good listener, allowing others to talk about themselves while sharing little information.

South Fishy, we may be on the same board....

 

[Beezneez]

I found the obituary for GK's mother I think. Google the mother's name and the state and it comes right up.

GK's current wife's name starts with a C but her maiden name does not start with a P so it's not CP.

Her name is fairly uncommon so easy to find her on social media under her married name. (Of course this is all assuming I have the right family!).

Where did you find the mothers name?

 

[LaLaw2000]

i dont know where to post this, but want to share.
https://whereaboutsstillunknown.wordpress.com/2014/12/26/the-missing-missing-part-i/

Thank you for this. It is sad that there are so many of them.

 

[milkymama]

I found the obituary for GK's mother I think. Google the mother's name and the state and it comes right up.

GK's current wife's name starts with a C but her maiden name does not start with a P so it's not CP.

Her name is fairly uncommon so easy to find her on social media under her married name. (Of course this is all assuming I have the right family!).

That's the same family I found.

 

[milkymama]

Where did you find the mothers name?

GK's mother's name was stated in the opinion.

 

[tiffay01]

What the Ruff clan described as evasive or aloof may be perceived as quiet and reserved by other people. Lori may have been a good listener, allowing others to talk about themselves while sharing little information.

South Fishy, we may be on the same board....

Very true..since I am from the exact area she was from in Texas generally speaking people have big bold personalities, even to this day. So when there is someone a little more reserved or quiet I guess we do tend to describe them as such. I probably should have taken that a little more in consideration ! Thank you.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

@Linda, I've seen your post on the FB page and I know you're peed off, but please come back! You've worked harder on this case and been more proactive than most, and you should be here.

Really hoping an announcement comes to fruition soon.

lease:

 

[fred&edna]

@Linda, I've seen your post on the FB page and I know you're peed off, but please come back! You've worked harder on this case and been more proactive than most, and you should be here.

Really hoping an announcement comes to fruition soon.

lease:

Linda has worked diligently on this case even (or especially) during the many months of little (to no) activity. She doesn't just share opinions on posts (that part is easy)... but she has actually made efforts through research and contacts. As most of us know, sometimes the research pays off and sometimes it doesn't... but it's the sleuthing that provides the answers - one way or another. Linda's a pretty smart cookie (imo )

 

[Beezneez]

@Linda, I've seen your post on the FB page and I know you're peed off, but please come back! You've worked harder on this case and been more proactive than most, and you should be here.

Really hoping an announcement comes to fruition soon.

lease:

On a websleuths page? What is everyone talking about? Did something come up?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

On a websleuths page? What is everyone talking about? Did something come up?

Linda's screenshot convo with the ex PI got posted on FB and he's not happy about it. It was just as he was about to send Linda some extra docs, and now he won't.

 

[DrDella]

Something I've been meaning to mention when the Idaho ID is discussed. At the age of 18 it is required by law to have a legal ID, meaning either a state ID card or driver's license. If she grew up in a controlled environment or as a foster child she may not have ever learned to drive until later in life. I went to high school with several foster kids and none of them took driver's training or got a driver's license as is pretty much tradition for an American teen at the age of 16, living in suburban communities. I've also know several adults who did not get a driver's license until their 30s or 40s.

 

[fred&edna]

We all wonder... who was Lori, what happened to her, why did she become someone else, and why suicide. While we don't yet have answers, I think this case is not just a perplexing mystery, for some it possibly hits close to home.

A WS member (who prefers to remain anonymous) asked me to share the following:

Around the exact same time as FLEK was changing her identity, me and a bunch of other girls (20-25), including my best friend, had been raped by a much older man. When many of us started coming forward he fled and went under an assumed name for a few months until he was caught. He is a very dangerous man! He even made credible threats to investigators and victims during his trials. Many of the victims ended up moving far away from one another and refuse to keep in touch out of safety concerns. My "best-friend" from that time has since been missing. We believe she has spent the past 3-4 decades in hiding from this monster. When investigators tried finding her about 6 years ago they were unsuccessful. I know FLEK isn't her because they look nothing alike. But the point of this is that I know my friend doesn't want to be found and for good reason. Our rapist is out of jail with time served and still presents a risk to teen girls. Maybe FLEK left under similar circumstances because many of this guys victims have also tried or succeeded at committing suicide.

 

[zieroh]

At the age of 18 it is required by law to have a legal ID, meaning either a state ID card or driver's license.

That's a pretty sweeping statement. So sweeping, in fact, that I would have to label it as false. ID requirements vary widely from state to state, and what is true today was almost certainly not true (ID-wise) in 1988.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Another consideration for all. I don't recall this girl being mentioned at all as a possibility for FLEK. There appear to be some things that could fit and others that may not. The pictures of her appear to be pics of when she was much younger than her age when she disappeared. However I see similarities in the hairline, eyes and mouth. There appears to be a gap in her teeth as well. Her height is listed as up to 5'8". She disappeared in 1985 from MA (Laciner reminder /possible connection). Her vehicle was found at an airport. Cons: she as at the uppermost end of the age range, having disappeared at age 29 but depending on how old her posted pics are, she may have been young-looking t to begin with. She had a history of an injury to her pelvis. This could be a reason for difficult conception? OR it could be a reason to rule her out. I hesitate on the rule out because although it's possible that this should have been discovered on an autopsy, in FLEKS case, we don't know how thorough the autopsy was given there was an obvious cause of death (gunshot to the head) and we have never seen the autopsy report. Now that I think about it, I can't even remember if there was an autopsy. Anybody remember anything?

Debra Crossetti. Found her mentioned in a recent UID thread mentioned by Carl as a possibility there. She is also a good possibility there.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11224/0

There is an interesting thread here on WS about Debra that I haven't finished reading yet, but there appears to have been a bit of interesting criminal activity surrounding Debra and her family, including a 1988 trial she was unavailable for because she had gone missing in 1985. Hmmm .... good reason for an identity change in 1988? Gonna go finish reading the thread with a second cup of coffee. ....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ra-A-Cressotti-29-Blandford-30-Apr-1985/page4

 

[Magnum P.E.]

Another consideration for all. I don't recall this girl being mentioned at all as a possibility for FLEK. There appear to be some things that could fit and others that may not. The pictures of her appear to be pics of when she was much younger than her age when she disappeared. However I see similarities in the hairline, eyes and mouth. There appears to be a gap in her teeth as well. Her height is listed as up to 5'8". She disappeared in 1985 from MA (Laciner reminder /possible connection). Her vehicle was found at an airport. Cons: she as at the uppermost end of the age range, having disappeared at age 29 but depending on how old her posted pics are, she may have been young-looking t to begin with. She had a history of an injury to her pelvis. This could be a reason for difficult conception? OR it could be a reason to rule her out. I hesitate on the rule out because although it's possible that this should have been discovered on an autopsy, in FLEKS case, we don't know how thorough the autopsy was given there was an obvious cause of death (gunshot to the head) and we have never seen the autopsy report. Now that I think about it, I can't even remember if there was an autopsy. Anybody remember anything?

Debra Crossetti. Found her mentioned in a recent UID thread mentioned by Carl as a possibility there. She is also a good possibility there.

https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11224/0

There is an interesting thread here on WS about Debra that I haven't finished reading yet, but there appears to have been a bit of interesting criminal activity surrounding Debra and her family, including a 1988 trial she was unavailable for because she had gone missing in 1985. Hmmm .... good reason for an identity change in 1988? Gonna go finish reading the thread with a second cup of coffee. ....

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ra-A-Cressotti-29-Blandford-30-Apr-1985/page4

Debra Cressotti has DNA in the system and I have seen her as a rule out for, I think, Lake Ponchartrain Jane Doe, so they are doing comparisons. The circumstances of her disappearance could dovetail with FLEK's reluctance to talk about her past, the timing works, and she is not 5 feet tall or whatever. Appearance is at least possible.

It makes sense but IMHO she ain't FLEK. If they both weren't in the same system I'd probably call it in.