TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #4

[Gardener1850]

Which may point to Idaho as a real home once


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I have been thinking this for a while now.

 

[Gardener1850]

I have been thinking this for a while now.

I meant to say more on this earlier but got called away from my computer. I have a suspected family from Idaho but I have been hesitant to post about it. I won't post names, but there is a current death row inmate who murdered a woman in Boise, Idaho in 1988. Search and you will find him. I had a theory FLEK could be related to him or even could have been married to him and she took the opportunity to go into hiding when he went to prison. However, I cannot find any concrete evidence linking them. What I have that makes it an interesting possibility: His mother married at least 6 times, his father married at least 3 times and their spouses married multiple times as well..which all points to the practice of polygamy, IMO. This makes it very hard to account for all the siblings. One of his half sisters died from heart failure in 1988. His mother grew up in the Reno, NV area and at the time of the half sister's death in 1988 one half sister or step sister was living in Nevada and working as a "cage manager". Another step sister lived in Washington state and died in Colorado. A half brother died in Orem, Utah (there's a part of the note pad that looks like it could say Orem). When his mother was divorcing his father it was mentioned that the father was thought to be in Dallas, Texas (that was in 1965 and his father did not stay in TX but his 2nd wife died in Garland, TX in 1970--FLEK could be a daughter of this wife but I can't find a birth record). His father's name is Jack (Jack.son reference from the note). His mother died in 1989. Someone with his same name married a Kathi Turner in Umatilla County, Oregon in Dec 1971, about a week before the Turner girls died in the fire in Fife, WA. I say "someone with his same name" because he would have only been 13-14 years old at that time of the marriage so it seems unlikely. Regardless, they were divorced in May 1974. For awhile I strongly considered that Kathi Turner could be FLEK. There was a Kathi Turner who lived on Haverford Rd in Dallas, Texas in 1990: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KGJX-JBM That address is right between two early addresses FLEK used. 6102 Mockingbird Lane was used on her SS Application (1988) and 6266 Melody Lane was used on her Passport Application and GED (1990). However I found another Kathi Turner in the Dallas area that is alive today and a more likely explanation is that was her...I'm not sure why I'm posting all this except that these strange coincidences keep bothering me. Please don't post the inmate's name if you find it. The last thing I want is to give him some reason to appeal his conviction by claiming to be related to this story. FLEK is not alive to defend herself. Although I have been peeved at her fraud at times, if she ran to get away from this family situation I can understand why.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/610...8f24180cde!2m2!1d-96.7568069!2d32.8647518!3e0

 

[creepedout]

That made my head spin. Great job connecting all this, regardless of the outcome.

 

[sunnynz]

Some names to keep an eye out for: Lori/Lorie/Laurie (any), Erica/Erika, Emily (really any name stating with E) Becky/Rebecca, Sue/Susan, Sandy/Sandra, Kennedy, Turner, Barker, Howder...And of course she could be none of these but these are what I have been searching. I don't have a classmates account however.

Also Jessica

 

[sunnynz]

This basically reinforces the idea that she needed the BST alias for more than just a new "clean" identity. She may have used it in Idaho while using the LEK identity in Texas. If there were duplicate social security numbers at that point, that would make it even easier because there wouldn't be any conflict between the identities.

Yes, so agree with this. Anyway we can find out where the BST from that 1988 Nevada marriage record was from? Idaho? Is that kind of info on ancestry?

 

[sunnynz]

Someone recently also posted on the FB group that they had shared Lori's photo on their FB and someone from a town in Idaho had said they maybe recognised her as a sister of a high school friend. I think Idaho needs a lot more attention from all of us.

 

[sunnynz]

Thank you Linda! Did that info get to WantingToHelp as well, who was asking after this a bit further up the thread? Unless I misinterpreted and the question was indeed just in reference to Christopher McCandless' driver's license..

Sorry I can't find the answer to this - did the Christopher McCandless angle ever get looked into? I only just saw a side by side of him and FLEK and wow, they look SO alike.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Yes, so agree with this. Anyway we can find out where the BST from that 1988 Nevada marriage record was from? Idaho? Is that kind of info on ancestry?

From one of the recent posts of ancestry records here, I was able to trace that the BST that married the Kevin C. In Nevada later had two children with that last name. And then later had another last name. I think I took a screen shot and will have to look for it later. The other marriage record, someone should try to trace through ancestry. I didn't see anything on that name. I think that mans initials were RWB. I also think someone here attempted to trace him awhile ago, but I don't know if they had access to ancestry.

 

[Owutatangledweb]

Maybe. She may have had to use the Idaho ID for her name change request. Does anyone know if it is possible to file an FOIA request and get the FULL name change proceeding documents for us to see? It would detail why she told the court she wanted to change her name.

Court records are normally public records and you don't need a FOIA request. Just need to check with that county probate court and ask for the records. But I can't recall whether Agent Velling already tried that and struck out. These records may be microfiche due to their age.

 

[mrseeker]

I am not convinced that ID was ever her home. The street was spelled wrong. I don't think someone wanting to assume a new identity would want to point anyone to her real identity by using a place from her past. In fact she seems to be creating distance in a very meandering way from the only place we are sure she resided for a time - Southern Cal. I do not think that is where she is from, but it does seem she lived and worked there in the mid to late 80's before this name change. The Boulder City NV address seems part of this tangled path. It is near the AZ border and then a sleepy town - mostly retirees. It's like she was traveling a little off the grid so to speak. I wonder if Dallas was a complete break from her past, or a reconnecting with her past. Also how does phoenix fit in? She used phoenix sometimes to refer to her past, but was it a place she visited or did she actually live there for a time.

 

[Linda9681]

I am not convinced that ID was ever her home. The street was spelled wrong. I don't think someone wanting to assume a new identity would want to point anyone to her real identity by using a place from her past. In fact she seems to be creating distance in a very meandering way from the only place we are sure she resided for a time - Southern Cal. I do not think that is where she is from, but it does seem she lived and worked there in the mid to late 80's before this name change. The Boulder City NV address seems part of this tangled path. It is near the AZ border and then a sleepy town - mostly retirees. It's like she was traveling a little off the grid so to speak. I wonder if Dallas was a complete break from her past, or a reconnecting with her past. Also how does phoenix fit in? She used phoenix sometimes to refer to her past, but was it a place she visited or did she actually live there for a time.

What do we have as proof she lived in Southern California? As far as I know we have no proof of ANYWHERE she lived other than Texas, with the exception of the dropbox in Nevada. It is just as likely she lived in Idaho as in California or even Arizona. We really just have no idea.


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[Linda9681]

Sorry I can't find the answer to this - did the Christopher McCandless angle ever get looked into? I only just saw a side by side of him and FLEK and wow, they look SO alike.

Honestly just that one pic did. His multiple other pics look nothing like her..


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[BigCityAccountant]

I have been searching the other woman BE that had lived at the Idaho address. Gardner1850 has also been doing some research on her. We both traced her to an address in Eugene Washington. Although, I could not find records for the previous owners I did some searching on the new owners. The current owner is Kadaja. Mrs. Kadaja wrote a book about Estonians coming to America. From other research that Gardner did, we know that BE was Estonian. I've researched all of the children and have found them to all be living..so that did pan out. However, I am really thinking that there maybe some legitimacy to Gardner's statement that she may have been an exchange student. The college BE attended was Cottey College and it is associated with PEO. I found another member/alumni from the Idaho area who has the last name Lierz/Delong who coincidentally is also an author and if you look at her FB page she has a wedding picture which has a strong resemblance to FLEK.

I can't remember who mentioned it earlier, but I think we should definitely check out the Boise Idaho address residents so more.

Linda I know you've done extensive research on FLEK~~you have confirmation that FLEK did in fact live in CA? I know it was talked about sometime ago that it was possible that she may have only traveled there to get the birth certificate, but if you have confirmation she lived there, would you mind sharing that knowledge. Do we have an address for her in Southern CA?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Hi all, I dip in and out of this case and find it hard to keep up with all the brilliant work you're doing and I'm sure what we see here is just the tip of the iceberg!

I've always wondered why this case has never gone viral, a la Grateful Doe? It would only take one person to come forward to blow it wide open and give us a name, the rest would be easy. Has anyone here (or on Reddit maybe) ever thought about starting a viral campiagn? If nothing else it may nudge the family / Professor to divulge any info they have already.

Interested to hear your thoughts and apologies if this has already been covered.

 

[Gardener1850]

I have been searching the other woman BE that had lived at the Idaho address. Gardner1850 has also been doing some research on her. We both traced her to an address in Eugene Washington. Although, I could not find records for the previous owners I did some searching on the new owners. The current owner is Kadaja. Mrs. Kadaja wrote a book about Estonians coming to America. From other research that Gardner did, we know that BE was Estonian. I've researched all of the children and have found them to all be living..so that did pan out. However, I am really thinking that there maybe some legitimacy to Gardner's statement that she may have been an exchange student. The college BE attended was Cottey College and it is associated with PEO. I found another member/alumni from the Idaho area who has the last name Lierz/Delong who coincidentally is also an author and if you look at her FB page she has a wedding picture which has a strong resemblance to FLEK.

I can't remember who mentioned it earlier, but I think we should definitely check out the Boise Idaho address residents so more.

Linda I know you've done extensive research on FLEK~~you have confirmation that FLEK did in fact live in CA? I know it was talked about sometime ago that it was possible that she may have only traveled there to get the birth certificate, but if you have confirmation she lived there, would you mind sharing that knowledge. Do we have an address for her in Southern CA?

Thank you for taking so much time to follow that BE lead. I totally missed that the current owners of BE's one address in Oregon wrote about Estoniana. That makes so much sense now why she went there--I thought she was just following her boyfriend/now husband, but why did she go to Nevada, MO for only one year other than Mrs. Barker's connection with the PEO and Cottey college? I've been reading up on people who lived at her Nevada, MO address. Have not found an Estonian connection there. The closest I've found that I thought could be relatives of FLEK from that address are the Hoover family--a lot Cedar references in the father's obituary and much of the family is brunette. I'll find the screen shot of that address and Bump it in the next comment in case anyone else wants to search out the Nevada, MO angle.

 

[Gardener1850]

I found something interesting as it relates to the Barkers or sort of. Spokeo has a listing for the address 7101 W El Caballo Dr, Boise, ID for a B**** Eelma. Cross referencing that with Family History Search I came up with a Brigit Eelma who lived at that address from June 1, 1997 thru January 1, 2004. The entry right below shows that Brigit Eelma lived in Nevada Missouri from January 1, 2001 thru March 1, 2001. Why that is interesting is because Mrs. Barker was a member of PEO, according to her obituary. PEO has a college in (you guessed it) Nevada Missouri. So, it would seem to me with the help of Mrs. Barker, Brigit took a semester of college at the PEO college. Brigit lived 6 blocks from the college at that time. 12 minutes walking distance.

With that said...did FLEK also attend college there?

The address in MO. If we think FLEK was some kind of exchange student that stayed with the Barkers or had some connection to Mrs. Barker through Cottey College and the PEO maybe she also one lived at this address? To sum up the BE listed above has been found, is married, and has 2 kids. She is Estonian. She briefly lived in MO and she lived in Eugene, OR and Dallas Texas as well. Her husband went to college in Eugene, Oregon and Dallas, Texas and it seems she followed him/went to OR because of an Estonian connection. I'm not sure why she went to Nevada, MO.

 

[Linda9681]

Nope to the California connection. We have NO confirmation she lived there. Annoying and frustrating. She was very good at covering her tracks.


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[Gardener1850]

From one of the recent posts of ancestry records here, I was able to trace that the BST that married the Kevin C. In Nevada later had two children with that last name. And then later had another last name. I think I took a screen shot and will have to look for it later. The other marriage record, someone should try to trace through ancestry. I didn't see anything on that name. I think that mans initials were RWB. I also think someone here attempted to trace him awhile ago, but I don't know if they had access to ancestry.

I found a couple different RWB's who have both died and neither obituary mentions a wife Becky Sue. I think they divorced. Interestingly the one who died most recently was from Missouri.

2104 in Missouri: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/kansascity/obituary.aspx?pid=172814175
205 in Kentucky: http://www.bgdailynews.com/randy-w-blankenship/article_e9332b45-5048-5826-b033-0e4492a4c3c3.html

 

[Gardener1850]

This is a screen shot from Ancestry. I can't find this address associated on familysearch. Note the street of her 1988 address. Cedar. There is another BST in MO 3 hours away that has a longer address history and associated relatives so this could be that BST. FWIW, Independence, MO is in Jackson County.

This website says RWB lived at the Roeland Park, KS address above from 1989-2001 so this connects them and tells us that this BST married RWB from Missouri (2014 obituary listed above).
http://www.familytreenow.com/records/people/blankenship/randy/jl6_pkw55jnob8pp1w08aq

Still no idea what happened to BST-->BSB though. I found a BST with a different married name and it may be her.

 

[Gardener1850]

Hi all, I dip in and out of this case and find it hard to keep up with all the brilliant work you're doing and I'm sure what we see here is just the tip of the iceberg!

I've always wondered why this case has never gone viral, a la Grateful Doe? It would only take one person to come forward to blow it wide open and give us a name, the rest would be easy. Has anyone here (or on Reddit maybe) ever thought about starting a viral campiagn? If nothing else it may nudge the family / Professor to divulge any info they have already.

Interested to hear your thoughts and apologies if this has already been covered.

How do we make it go viral? It was covered by the media in 2013 and there has been no real NEW information to come out since then. If we had even a clue of something concrete that had not been previously discovered (like WHERE she originated prior to Texas) we could run with that and try to use the new info to get it in the news again--maybe contact the Seattle Times for a follow up. But so far I think we have just been spinning wheels...I don't know anything about starting a viral campaign but I'll participate/share on social media if someone else knows how to get that to happen.