TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #4

[Gardener1850]

The scrap of paper seems to suggest local connection. She has the local library, the police dept, apparently an appointment for a photo shoot "these eyes" and the number is an LA commercial photography business, and some of the numbers, including this one, do not include area code for the LA area. All suggesting she is writing most of those notes in LA. She could have been visiting or looking for work. Most people who have looked at it, seem to think it is sometime between 1984-1988. I think this was her pre name change residence.

For all we know she only traveled to the area for a one time photo shoot and possibly took advantage of that trip to go get the BST birth certificate. You know I was thinking more and more about the reasons for having a police number written down. We have to remember that this was prior to Internet, prior to cell phones, prior to phones with pre-dialed numbers, even. You had to write down a number to have it handy or else look it up in the phone book each time. My parents used to leave emergency numbers with the babysitter written on a notepad. It's possible she was going to a photoshoot or other appointment but didn't know if it was on the up and up. So she looked up the police number so she would have it in case of emergency. It's also possible she did a lot of research, wrote down all these numbers and she never got an appointment/never went to California at all. She could have gotten the BST birth certificate in the mail. We just don't KNOW for sure.

 

[mrseeker]

They had 911 in LA by then. But I know what you mean. I lived about that time in a small town out west and 911 was not there. I wrote the number in a permanent place.

Something odd though. Someone was asking about the name change documents and I wonder if her application is in the files somewhere. Isn't it strange that in June of 1988 she gets an Idaho ID then less then a month later she swears to a Dallas judge she is a Dallas County resident. I have no idea how complicated it was to get a name change then, but we are only seeing the judge's order. If you read it, she provided testimony and he is "satisfied from the facts alleged and proven that the applicant resides in the County of Dallas, TX...." wonder what other documents she had proving residency, and what the Idaho ID was for? I would think less than a month is not residency, especially since she just got the Idaho ID. Maybe she was legal forum shopping for the easiest state to change your name back then. Maybe a FOIA request could be made for her application. It would interesting to see what she attached to it as proof.

 

[Gardener1850]

I can't stop following this but I may have reached the end. From the link above there was a BSB and a RBB listed at the address with JB. I found their marriage record from 1980:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VV6L-C17

Plus it looks like their son was born in 1981. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:239X-57K

So this is most likely just another BSB that happened to have a son Justin and lived in Boise, ID. What is curious to me is her last name on the 1980 marriage record. Didn't we have a Christian name brought up somewhere?

Answering my own question about the name Christian. It was a theory from reddit that FLEK could be one of Fred Howder's daughters Windy or Wanda Christian. Here are the links:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...3)-*General-Discussion-and-Theories*-3/page47
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/49me9n/lori_erica_ruff_real_name/

For anyone following this...look for a Rebecca Susan or Becky Sue Chr1st1an and possible connection to the Hwder daughters....I'm actually surprised when I search that name I'm finding very little. I'm wondering if BSC was even her original name.

 

[Gardener1850]

They had 911 in LA by then. But I know what you mean. I lived about that time in a small town out west and 911 was not there. I wrote the number in a permanent place.

Something odd though. Someone was asking about the name change documents and I wonder if her application is in the files somewhere. Isn't it strange that in June of 1988 she gets an Idaho ID then less then a month later she swears to a Dallas judge she is a Dallas County resident. I have no idea how complicated it was to get a name change then, but we are only seeing the judge's order. If you read it, she provided testimony and he is "satisfied from the facts alleged and proven that the applicant resides in the County of Dallas, TX...." wonder what other documents she had proving residency, and what the Idaho ID was for? I would think less than a month is not residency, especially since she just got the Idaho ID. Maybe she was legal forum shopping for the easiest state to change your name back then. Maybe a FOIA request could be made for her application. It would interesting to see what she attached to it as proof.

All very good points! How did she prove residency in Texas? Or did she move to Texas as BST much earlier than we know (1986 or 1987?) and only went to get the birth certificate and Idaho ID later on. Maybe she had a landlord or employer who provided statements proving who she was and that she was a resident?

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Could the photo shoot be for the passport photo? Could she have planned to get the passport way back then? Maybe why there was no real connection for it?

 

[Gardener1850]

Could the photo shoot be for the passport photo? Could she have planned to get the passport way back then? Maybe why there was no real connection for it?

IMO if she was getting a "photo shoot" done for the purpose of an ID, it could be to make a fake ID. IIRC, Velling said the BST ID was real and not a fake ID, but I have wondered if she had a fake BST ID first to get the birth certificate before she got the Idaho ID. How did she prove she was BST when she went to purchase the BC in Kern County, CA?

 

[Gardener1850]

I may have found BSB and now I feel dizzy from the circles I'm running in. According to RWB's obituary he has a son named Justin. I found BSB and JB living in Boise, Idaho!

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K5RY-V8X
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K5RM-KCW

Is this all just coincidence? Her address history for Boise extends to 2001 but I wonder if her son stayed there and her name was just still attached to the address until 2001? Since as mentioned earlier in this thread we can't trust the dates on these public records to be accurate. But after this development I don't know what to think. I'm still trying to find out if there is a real BSB to prove she's not FLEK.

I can't stop following this but I may have reached the end. From the link above there was a BSB and a RBB listed at the address with JB. I found their marriage record from 1980:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VV6L-C17

Plus it looks like their son was born in 1981. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:239X-57K

So this is most likely just another BSB that happened to have a son Justin and lived in Boise, ID. What is curious to me is her last name on the 1980 marriage record. Didn't we have a Christian name brought up somewhere?

This is a screen shot from Ancestry. I can't find this address associated on familysearch. Note the street of her 1988 address. Cedar. There is another BST in MO 3 hours away that has a longer address history and associated relatives so this could be that BST. FWIW, Independence, MO is in Jackson County.

This website says RWB lived at the Roeland Park, KS address above from 1989-2001 so this connects them and tells us that this BST married RWB from Missouri (2014 obituary listed above).
http://www.familytreenow.com/records/people/blankenship/randy/jl6_pkw55jnob8pp1w08aq

Still no idea what happened to BST-->BSB though. I found a BST with a different married name and it may be her.

Is anyone else researching the Blank***** Family? Someone help me make sense of this please. It turns out the son of RWB I mentioned previously WAS born in 1981 after all. I'm not going to post it but I found his marriage record in Texas. His father's obit says he is in Texas, his wife and kid's names are there. He lived in some of the same cities as FLEK (Euless and Bedford) and his wife lived on the same street as FLEK (Harwood Rd) just 6 miles away. I can't figure out if he is the same JB from Idaho...if he is we may be on to something big!

There is a possibility the BST who married RWB was also BSC who married RBB! If you can follow that at all...it looks like she married two men with the same surname almost a decade apart. And had a son from the first marriage in 1981. I need someone to help me find something that disproves this because I think my confirmation bias is getting in the way. I can't find what happened to BST/B and can't find what happened to BSC/B either. It's like they both vanished or have no online presence/records at all. I'm also trying to find the RBB (the first husband she married under the name Christian). Someone throw me a life preserver, please!

Sorry to keep bringing this up but I'm still working this angle and I had an epiphany. We were discussing why she didn't use the BST Idaho ID to get her Texas documents--why get it and not use it? What if the reason she got the BST ID was really so she could leave RBB and marry RWB without divorcing her first husband? Marrying under another name would mean there would be no flag for bigamy. She would legally still be Becky Sue B. and then proceed from there to act as if her maiden name was Turner, not Christian. Maybe RWB was a relative of RBB and helped Becky Sue escape but their marriage was not real? I only found records of them living at the same address in 1989. After that he stays in Missouri and she vaporizes--no trace of her yet that I can find. Does anyone know what the divorce laws were like in Idaho in 1988? How difficult was it back then to divorce if the spouse contested it? This is all my own conjecture at this point because I'm still trying to find any trace of a real Becky Sue B.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Some more interesting tidbits. The other person who lived at the Onyx address is Kwangsook Chung. I haven't looked up any info on her, but I'm guessing....foreign exchange student. Maybe we can tie together all the addresses of these people to possibly other addresses and come up with who FLEK was? Just a thought.

 

[Linda9681]

Some more interesting tidbits. The other person who lived at the Onyx address is Kwangsook Chung. I haven't looked up any info on her, but I'm guessing....foreign exchange student. Maybe we can tie together all the addresses of these people to possibly other addresses and come up with who FLEK was? Just a thought.

Interesting. Look at the bottom right hand corner of the notes page. I have always wondered if she " altered" the notes page to " hide" info. ( like changing a number or letter or adding letters to make a word different that SHE would recognize but not someone who " found" it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[tarheelslim]

Yes they hired an investigator to find out who she was but I've never heard of them asking for the public's help in identifying her and according to people who have spoken with Blake's family they do not want to pursue her identity any further nor do they want it in the media. I have followed this case from the first time it was reported about in the Seattle Times and I have NEVER read any article where the family participated in interviews, so I'm not sure what interviews you are referring to.

Then you need to read this article again - much of it was based around interviews with Blake's mom, his brother-in-law, and Blake himself:

http://old.seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2021243552_janedoexml.html

And it concludes:

Meanwhile, the Ruffs are wondering, too. They want to solve the mystery. At the very least, they want to be able to tell Blake and Lori’s daughter who her mother was. Yet they worry they’ll find out something terrible, something they wish they had never known.

They feared the outcome, yet they were still (publicly) pursuing finding out who she was.

I wouldn't be surprised if they have decided they want to distance themselves from this in the intervening 3 years, but I haven't seen the proof yet.

I've been reading the LEK threads for years so I know what the popular narratives on the Ruff family are here - I just haven't seen any evidence that they're true.

 

[Gardener1850]

Minor point of interest: I'm pretty sure I found Becky Sue C***'s parents. Her mother worked as telephone operator for PT&TCO in Modesto, CA in 1950. They moved to Boise, Idaho by 1960. The last address I can find for Becky Sue B in Idaho that is NOT associated with her husband's name is her parent's address in 1992.

ETA: and I just found her father's WWII Draft record. He was born in Arizona!

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8BD-7YY

 

[Gardener1850]

In 1920, Becky Sue C's father was in Jones County, Texas: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC9D-8S2

On Ancestry there is someone with his same name/same age in a yearbook in College Place, Washington in 1938.

He died in 1978 in Boise.

 

[HerStory]

Thinking out loud, gut instinct...... I personally don't think that 'Cedar' is as significant as people think. If she was attempting to shed one identity, she would likely not associate an old street, city, high school or anything. I think that whatever FLEK had left behind in her past, she had no desire to have it resurface. I personally think Cedar was the name of a pet or something.

 

[Gardener1850]

Thinking out loud, gut instinct...... I personally don't think that 'Cedar' is as significant as people think. If she was attempting to shed one identity, she would likely not associate an old street, city, high school or anything. I think that whatever FLEK had left behind in her past, she had no desire to have it resurface. I personally think Cedar was the name of a pet or something.

The only reason I think cedar might be significant is because it was her password. It wasn't a word written on a page anyone could find or a public username on a message board. It's the only secret of hers we know the answer to with any certainty. It is vague enough to refer to anything so she would not fear it pointing to her past if she had to share it with someone. I agree it probably won't point to her past, but when we find out who she was we may very well find out why she used cedar as a password, IMO.

 

[lgr]

A couple of pages earlier in this thread, I think someone traces a BST to a "Bogus Basin" address in ID. Then Linda posted a page that I think was from FLEK's resume, containing her references. Two of her references had addresses on "Bogus Basin" (I apologize if I got the "Basin" part of the street name wrong. This coincidence is exciting. I think her references had to be accurate at some point in time, meaning there had to be somebody at least at those phone numbers to say they knew FLEK. That, and the fact that BST is attached to the street name too, is a point at which BST and FLEK cross paths.

 

[Gardener1850]

Can anyone tell me if there was a Bowens or Bowers surname connected to the Turners or H0wders? I tried searching the threads but came up with nothing. TIA!

 

[sloane7777]

Can anyone tell me if there was a Bowens or Bowers surname connected to the Turners or H0wders? I tried searching the threads but came up with nothing. TIA!

I don't know but I have a ton of Bowen 's (family) in Washington state!

 

[creepedout]

Igr, I looked in the photos thread at the resume, apparently that isn't the one being referenced here. Could you point to this file where it references Bogus Basin?

Here is the family search result that shows (apparently) her at this address:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJPH-72PT

 

[Gardener1850]

I finally found social media for both Justin B's. So for anyone wondering/following this the one in Idaho and the one in Texas are not the same person, although they have birth dates 2 days apart. One is married to Stephanie and one is married to Paige. Though they are two different people they look like they could be brothers--they have the same facial hair. It really tripped me out! Nevertheless, I think I can put to bed all efforts to connect the two Becki Sue B*'s. I can't find the one in Idaho but it doesn't matter. I still think it is possible/likely the BST who married RWB was our FLEK. Also possible she knew there was another BSB in Boise and used that to her advantage. I'm going back to chasing down the Cedar address and anything else I can find about RWB--he must have had a wife or girlfriend prior to BST that he had his son with. I still think it's a huge coincidence that RWB's son lives near where FLEK lived and died.

 

[Linda9681]

Can anyone tell me if there was a Bowens or Bowers surname connected to the Turners or H0wders? I tried searching the threads but came up with nothing. TIA!

There is a Butler. I am asking my resource now..


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk