TX - 'Lori Ruff', Longview, WhtFem UP9863, *General Discussion and Theories* #5

[SideKick]

hi folks, it's been ages... Just putting this here for reference
However, she was Lori Kennedy in 88.


Becky Sue Turner
United States Public Records
Name Becky Sue Turner
Residence Date 01 Jun 1997-01 Jun 2001
Residence Place Boise, Idaho, United States
Birth Date 18 Jul 1969
Address 7101 El Caballo Dr
Address Continued Boise, Idaho 83704
Record Number 673671435
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ62-3YTX

 

[newfiedee]

August 11, 2016 16:11 the changes ere made to Lori's case i submitted the possible match on august 10th

 

[BigCityAccountant]

August 11, 2016 16:11 the changes ere made to Lori's case i submitted the possible match on august 10th

Someone posted up thread it had been updated....nothing yet on Doss or Mulcahy...

What I did find interesting is the year of birth prior to Mona being submitted....1953-1962. Then the odd one Mona at 1967. That tells me investigators believe her to be 48-57 years old when she passed away.

 

[mrseeker]

anyone think this one is worth considering? http://www.nampn.org/cases/meeker_angela.html

 

[Gardener1850]

hi folks, it's been ages... Just putting this here for reference
However, she was Lori Kennedy in 88.


Becky Sue Turner
United States Public Records
Name Becky Sue Turner
Residence Date 01 Jun 1997-01 Jun 2001
Residence Place Boise, Idaho, United States
Birth Date 18 Jul 1969
Address 7101 El Caballo Dr
Address Continued Boise, Idaho 83704
Record Number 673671435
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ62-3YTX

We've discussed that record before, but thanks for bringing it back up. No one can explain why the address she used on her 1988 Idaho ID is dated 1997-2001 in the public address history. The only thing we have come up with is that the address history dates are not always correct. Several of us looked up our own family member's address history and found errors.

Let's say for a minute it is correct and there was something to tie her to that address from 1997-2001. What could that be? Money in an unclaimed account that was reported in 1997 and claimed in 2001? 97-01 is roughly the amount of time it would take to go through either high school or to college. Could someone else have used the BST name and that address as well in 97 to go to school in Boise? Student loan forms? FLEK filled her FASFA out in 96/97 and made no mention of Idaho or that address but what if she let a friend borrow her BST ID or someone else borrowed it?
Another random thought--would it be possible for Lori to use that BST ID to get credit cards in the name of BST in Idaho and run them up? LEK had just gone through bankruptcy in 1997. She worked and paid off the bankruptcy settlement ahead of time--which always seemed hinky to me. We have her employment history from that time and if her resume lists all the jobs she had (i.e IF she wasn't getting paid under the table for something else) then she probably wasn't making big bucks at the little contract jobs she took for 6 months-a year. Could she have somehow gotten away with a CC scam for 4-5 years, having the bills sent to Idaho? She never connected the Idaho address to her new ID in Texas as far as we can tell. If she managed to get a CC in BST's name sent to that address then how would the banks find her to get payment? By 2001, many cc's could be paid online so she might have made very minimum payments form Texas or even gotten one of those deals where you pay no payment/no interest for X number of years. Those types of cc offers were everywhere prior to the big market drop 2008/2009. It used to be much easier for people to run up a big cc bill without making even a minimum payment. IDK, I'm just throwing out suggestions to explain the this weird address date.
Someone a few pages back expressed an interest in seeing LEK's credit report but would a credit report for LEK even show anything done in the name of BST?

 

[Gardener1850]

anyone think this one is worth considering? http://www.nampn.org/cases/meeker_angela.html

I had her on my list of ones to look into but I dismissed/put on the back burner because of the blonde hair and 5'2" height. Though her hair does not look blonde at all in her pictures IMO. I figure if someone is listed as 5' 5"-5' 6" that is average height and might have been an estimated height if family was uncertain but if someone is listed at 5' 2" (and not a young teen) it's harder to argue her height was uncertain, IMO. Only thing you could argue was a misprint if you found pictures where she looked tall. 5'2" is quite petite.

 

[mrseeker]

I had her on my list of ones to look into but I dismissed/put on the back burner because of the blonde hair and 5'2" height. Though her hair does not look blonde at all in her pictures IMO. I figure if someone is listed as 5' 5"-5' 6" that is average height and might have been an estimated height if family was uncertain but if someone is listed at 5' 2" (and not a young teen) it's harder to argue her height was uncertain, IMO. Only thing you could argue was a misprint if you found pictures where she looked tall. 5'2" is quite petite.

She was only 13 when she disappeared. could a girl at 13 grow 7-8 inches? Does anyone know? I have seen her hair described as blond, brown, and even strawberry...so not sure. i just see something in her face. Probably nothing.

 

[Gardener1850]

She was only 13 when she disappeared. could a girl at 13 grow 7-8 inches? Does anyone know? I have seen her hair described as blond, brown, and even strawberry...so not sure. i just see something in her face. Probably nothing.

It's possible I suppose. I reached my full height by the time I was a freshman in HS (age 13-14) but I had friends who shot up suddenly during their HS years.

 

[newfiedee]

We've discussed that record before, but thanks for bringing it back up. No one can explain why the address she used on her 1988 Idaho ID is dated 1997-2001 in the public address history. The only thing we have come up with is that the address history dates are not always correct. Several of us looked up our own family member's address history and found errors.

Let's say for a minute it is correct and there was something to tie her to that address from 1997-2001. What could that be? Money in an unclaimed account that was reported in 1997 and claimed in 2001? 97-01 is roughly the amount of time it would take to go through either high school or to college. Could someone else have used the BST name and that address as well in 97 to go to school in Boise? Student loan forms? FLEK filled her FASFA out in 96/97 and made no mention of Idaho or that address but what if she let a friend borrow her BST ID or someone else borrowed it?
Another random thought--would it be possible for Lori to use that BST ID to get credit cards in the name of BST in Idaho and run them up? LEK had just gone through bankruptcy in 1997. She worked and paid off the bankruptcy settlement ahead of time--which always seemed hinky to me. We have her employment history from that time and if her resume lists all the jobs she had (i.e IF she wasn't getting paid under the table for something else) then she probably wasn't making big bucks at the little contract jobs she took for 6 months-a year. Could she have somehow gotten away with a CC scam for 4-5 years, having the bills sent to Idaho? She never connected the Idaho address to her new ID in Texas as far as we can tell. If she managed to get a CC in BST's name sent to that address then how would the banks find her to get payment? By 2001, many cc's could be paid online so she might have made very minimum payments form Texas or even gotten one of those deals where you pay no payment/no interest for X number of years. Those types of cc offers were everywhere prior to the big market drop 2008/2009. It used to be much easier for people to run up a big cc bill without making even a minimum payment. IDK, I'm just throwing out suggestions to explain the this weird address date.
Someone a few pages back expressed an interest in seeing LEK's credit report but would a credit report for LEK even show anything done in the name of BST?

maybe it was for fowarding mail to the nevada box

 

[Linda9681]

I haven't given up, but I had to slow way down due to summer/family obligations.

I hope this isn't too much info, if so, moderators, please help me. I tried hard to keep it to a minimum.

I was pointed in the direction of someone who is a friend of the Hwdr clan. Her initials are WB. Her first name is the same as one of the Hwdr fam, as in the 60s pop tune by The Association, "everyone knows it's ____" ������ Last name is a common English surname-- a male servant is called a ___ ? Not valet WB has 3 sisters (initials are for the names they use on FB):
CM--the oldest sister. She resembles LEK, and has hands like hers too. She has always lived in Texas. She is in her 40s.
DMB-- next oldest. Does not resemble LEK. She went to HS in one of the HWDR-related towns in E WA, and still lives close to there. She is 10 years older than WB.
TJ-- (same name as TT's eldest surviving daughter, TJ, but spelled differently) she is from TX, but now lives in E WA in the same town as as DMB. Along with WB, she was in foster care in UT with an LDS family.
WB-- she lives in E WA in the same town as the Hwdr fam. She knows them. She is LDS.
Some or all are half sisters, who didn't consistently live together whilst growing up. Their mother's name is CBM-- born in 1957. She resembles LEK. CBM is from TX originally, but was living and died (in 2012) in an E WA town, that is a HWDR fam town too. I couldn't get a good look at her hands as they were not visible in pictures, but CBM's mother had hands like LEK. CBM had her first daughter, CM, young-- 18 if I recall correctly. Here's where things get interesting-- one of CBM's daughters mentioned in a post about adoption that they were missing a sister. So there is a 4th child somewhere. Granted, CBM would have had to be very young to have given birth to LEK and given her up for adoption, but if LEK is actually on the younger end of the age range, it is possible.

I have been reticent about contacting the sisters because I am not sure if anyone has been working this lead already? Don't want to bug them any more than is necessary. Also, I am not really able to organize and take notes right now, so If anyone else is interested in scouring online sources, that would be great!

I have seen the pics and poster is right... The resemblance is VERY strong , even with WBs daughter( who is around the same age as FLEKs). I was amazed at how much they all resemble FLEK. Even the hands!!!!!!!!! This is a very strong lead.


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[mrseeker]

We've discussed that record before, but thanks for bringing it back up. No one can explain why the address she used on her 1988 Idaho ID is dated 1997-2001 in the public address history. The only thing we have come up with is that the address history dates are not always correct. Several of us looked up our own family member's address history and found errors.

Let's say for a minute it is correct and there was something to tie her to that address from 1997-2001. What could that be? Money in an unclaimed account that was reported in 1997 and claimed in 2001? 97-01 is roughly the amount of time it would take to go through either high school or to college. Could someone else have used the BST name and that address as well in 97 to go to school in Boise? Student loan forms? FLEK filled her FASFA out in 96/97 and made no mention of Idaho or that address but what if she let a friend borrow her BST ID or someone else borrowed it?
Another random thought--would it be possible for Lori to use that BST ID to get credit cards in the name of BST in Idaho and run them up? LEK had just gone through bankruptcy in 1997. She worked and paid off the bankruptcy settlement ahead of time--which always seemed hinky to me. We have her employment history from that time and if her resume lists all the jobs she had (i.e IF she wasn't getting paid under the table for something else) then she probably wasn't making big bucks at the little contract jobs she took for 6 months-a year. Could she have somehow gotten away with a CC scam for 4-5 years, having the bills sent to Idaho? She never connected the Idaho address to her new ID in Texas as far as we can tell. If she managed to get a CC in BST's name sent to that address then how would the banks find her to get payment? By 2001, many cc's could be paid online so she might have made very minimum payments form Texas or even gotten one of those deals where you pay no payment/no interest for X number of years. Those types of cc offers were everywhere prior to the big market drop 2008/2009. It used to be much easier for people to run up a big cc bill without making even a minimum payment. IDK, I'm just throwing out suggestions to explain the this weird address date.
Someone a few pages back expressed an interest in seeing LEK's credit report but would a credit report for LEK even show anything done in the name of BST?

She got that Idaho Id for a reason. I thought it might be for travel. But your thoughts are as good or better than mine. Maybe she figured a way to make a quick buck or run up charges on BST. I keep thinking of that Idaho property that somehow is linked to that unrelated BST W...in Texas. I remember back then, you could walk in a store and get instant credit...it is true now too, but it was true in 1988 as well. Maybe she hit some stores back then...and the fictitious BST never got the bills. Wonder, wonder if BSTW in texas ever got calls from debt collectors?

i added this...would be interesting to know if any pawn shops in Boise or vegas or dallas or anywhere in between had any tickets for a BST.

 

[newfiedee]

Just found the for the 810 mailbox in euless
http://www.charityblossom.org/nonprofit/awakening-ministries-euless-tx-76039-061740703/

 

[Linda9681]

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[Linda9681]

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[Gardener1850]

BigCityAccount and I have already been looking up that ministry and JRC's family. BCA found it a couple weeks ago. JRC has a sister that married a B@rk3r. I traced her husband's family back 3 generations and they have no connection to the B@rk3rs that lived at FLEK's Idaho address. Just FYI, I think it's a dead end.

Maybe FLEK was from smuggled in from Zimbabwe and that's why no one knows who she was. :floorlaugh:

 

[Linda9681]

Wife looks " familiar". She " likes" a religious tea group!

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[Linda9681]

Someone found this connection like two years ago, I remember seeing his Facebook before. I had totally forgot about it.


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[Gardener1850]

She got that Idaho Id for a reason. I thought it might be for travel. But your thoughts are as good or better than mine. Maybe she figured a way to make a quick buck or run up charges on BST. I keep thinking of that Idaho property that somehow is linked to that unrelated BST W...in Texas. I remember back then, you could walk in a store and get instant credit...it is true now too, but it was true in 1988 as well. Maybe she hit some stores back then...and the fictitious BST never got the bills. Wonder, wonder if BSTW in texas ever got calls from debt collectors?


i added this...would be interesting to know if any pawn shops in Boise or vegas or dallas or anywhere in between had any tickets for a BST.

Are there any seasonal jobs in Idaho that she could have gone to work at under the name of BST? The unclaimed property was reported in 2008. So IF she went to Idaho for some jobs between 1997-2001 maybe she never picked up her last paycheck? Maybe it took 7 years to get reported? Could she have put down Texas as her home state but not an exact address and the State of Idaho looked for a BST and just assumed the real BST in Texas was FLEK? Would they do that?

Another question is, was the ID even still good in 1997-2001 or did she get it renewed and destroy the newer ID sometime before her death? Surely the Idaho DMV checked for a license renewal, right?

 

[mrseeker]

Are there any seasonal jobs in Idaho that she could have gone to work at under the name of BST? The unclaimed property was reported in 2008. So IF she went to Idaho for some jobs between 1997-2001 maybe she never picked up her last paycheck? Maybe it took 7 years to get reported? Could she have put down Texas as her home state but not an exact address and the State of Idaho looked for a BST and just assumed the real BST in Texas was FLEK? Would they do that?

Another question is, was the ID even still good in 1997-2001 or did she get it renewed and destroy the newer ID sometime before her death? Surely the Idaho DMV checked for a license renewal, right?

I just wonder why she needed this Idaho ID. As you pointed out, maybe it was to get some money under this false name. We know she got the birth cert in May, then the ID in Idaho in June. Then 3 weeks later she is changing her name in Dallas. What if she just wanted to test her new identity and get the Idaho ID? Or maybe she got some job as you suggested and left for dallas for some reason before getting her last check. This is why I think Idaho is the most important location. Either she was living near or she was living in Boise. I wish we knew where that birth certificate was mailed. I am guessing near Boise. I have brought up this before. The bus route from boise ID to Dallas or even Phoenix currently, goes through Boulder City NV. I would think no reason it would have been different in 1988. I also remember looking for a PO Box place in Boulder City and there is one that was in business in 1988 near the Greyhound bus station. The question might be, did she take a bus from Boise to Dallas once, or did she go from Dallas to Boise and back again? It's just a thought. But having lived a few miles from Boulder City not too many years later than 1988, I have to wonder why did she pick this little town to forward her mail?

 

[Gardener1850]

I just wonder why she needed this Idaho ID. As you pointed out, maybe it was to get some money under this false name. We know she got the birth cert in May, then the ID in Idaho in June. Then 3 weeks later she is changing her name in Dallas. What if she just wanted to test her new identity and get the Idaho ID? Or maybe she got some job as you suggested and left for dallas for some reason before getting her last check. This is why I think Idaho is the most important location. Either she was living near or she was living in Boise. I wish we knew where that birth certificate was mailed. I am guessing near Boise. I have brought up this before. The bus route from boise ID to Dallas or even Phoenix currently, goes through Boulder City NV. I would think no reason it would have been different in 1988. I also remember looking for a PO Box place in Boulder City and there is one that was in business in 1988 near the Greyhound bus station. The question might be, did she take a bus from Boise to Dallas once, or did she go from Dallas to Boise and back again? It's just a thought. But having lived a few miles from Boulder City not too many years later than 1988, I have to wonder why did she pick this little town to forward her mail?

IF she traveled back and forth frequently maybe it was a good mid-way stop?
Easy to pick up the mail when the Greyhound Bus stopped for a passenger break?
Or maybe she had a traveling job working in the surrounding states and that was just a good location to get her mail? Darknagel suggested she was in Jobcorps and I think that's pretty good idea. Were there any circuses or carnivals that traveled those western states (Boulder City is centrally located for reaching CA, NV, UT, and AZ but WA, OR and ID are not for away either).