TX - Mass Shooting at Fort Hood, 5 November 2009 #2 *Guilty*

  • #101
Our "stupidity" does not jibe with our rise to the most prosperous nation on earth. They don't mind our "stupidity" or military when they need to be bailed out (cough France..) Our "stupidity" cannot be blamed for allowing the rise of Islamic extremism to hijack a religion.....

And with all the intelligence we did not see this coming??? :waitasec: I doubt it.
and it is going on for how long now? :waitasec:
yes it is going on for many, many decades.

But do I believe that we wanted to stop the extremists "NO" we only created a hot bed for them.
They always say look at your results and you will see what your plan was.
I believe the Bush family is devoted to WAR and thinks as long as we have a war we have an economy.
If there was any other reason they would not have lied their azzes off to clearance to go to war.
As they say "Results are your Guru".
So since they did have a blue print of what had happened with Russia, for over 10 years.
The US spread themselves way to thin by going into TWO wars simultaneously with professional
bombers, (terrorists) who know the Turin, and the caves and we do not. Nor did we have real cause.
I cant see that stopping any extremists was a goal, Or we would have compleated in Afganistan first and not taken our eyes off that ball.
I can only see depleting our resources to align with the "New World Order" as the real reason.
 
  • #102
It is a land battle - they want Israel (Jerusalem). We protect Israel.
Christians want to protect the birthplace and history of the Judeo-Christian faith. It is a religious war.

IMO only. My faith is in Jesus Christ.
 
  • #103
I do not know who is smart enough to answer your questions I am NOT. but I will try using another color right into your post. I can say that after reading a lot, 9/11 was not what our Government wants us to think it was. So we are pretty gullible, does not constitute smart. We are now no better then sheep. JMHO but we do think that our vote means something LOL

I'm not smart enough to answer my questions either! Just food for thought is all and the best I can come up with for the way I feel.

Regarding others being rude - I know we can't stop people from being rude and I know they may not care, but I thought since others may read here, I'd say it. It's a global world now and we need to unite among allies versus pick on one another imo. There are bigger fish to fry.

Russia had different reasons than we do.

Vote for term limits and I'm not sure about all the other issues but I'm feeling that we are getting pretty divided as a nation, and divided we fall. Freedom yes but freedom for the right things - it was never meant to mean that anything and everything goes. And we were not supposed to become a landing place for welfare - the USA is not called land of where everything is free - you're supposed to have an idea of what to do and then you are free to do it. Too much Government, too many taxes = hindrance.

Desert Island anyone? If you don't laugh, you'll cry.
I'm depressed over this terrorism attack at Fort Hood.
 
  • #104
I'm not smart enough to answer my questions either! Just food for thought is all and the best I can come up with for the way I feel.

Regarding others being rude - I know we can't stop people from being rude and I know they may not care, but I thought since others may read here, I'd say it. It's a global world now and we need to unite among allies versus pick on one another imo. There are bigger fish to fry.

Russia had different reasons than we do.

Vote for term limits and I'm not sure about all the other issues but I'm feeling that we are getting pretty divided as a nation, and divided we fall. Freedom yes but freedom for the right things - it was never meant to mean that anything and everything goes. And we were not supposed to become a landing place for welfare - the USA is not called land of where everything is free - you're supposed to have an idea of what to do and then you are free to do it. Too much Government, too many taxes = hindrance.

Desert Island anyone? If you don't laugh, you'll cry.
I'm depressed over this terrorism attack at Fort Hood.
I too am depressed about it. It did not have to happen, but our people watched the red flags and did nothing. Where are their set of *alls? How dare they see the red flags and do nothing? :banghead:
But I am also angry because other terrorists are planted in our Armed forces. I did read that and they did boast about it... I do wish I had kept that article. I do think we have to get them out of our armed services NOW...All the rest of the BS about how we are or shouldn't judge anyone is all BS in these dangerous times.
 
  • #105
It is a land battle - they want Israel (Jerusalem). We protect Israel.
Christians want to protect the birthplace and history of the Judeo-Christian faith. It is a religious war.

IMO only. My faith is in Jesus Christ.
Yes they say it is about Jerusalem...
But then they also say they will kill every single infidel.
NOW that is not about Jerusalem, it is about anyone who is not Muslim.
So.... they are not only interested in Jerusalem. THEY LIE A LOT, that is just an excuse because if they were to get Jerusalem which they wont....Then you and I are next in line.
The 10 commandments say thou shall not lie. There is never a time when God said kill anyone.
They are not about any God, or any of Gods commandments at all. POWER is all they really want.
 
  • #106
From an email forwarded to me & especially poingant as our country honors the veterans: .

This past Thursday 13 American Soldiers were killed and another 30 wounded at a horrific mass shooting at US Army installation, Ft Hood Texas. As I watched in horror and then anger I recalled my two years of final service in the Army as a Battalion Commander at Ft Hood, 2002-2004.

My wife and two daughters were stunned at the incident having lived on the post in family housing.

A military installation, whether it is Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, or Coast Guard, is supposed to be a safe sanctuary for our Warriors and their families. It is intended to provide a home whereby our Band of Brothers and Sisters can find solace and bond beyond just the foxhole but as family units.

A military installation is supposed to be a place where our Warriors train for war, to serve and protect our Nation.

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America, an Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact that there are some who have now created an entire new classification called; pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is unconscionable.

This is not a man caused disaster. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist attack.

We have seen this before in 2003 when a SGT Hasan of the 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) threw hand grenades and opened fire into his Commanding Officer's tent in Kuwait. We have seen the foiled attempt of Albanian Muslims who sought to attack Ft Dix, NJ. Recently we saw a young convert to Islam named Carlos Bledsoe travel to Yemen, receive terrorist training, and return to gun down two US Soldiers at a Little Rock, Arkansas Army recruiting station. We thwarted another Islamic terrorist plot in North Carolina which had US Marine Corps Base, Quantico as a target.[/COLOR]

What have we done with all these prevalent trends? Nothing.

What we see are recalcitrant leaders who are refusing to confront the issue, Islamic terrorist infiltration into America, and possibly further into our Armed Services. Instead we have a multiculturalism and diversity syndrome on steroids.[/COLOR]

Major Hasan should have never been transferred to Ft Hood, matter of fact he should have been Chaptered from the Army. His previous statements, poor evaluation reports, and the fact that the FBI had him under investigation for jihadist website posting should have been proof positive.

However, what we have is a typical liberal approach to find a victim, not the 13 and 30 Soldiers and Civilian, but rather the poor shooter. A shooter who we are told was a great American, who loved the Army and serving his Nation and the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) stating that his actions had nothing to do with religious belief.

We know that Major Hasan deliberately planned this episode; he did give away his possessions. He stood atop a table in the confined space of the Soldier Readiness Center shouting "Allahu Akhbar", same chant as the 9-11 terrorists and those we fight against overseas in the Iraq and Afghanistan theaters of operation.

No one in leadership seems willing to sound the alarm for the American people; they are therefore complicit in any future attacks. Our Congress should suspend the insidious action to vote on a preposterous and unconstitutional healthcare bill and resolve the issue of protecting the American people.

The recent incidents in Dearborn Michigan, Boston Massachusetts, Dallas Texas, and Chicago Illinois should bear witness to the fact that we have an Islamic terrorism issue in America. And dont have CAIR call me and try to issue a vanilla press statement; they are an illegitimate terrorist associated organization which should be disbanded.

We have Saudi Arabia funding close to 80% of the mosques in the United States, one right here in South Florida, Pompano Beach. Are we building churches and synagogues in Saudi Arabia? Are "Kaffirs" and "Infidels" allowed travel to Mecca?

So much for peaceful coexistence.

Saudi Arabia is sponsoring radical Imams who enter into our prisons and convert young men into a virulent Wahabbist ideology.one resulting in four individuals wanting to destroy synagogues in New York with plastic explosives. Thank God the explosives were dummy. They are sponsoring textbooks which present Islamic centric revisionist history in our schools.[/COLOR]

We must recognize that there is an urgent need to separate the theo-political radical Islamic ideology out of our American society. We must begin to demand surveillance of suspected Imams and mosques that are spreading hate and preaching the overthrow of our Constitutional Republicthat speech is not protected under First Amendment, it is sedition and if done by an American treason.

There should not be some 30 Islamic terrorist training camps in America that has nothing to do with First Amendment, Freedom of Religion. The Saudis are not our friends and any American political figure who believes such is delusional.

When tolerance becomes a one way street it certainly leads to cultural suicide. We are on that street. Liberals cannot be trusted to defend our Republic, because their sympathies obviously lie with their perceived victim, Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

I make no apologies for these words, and anyone angered by them, please, go to Ft Hood and look into the eyes of the real victims. The tragedy at Ft Hood Texas did not have to happen. Consider now the feelings of those there and on every military installation in the world. Consider the feelings of the Warriors deployed into combat zones who now are concerned that their loved ones at home are in a combat zone.

Ft Hood suffered an Islamic jihadist attack, stop the denial, and realize a simple point.

The reality of your enemy must become your own.

Steadfast and Loyal,
Lieutenant Colonel Allen B West (US Army, Ret)


BBM - must read.....
WHAT A GREAT POST :clap::clap::clap:
It scares the chit out of me but it is real, it is honest and while hard to read we must know the truth.
YES there are terrorists in our army and we are the stupid people who allow it.
YES Europeans do refer to us as the stupid American, whether you like it or not they DO.
Why is the enemy inside our Army? How smart is that?
 
  • #107
I too am depressed about it. It did not have to happen, but our people watched the red flags and did nothing. Where are their set of *alls? How dare they see the red flags and do nothing? :banghead:
But I am also angry because other terrorists are planted in our Armed forces. I did read that and they did boast about it... I do wish I had kept that article. I do think we have to get them out of our armed services NOW...All the rest of the BS about how we are or shouldn't judge anyone is all BS in these dangerous times.

The military has become a prisoner of political correctness. It killed the very fabric they always stood for. One for all and all for one. After 2001 it became taboo to criticize any Muslim in this country. We had to pussy foot around and pretend that every single one of them were beyond reproach. Hell we cant even call the terrorists at Gitmo enemy combatants anymore. I guess it may hurt their feelings. :innocent: Before 911 if this had happened heads would have rolled no matter who they were.

Unit meetings are held continously and people cautioned to make sure they do not show any biases or prejudices against another in the armed services. It has rendered our military mute.

So the other psychiatrists that shrank back in horror at the words Hasan spewed were so fearful that if they spoke out about their ONLY Muslim psychiatrist it would be them that paid the price not the terrorist in the making.

BUT out of every bad comes some good and I think when this is all over that things are going to return to how they use to be where ALL are held to the same standard and expectations.... no matter their race, rank or religious beliefs.

imo
 
  • #108
oceanblueeyes [/B said:
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BUT out of every bad comes some good and I think when this is all over that things are going to return to how they use to be where ALL are held to the same standard and expectations.... no matter their race, rank or religious beliefs.

imo


I hope and pray so.
 
  • #109
  • #110
Should the Ft. Hood shooting wounded receive purple hearts?
 
  • #111
The military has become a prisoner of political correctness. It killed the very fabric they always stood for. One for all and all for one. After 2001 it became taboo to criticize any Muslim in this country. We had to pussy foot around and pretend that every single one of them were beyond reproach. Hell we cant even call the terrorists at Gitmo enemy combatants anymore. I guess it may hurt their feelings. :innocent: Before 911 if this had happened heads would have rolled no matter who they were.

Unit meetings are held continuously and people cautioned to make sure they do not show any biases or prejudices against another in the armed services. It has rendered our military mute.

So the other psychiatrists that shrank back in horror at the words Hasan spewed were so fearful that if they spoke out about their ONLY Muslim psychiatrist it would be them that paid the price not the terrorist in the making.

BUT out of every bad comes some good and I think when this is all over that things are going to return to how they use to be where ALL are held to the same standard and expectations.... no matter their race, rank or religious beliefs.

imo
WOW but this is the Armed forces they are supposed to defend and protect. pussy footing around it a total contradiction of their entire purpose. and Enemies do not belong in side of our army that in itself is insane.

As far as out of everything bad something good happens,
I don't want to disappoint you but watching the Middle East for so many decades, and reading about Muslims boasting about having infiltrated our service, I do not see that with these people any thing good can happen.
JMO and I sure wish I to be wrong here, I just doubt it. ;)
 
  • #112
Should the Ft. Hood shooting wounded receive purple hearts?
Not In My Opinion, they too had seen the red flags long before the jerk erupted, and nobody did anything.
It is an army base with out a back bone, I wish they all had more *alls.
I am very sad and depressed by what happened but that lunatic should have been removed a long time ago.
 
  • #113
Not In My Opinion, they too had seen the red flags long before the jerk erupted, and nobody did anything.
It is an army base with out a back bone, I wish they all had more *alls.
I am very sad and depressed by what happened but that lunatic should have been removed a long time ago.

Seriously? So the victims should be blamed because the higher-ups wouldn't remove hasan?:waitasec:
 
  • #114
Seriously? So the victims should be blamed because the higher-ups wouldn't remove hasan?:waitasec:

that is not at all what I had said. not even close. :waitasec:
the question was should they get a purple heart. my reply is NO they too have seen all the Red flags and did nothing.
I do not think that anyone here deserves any kind of MEDAL.
NO ONE SHOULD BALME ANY VICTIM FOR ANYTHING, But Medals are given for different reason. :waitasec:
 
  • #115
Just fwiw, they're having a memorial service today in San Diego for one of the victims of this crime. Reader comments from some who served with this man are touching.

fran


http://www.10news.com/news/21609300/detail.html

Body Of Local Ft. Hood Victim Returns Home

Capt. John Paul Gaffaney, 56, Among 13 Killed In Shooting Rampage


SAN DIEGO -- The body of an Army Reservist from San Diego who was among the 13 people killed during the shooting rampage at Fort Hood in Texas was flown to Marine Corps Air Station Miramar Friday.

A small jet aircraft carrying the body of Capt. John Paul Gaffaney, 56, was met by a military honor guard on a flag-lined tarmac at MCAS Miramar. Fellow soldiers, family and friends watched as the aircraft arrived and Gaffaney's wife Christine and son Matthew stood next to the coffin as it was placed in a hearse and driven away.

A memorial service for Gaffaney, with full military honors, will be held Saturday at Fort Rosecrans National Cemetery
 
  • #116
The military has become a prisoner of political correctness. It killed the very fabric they always stood for. One for all and all for one. After 2001 it became taboo to criticize any Muslim in this country. We had to pussy foot around and pretend that every single one of them were beyond reproach. Hell we cant even call the terrorists at Gitmo enemy combatants anymore. I guess it may hurt their feelings. :innocent: Before 911 if this had happened heads would have rolled no matter who they were.

Unit meetings are held continously and people cautioned to make sure they do not show any biases or prejudices against another in the armed services. It has rendered our military mute.

So the other psychiatrists that shrank back in horror at the words Hasan spewed were so fearful that if they spoke out about their ONLY Muslim psychiatrist it would be them that paid the price not the terrorist in the making.

BUT out of every bad comes some good and I think when this is all over that things are going to return to how they use to be where ALL are held to the same standard and expectations.... no matter their race, rank or religious beliefs.

imo

We can only hope. Another problem is (that I have encountered) is knowing where to go with your concerns. If you think someone may be someone other than who they are telling you they are, who do you tell? And, if you do bring someone to light, how do you proove it? People with wrong motives could start throwing anybody under the bus including innocent people of the Muslim faith. You'd think that within our functioning systems it would be encouraged that people be aware of and feel safe to report suspicious individuals - we're at that point imo. Considering the shooter developed his plan and was vocal about his beliefs under the noses of high ranking Army personnel, I'm frightened and hope this serves as a wake up call even if it hurts some peoples' feelings.

The enemy will try to fit in and adapt to the culture they think you accept. They POSE as people they are not but upon closer look (without even trying) you pick up on it and start getting weird vibes. Individually they may seem "nice" (there are similarities people have especially among mothers) but ultimately, they are involved in their "higher" calling and feel justified. They are paying us back. The women are there supporting the men imo. They can't help but to get dragged into our culture because their kids are at public school and they are someone's neighbor. They will try to isolate, but if they have kids, they are trapped into participating in life as if they were Americans. Virginia, is a hot bed imo. The terrorists hold positions as political assistants and in other Government organizations (think DMV, etc.).
 
  • #117
Not In My Opinion, they too had seen the red flags long before the jerk erupted, and nobody did anything.
It is an army base with out a back bone, I wish they all had more *alls.
I am very sad and depressed by what happened but that lunatic should have been removed a long time ago.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

This man did not even have a scheduled meeting to be at this center. I doubt a single one of this people knew the mass murderer or his extremist beliefs.

They were as vulnerable as anyone in our country. They were on their own base minding their business and unarmed.

Blaming the victims is foolish and quite mean spirited imo. These people did nothing wrong. This was an attack of Islamic terrorism and each and everyone of them deserves a purple heart. The 13 who died and the 29 who were injured. And the two civilian officers deserve a congressional medal of honor.

I do not fault the military. I fault society that has pushed down people's throats that is far better to be politically correct than it is to dare offend any Muslim. Those who spoke among themselves were fearful of the backlash against THEM since it is so politically taboo to critique any Muslim and find fault with them.

It wasn't the military that said we must not call them "enemy combatants". That was Obama and congress and this is what happens when we show weakness instead of being strong and powerful. Before 911 if anyone had talked the way Hasan had spewed his garbage he would have long been kicked to the curb. Commonsense and logic has been thrown out the window since 911 when we are constantly reminded to make sure we do not show prejudice against any group, especially Muslim.

Bless the deceased, wounded soldiers and all of their families.

imo
 
  • #118
that is not at all what I had said. not even close. :waitasec:
the question was should they get a purple heart. my reply is NO they too have seen all the Red flags and did nothing.
I do not think that anyone here deserves any kind of MEDAL.
NO ONE SHOULD BALME ANY VICTIM FOR ANYTHING, But Medals are given for different reason. :waitasec:

http://www.thepurpleheart.com/history/

On May 28, 1932, 138 World War I veterans were conferred their Purple Hearts at Temple Hill, in New Windsor, NY. Temple Hill was the site of the New Windsor Cantonment, which was the final encampment of the Continental Army in the winter of 1782-1783. Today, the National Purple Heart continues the tradition begun here in 1932, of honoring veterans who have earned the Purple Heart.

The Purple Heart has undergone many changes with respect to the criteria for being awarded. At first, the Purple Heart was exclusively awarded to Army and Army Air Corps personnel and could not be awarded posthumously to the next of kin. In 1942, President Franklin Roosevelt signed an executive order allowing the Navy to award the Purple Heart to Sailors, Marines, and Coast Guard personnel. Also in that year, the Purple Heart was made available for posthumous award to any member of the military killed on or after December 7, 1941.



Originally the Purple Heart was awarded for meritorious service. Being wounded was one portion of consideration for merit. With the creation of the Legion of Merit in 1942, the award of the Purple Heart for meritorious service became unnecessary and was therefore discontinued. The Purple Heart, per regulation is awarded in the name of the President of the United States to any member of the Armed Forces of the United States who, while serving under competent authority in any capacity with one of the U.S. Armed Services after April 5, 1917 has been wounded, killed, or has died after being wounded.
 
  • #119
I couldn't disagree with you more.

This man did not even have a scheduled meeting to be at this center. I doubt a single one of this people knew the mass murderer or his extremist beliefs.

They were as vulnerable as anyone in our country. They were on their own base minding their business and unarmed.

Blaming the victims is foolish and quite mean spirited imo. These people did nothing wrong. This was an attack of Islamic terrorism and each and everyone of them deserves a purple heart. The 13 who died and the 29 who were injured. And the two civilian officers deserve a congressional medal of honor.

I do not fault the military. I fault society that has pushed down people's throats that is far better to be politically correct than it is to dare offend any Muslim. Those who spoke among themselves were fearful of the backlash against THEM since it is so politically taboo to critique any Muslim and find fault with them.

It wasn't the military that said we must not call them "enemy combatants". That was Obama and congress and this is what happens when we show weakness instead of being strong and powerful. Before 911 if anyone had talked the way Hasan had spewed his garbage he would have long been kicked to the curb. Commonsense and logic has been thrown out the window since 911 when we are constantly reminded to make sure we do not show prejudice against any group, especially Muslim.

Bless the deceased, wounded soldiers and all of their families.

imo

I agree with you, OBE.

IMO, if it saves live to hurt someone's feelings then so be it.
If people suspect radical muslims in the army, they shouldn't be afraid to say something due to political correctness.
We shouldn't call them "enemy combatants", we should call them "terrorists".
Hasan was a terrorist on American soil. There are more like him out there in different professions. I can only hope that they will be reported by people that notice "signs" of extremist muslims or their "charitable organizations" they donate to that are really having the proceeds go to terrorism.

If not being politically correct saves lives, then it is worth it.
Extremist Muslims will refer to all non-muslim in not politically correct terms.

Maybe this will be a wake up call, idk. I can only hope that people will report suspicions more..

My prayers for the victims and their families.
I think they should get purple hearts, they were attacked by a terrorist who started a small one man war on American soil while crying out about allah.
 
  • #120
I couldn't disagree with you more.

This man did not even have a scheduled meeting to be at this center. I doubt a single one of this people knew the mass murderer or his extremist beliefs.

They were as vulnerable as anyone in our country. They were on their own base minding their business and unarmed.

Blaming the victims is foolish and quite mean spirited imo. These people did nothing wrong. This was an attack of Islamic terrorism and each and everyone of them deserves a purple heart. The 13 who died and the 29 who were injured. And the two civilian officers deserve a congressional medal of honor.

I do not fault the military. I fault society that has pushed down people's throats that is far better to be politically correct than it is to dare offend any Muslim. Those who spoke among themselves were fearful of the backlash against THEM since it is so politically taboo to critique any Muslim and find fault with them.

It wasn't the military that said we must not call them "enemy combatants". That was Obama and congress and this is what happens when we show weakness instead of being strong and powerful. Before 911 if anyone had talked the way Hasan had spewed his garbage he would have long been kicked to the curb. Commonsense and logic has been thrown out the window since 911 when we are constantly reminded to make sure we do not show prejudice against any group, especially Muslim.

Bless the deceased, wounded soldiers and all of their families.

imo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

<<<SNIP>>>
Five of the 13 victims were fellow mental health professionals from three units of the army's Combat Stress Control Detachment, it was disclosed yesterday.

It is understood that Hasan had been due to be deployed with members of those units in coming months. Whether he deliberately singled out other combat stress counsellors is another key question.

What does seem clear is that the army missed an increasing number of red flags that Hasan was a troubled and brooding individual within its ranks.
"I was shocked but not surprised by news of Thursday's attack," said Dr Val Finnell, a fellow student on a public health course in 2007-08 who heard Hasan equate the war on terrorism to a war on Islam. Another student had warned military officials that Hasan was a "ticking time bomb" after he reportedly gave a presentation defending suicide bombers.

<<<SNIP>>>>more at link......


I am also looking for another link that spoke about how he just stood there and shot them...
If I am not mistaken some were his colleagues whom he did know.
IMHO they should have spoken up long ago.
It will never be OK that they wanted to be "Politically correct" I will always say that is :crazy::sick:

THIS IS TOTALY DIFFERENT FROM NOT HAVING COMPASSION FOR THE VICTIMS
because this kind of things that should have, and could have been prevented do break my heart.
NO WHERE HAVE I BLAMED THE Victims, All I said: it does not warrant a purple heart. JMO
You have yours, but mean spirited I am far far far from.....
I don't say the politically correct things, I hate that....
The army sacrificed our soldiers for what some BS? and I should fall into the same BS? No way.
That man should have been removed end of story...That is my spirit...Right there.
 

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