TX - Mass Shooting at Fort Hood, 5 November 2009 #1

[scandi]

I had a frank discussion with my hubby, and I'll try to dictate the bullet points without his language LOL!

His feeling is that he didn't want to go kill his Islam "brothers." He experienced harrassment from his military "brothers." He was unaware of his MO over there, that it woulda been like my cousin, not direct combat but yet other horrors of war. He thinks his botherhood was more connected to Islam and less to the military. I had a hard time believing this, if he were to be in the military for 20 years. He said as a psychiatrist and listening to the horrors of war of late, maybe he changed his mind and then entered into Islam religion. He wanted to protect his past. He went crazy and took it out on Americans. He said he's a and he shoulda died.

That's the abbreviated version... but food for thought, as he brought up some points...

Thanks Gibby for that post and be sure to give your hubby a big hug from me.

The first line was a jaw dropper for mje as I had never thought abnout that. Sitting here listening to Anderson Cooper I wanted to say, 'Hey Anderson, read Gibby's post!' LOL They were trying to figure out why this guy suddenly went loco and they never even hit on your hubby's thought. xox

 

[not_my_kids]

I will know more on one of them tomorrow, I just couldn't get through to his family on the phone. The other, I think I may have to wait for a public list.
I'm sorry, I hope anyone didn't think I was being ghoulish, popping up and asking that way, I am just worried.
I'm praying for everyone there, and for their families and friends.
I could only check one through the safe and well list, not listed, but there are a lot not listed, so I can't worry too much yet.

I'll go back to lurk now.

 

[gibby207]

Thanks Gibby for that post and be sure to give your hubby a big hug from me.

The first line was a jaw dropper for mje as I had never thought abnout that. Sitting here listening to Anderson Cooper I wanted to say, 'Hey Anderson, read Gibby's post!' LOL They were trying to figure out why this guy suddenly went loco and they never even hit on your hubby's thought. xox

I thought so too, I mean... I'm a WS'er... He's not (hubby). But he had some really valid points tonight, and I kinda stepped back a little. LOL

Anderson's purdy cute tho! (I know he's gay but jeez... he's still hot... LOL)

 

[LadyL]

and what a better time to go thru with his plan... at the PDP for his unit! What a piece of sh#t this man was! Go AWOL to Canada! Just drive off! Kill yourself or shoot yourself in the dammm foot but WHY take out everyone else?

[BBM]

:waitasec:

no thanks we have enough of our own crazies here

 

[jnTexas]

http://www.khou.com/news/Reports-11-dead-in-mass-shooting-at-Fort-Hood-69310282.html

Lisa Pfund of Random Lake, Wis., says her daughter, 19-year-old Amber Bahr, was shot in the stomach but was in stable condition. “We know nothing, just that she was shot in the belly,” Pfund told The Associated Press. She couldn’t provide more details and only spoke with emergency personnel.
Pfund said Bahr joined the reserves when she was 17 to earn money for school and loved being in the military even though none of her friends were interested in joining the Army.

 

[redmeli]

In my gut I agree with you very much. We need to be vigilant. Living in Manhattan I'd consider myself borderline paranoid at times- more than a few times I've gotten a bad feeling on a subway and just got off and walked. Nothing ever happened, but I tell myself I'd rather be wrong and irrational than right but dead.

I think you are so wise to be observant. I think myself paranoid at times, too. But, I remember a night, in the late 80's, being at a night club with my friend, and we both noticed simultaneously these Middle-Eastern looking guys sitting outside the club, very quietly but intently observing the goings-on of the people in the club. They were just a little too serious and observant for a social setting. It was actually in B'Burg, at VT, that this happened. Now, I am a VT alum, and very protective of my alma mater, but, the fact is that VT is a huge research hub with a fairly large population of foreign students, so they theoretically blend in there. Also, the university is about 10 miles from the Radford Arsenal, now called Alliant Tech Systems. They manufacture explosives and ammo for the military, and I believe one of the largest domestic suppliers, or were at that time. So, my friend and I, at that time, discussed it, and concurred that the Middle Eastern guys were there for some surveillance reasons. It left us both very uneasy. And that was well BEFORE 9/11.

The only problem with the military aspect of this is that we desperately need translators that speak Arabic. IMO the state department at least is a little more lenient with hiring if you speak a Middle Eastern language- but what other option do we have? Personally I think the military should offer active service members a year of paid leave to learn to speak arabic- either through a university or some program. That way we would have born & bred U.S. soldiers who could serve as translaters rather than relying on locals in these countries - who may not have the U.S.'s best interests at heart. JMO

Oh, I fully agree about the need for translators and trained intelligence personnel in the military, and want to believe our government is seriously pursuing these avenues. But, in my previous post about military recruits, I was talking about off-the-street enlisted people. 18 year olds who for no reason enlisted in the military but changed their names from Amy Jones to Amy Al *such and such Islamic sounding names. They were usually of ethnic origin and had attitudes to go with their new names. They just appeared to be on a mission, as if they had been "recruited" into some kind of movement, and the military was their MO. They were usually the ones trying to sleep with the drill sergeants. Very interesting dynamic going on there. Just my observation. I also knew another woman, a civilian, who married a Muslim/Islamic who ran a pizza joint in our small town. He insisted she convert to Islam. She later revealed to a friend that the "pizza guys" were smuggling weapons into and out of the country in crates of ethnic food. She was terrified of them. I just think we are all terribly naive to not understand that these people are all around us and ready to act at any moment.

 

[jnTexas]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6705518.html

Though he had not yet learned the identity of the suspects, Killeen bicycle shop worker Wes Neveu said the shooting didn't surprise him not when soldiers are constantly coming in and out of combat.

``Cmon, you send these guys over there, for 13, 16 months, you let them come home for three months, six months, and send them right back,'' said Neveu, a veteran himself, who survived a shooting in a mess hall while he was stationed in Germany years ago. ``For the past two or three years, all these guys have known is getting shot at or shooting other people.''

Pinto agreed.

``They're not getting enough counseling. They're just throwing them back into society, and I don't think they're getting all the help they need. Then they wait six months, and they send him back again,'' Pinto said. ``I think it's just too much, too much for the families, too much for the soldiers.''

 

[LadyL]

This reminds me of a school shooting. There were all these signs that this guy was going off the deep end and nothing was done about it. Kay Bailey Hutchinson said she was briefed that he shot specific people.

As I posted earlier, he was part of a Homeland Security Task Force last year identifying security priorities. So ironic. Supposedly federal law enforcement was looking at his because of blog postings he had made. You can see one made 5 months ago here:http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:bEPoYtNTdx0J:www.scribd.com/doc/3989813/Martyrdom-in-Islam-Versus-Suicide-Bombing+%22To+say+that+this+soldier+committed+suicide+is+inappropriate.+Its+more+appropriate+to+say%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I'm very much against the death penalty and hope he doesn't face it but that's just my opinion.

[BBM]

that's not him, unless he someone else is posting as him, since that person posted there about 44 minutes ago

[ETA]

I think today's postings were a troll under his name - sorry for confusion

 

[shadowangel]

Considering the large number killed and wounded, with only one shooter...I wonder if there were 'friendly fire' injuries involved here.

 

[gibby207]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6705518.html

Though he had not yet learned the identity of the suspects, Killeen bicycle shop worker Wes Neveu said the shooting didn't surprise him not when soldiers are constantly coming in and out of combat.

``Cmon, you send these guys over there, for 13, 16 months, you let them come home for three months, six months, and send them right back,'' said Neveu, a veteran himself, who survived a shooting in a mess hall while he was stationed in Germany years ago. ``For the past two or three years, all these guys have known is getting shot at or shooting other people.''

Pinto agreed.

``They're not getting enough counseling. They're just throwing them back into society, and I don't think they're getting all the help they need. Then they wait six months, and they send him back again,'' Pinto said. ``I think it's just too much, too much for the families, too much for the soldiers.''

Sigh.... It's so true. Not just this war, but wars past as well. VA system is overwhelmed, underfunded. Veterans' needs are unheard. They are literally lost after they serve our country. It is TOO much....

 

[gibby207]

Considering the large number killed and wounded, with only one shooter...I wonder if there were 'friendly fire' injuries involved here.

You know, I don't discount that as well. I'm hearing the trajectory of the bullets points to 1 person, but I wonder just HOW MANY people opened up on him... Not enough, IMO. Not to their detriment, but I wish that man was dead. (sorry to say)

 

[momtective]

I give up on Google...is there a victim list?

Haven't seen one yet.

 

[jjenny]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6705518.html

Though he had not yet learned the identity of the suspects, Killeen bicycle shop worker Wes Neveu said the shooting didn't surprise him not when soldiers are constantly coming in and out of combat.

``Cmon, you send these guys over there, for 13, 16 months, you let them come home for three months, six months, and send them right back,'' said Neveu, a veteran himself, who survived a shooting in a mess hall while he was stationed in Germany years ago. ``For the past two or three years, all these guys have known is getting shot at or shooting other people.''

Pinto agreed.

``They're not getting enough counseling. They're just throwing them back into society, and I don't think they're getting all the help they need. Then they wait six months, and they send him back again,'' Pinto said. ``I think it's just too much, too much for the families, too much for the soldiers.''

I don't think that applies here. Was the shooter ever in combat?

 

[redmeli]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6705518.html

``They're not getting enough counseling. They're just throwing them back into society, and I don't think they're getting all the help they need. Then they wait six months, and they send him back again,'' Pinto said. ``I think it's just too much, too much for the families, too much for the soldiers.''

I agree. The welfare of our soldiers is an afterthought in these foreign wars. I believe we can accomplish very little fighting over there. The real fight is in protecting our own, here. I think the soldier's psyche could accept that much better than sacrificing for people who aren't willing to save themselves. Infighting is a way of life there, it won't change. We can, however, seal our borders, purge ourselves of the infiltrators, and have some hope that they will resolve their own differences or die trying.

 

[momtective]

I don't think that applies here. Was the shooter ever in combat?

Reported earlier...this would have been his first deployment to Iraq.

 

[danni]

Sigh.... It's so true. Not just this war, but wars past as well. VA system is overwhelmed, underfunded. Veterans' needs are unheard. They are literally lost after they serve our country. It is TOO much....

AMEN!!!!

Many of our vets young and old are getting SCR3W3D! and its sad.

Thank God for private insurance or my husband would probably be dead!

 

[Muffet]

I don't think that applies here. Was the shooter ever in combat?

No, and the persistent efforts of his family and others to cloud the issue with talk about PTSD and harassment is beyond offensive to me and the marine I've been on the phone with for the last hour. (He spent a year in Fallujah - he knows.)

I have too many family and friends in the military to sit and watch good soldiers blamed or true PTSD suffering ones compared to this man or what he did.

CNN just reported about another acquaintance of his, saying he told them he was upset about being deployed because he would have to fight fellow Muslims. That is what this is about, and ignoring that uncomfortable fact is what got 43 poor soldiers dead and wounded.

ETA: jnTexas - I know you didn't write that or mean to claim it was the case. :hug: I'm ranting at all the excuses I've been hearing and seeing all over the place.

 

[jjenny]

Reported earlier...this would have been his first deployment to Iraq.

So what PTSD could he possibly have?
Excuses, excuses.

 

[momtective]

Okay, maybe I'm just way too suspicious...but could someone else please read this article and tell me if anything just jumps out at you.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6705518.html
What the h3ll is really going on here!

 

[danni]

"There was no official word on motive. Hasan had transferred to Fort Hood in July from Walter Reed Medical Center, where he received a poor performance evaluation, according to an official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly."

Send him to Ft. Hood because he isn't up to par aat WRMC, they can deal with him down there!

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