TX - Mass Shooting at Fort Hood, 5 November 2009 #2 *Guilty*

[MeoW333]

Again,I notice Hasan is mentioned as the lone "shooter", with the emphasis on shooter,but inflection iin the spokes persons voice indicated to me,they are investigating others.(he might even had said that).
This probably has no significance,but if Hasan was making 6 figures,why was he living in what appears to be a nothing special apartment. Where was all his money going?

No doubt he was probably most likely funding terrorist causes and i hope LE checks it out, as a lot of these "causes" go under different names.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

More Native Americans were killed than Jews by Hitler taking America.

History repeats itself, what else is new..

The statistics aren't that important to me, killing is killing, but I do remember learning in grade school about the Indians and the Settlers and the fights and then Wars that followed after the various groups of Europeans came to America. Same issues - the fight for territory and land and basically invading the lives of the Indians; the white man taking over as he saw fit. Of course, it always sounded to me as if the Indians were the bad guys. Now I understand that that's not true. Then, of course, there was the Boston Tea Party and later, the Civil War.

All I can say to the above is, WE MUST EVOLVE. That said, the fighting/war that is face-to-face, hand-to-hand is DECLARED War. Whereas Hitler and his followers rounded people up and gassed them. Most of the people didn't stand a chance. So, it's somewhat different imo.

That is what the shooter did to the victims at Fort Hood. He did not declare war; he just started firing when they least expected it.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I hate to sound scary, but I have known all along (just within my heart of hearts) that "they" are not done with us here in America. "They" hate us and are patient and want to surprise us from time-to-time to let us know "they" are still around. Then as soon as "they" figure out how to do it and can get by our intelligence and systems "they" will drop upon our heads a huge disaster and "they" will sit back and enjoy the damage "they" caused for no other reason than to hurt us and to see us suffer.

We don't like to think about these things and we don't want to allow them to paralyze us/our activities/our lives. That is why our Government has to remain vigilant in keeping abreast of the climate of terrorism and spend big bucks for surveillance systems, manpower and whatever it takes to keep our Nation safe. Our Government cannot be open about these things as it would defeat the purpose of protecting us as best as humanly possible. I surrender that the rest is up to the Heavens - I pray my God for protection.

 

[sniperacer]

Again,I notice Hasan is mentioned as the lone "shooter", with the emphasis on shooter,but inflection iin the spokes persons voice indicated to me,they are investigating others.(he might even had said that).

Here is what I believe is going on. The two 9mm guns and extra clips that Hasan had were capable of holding 20 rounds each. The CID is "doing the math" on the gunshots from Hasan and it comes up short - meaning some of the shootings may be the result of friendly fire / misses. Not sure anyone wants this sad fact out. It seems the story about the police officer who took Hasan down has changed from a "she" to a "he"? More to come .......

 

[krazykidz]

yes, sadly, since the beginning of mankind warfare has existed. bah. i am an optimist, but a realist in my older age after trying to be a hardcore idealist in the 70s. it is a fact that there are those in the world who will take advantage of others whether in their own country or another. i hate bs and pc dogpooh and would be a horrible politician. i suck at poker...but i will not allow myself to become a cynic. there is always a way to figure things out. we have to listen to each other and try to know each other and celebrate our different cultures, ya know? not trying to sound hippy granola, either. politics seem to complicate things so much more than necessary. gosh, could we try to keep it simple? jeez. i could go on. my dad is a doc and i grew up with poor folks from the country staying in our home when family members needed care and getting chickens and farm stuff for trade. sigh. that was in a teaching hospital, too. ah, well.

we can all do our part to make things a little better and the great minds and hearts on this site make a HUGE contribution to the betterment of our society. it does my heart good. people disagree like intelligent thoughtful grownups. thank you all.

i too (obviously) don't like to deal too much with statistics and/or who's "better" than anyone/any country than another. i don't think so. i learn from every new person i come in contact with and am grateful for that. hopefully, my 4 kids will contribute to the betterment of the world as will yours and all future generations. we teach our kids to give and do for others with no expectation of a return favor. can't stand the tit for tat me me me world of some. i carry little packages of ready to eat nonperishable foods in my car to give the homeless by the highways (instead of money that might be used for something nonnutritious). i grew my oldest 2 kids and then we did one international adoption and one mixed race domestic adoption cause if you think you can you should. and, er, i do go on, but i like people and i love my country and i appreciate our troops!!!

 

[krazykidz]

oh, and i think every little bit we can do to get to know those different than us is a plus. i think it's kinda like tailgaters on the highway. they are so hostile and sometimes dangerous, but i had a tailgater on my butt (and i'm not a slow driver) once who recognized me! he was a dad from one of the kids' schools. ha! but....he backed off. so simple, but so true. if we knew each other better...if only...but it's just a piece of the solution to the huge and worsening problems in the world. as an artist on facebook, i have become friends with many kids from all over the world. this has enabled me to gain trust from a few muslim kids in the middle east who had sympathetic views toward terrorists. we have exchanged ideas and i know i have made a dent in their thinking. one kid said he hated america and wouldn't care if americans died. when i asked him if he wanted me dead, he said no. hmmm. ok, sorry, i'm off my soapbox

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Here is what I believe is going on. The two 9mm guns and extra clips that Hasan had were capable of holding 20 rounds each. The CID is "doing the math" on the gunshots from Hasan and it comes up short - meaning some of the shootings may be the result of friendly fire / misses. Not sure anyone wants this sad fact out. It seems the story about the police officer who took Hasan down has changed from a "she" to a "he"? More to come .......

If it happened that someone got hit by a defense bullet it certainly was not meant to be that way - the whole blame still goes back to him.

I noticed that too - about the responding person first being reported to be a female and now is being reported to be a male. Doesn't really matter to me as they both bravely did the best that they could with what they were up against.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

yes, sadly, since the beginning of mankind warfare has existed. bah. i am an optimist, but a realist in my older age after trying to be a hardcore idealist in the 70s. it is a fact that there are those in the world who will take advantage of others whether in their own country or another. i hate bs and pc dogpooh and would be a horrible politician. i suck at poker...but i will not allow myself to become a cynic. there is always a way to figure things out. we have to listen to each other and try to know each other and celebrate our different cultures, ya know? not trying to sound hippy granola, either. politics seem to complicate things so much more than necessary. gosh, could we try to keep it simple? jeez. i could go on. my dad is a doc and i grew up with poor folks from the country staying in our home when family members needed care and getting chickens and farm stuff for trade. sigh. that was in a teaching hospital, too. ah, well.

we can all do our part to make things a little better and the great minds and hearts on this site make a HUGE contribution to the betterment of our society. it does my heart good. people disagree like intelligent thoughtful grownups. thank you all.

i too (obviously) don't like to deal too much with statistics and/or who's "better" than anyone/any country than another. i don't think so. i learn from every new person i come in contact with and am grateful for that. hopefully, my 4 kids will contribute to the betterment of the world as will yours and all future generations. we teach our kids to give and do for others with no expectation of a return favor. can't stand the tit for tat me me me world of some. i carry little packages of ready to eat nonperishable foods in my car to give the homeless by the highways (instead of money that might be used for something nonnutritious). i grew my oldest 2 kids and then we did one international adoption and one mixed race domestic adoption cause if you think you can you should. and, er, i do go on, but i like people and i love my country and i appreciate our troops!!!

We need to figure out a way to clone you! God bless you. (I know you're not looking for praise.)

Each kindness helps. I always ask myself "does this (whatever) build up or tear down?"

I do feel protective of my country because I know, having lived in several (which I thoroughly embraced as much as I could), mine is good. I get tired of hearing others' knock us and say we're not good. Every country has pluses and minuses, but if you're going to pick one to live in, it could be alot worse especially if you start at the bottom. Everything is relative of course. When poverty is so aweful, I don't know why people even want to populate - imo. It puzzles me.

 

[Texas Mist]

:shocked2: if this is true!! People heard him say these things -- and then what?? Did nothing?? Reported it -- what??!!!

<snip>

FORT HOOD, Texas, Nov. 8 (UPI) -- U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, accused of slaying 13 people at Fort Hood, once said that infidels should be killed, The Daily Telegraph reported Sunday.

Unnamed doctors who attended a lecture at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, where Hasan worked as a psychiatrist for six years before arriving at Fort Hood this year, told the newspaper that he called for non-believers to be beheaded and have boiling oil poured down their throats.


more here

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009...alled-for-infidels-deaths/UPI-59231257718595/

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Yikes!

60 Minutes has a story on now about computer hacking by a foreign country into our Government systems at the highest levels - a form of terrorism.

 

[tiredblondy]

We will never know the truth.

 

[mysteriew]

I refuse. I refuse to speak his name or to call him a terrorist. Yes, he took terroristic actions, but I think he was more of a terrorist whannabe. I don't credit him with the term terrorist because I don't think that killed for his religion or his ideals. And because I won't give him that much 'credit.' I just call him a murderer. I think he killed because he didn't like his life, he wanted out and he wanted someone to look at him as being brave and to give him 'glory', and I don't think he was brave or glorious. Somehow I suspect that other Islamists don't either. Some will regret what he did. And even the more extremist will laugh at him, that he couldn't even attain 'glory' because he lived.

If he had been a 'terrorist' he would have gone for training, he would have gone to join the people he identified with he would have wanted to be there to protect them. Or he would have gone AWOL and moved there to practice his profession. Instead he fought going there, and when that failed, he set out to punish the ones that he saw as victimizing him.

I don't see him as any more of a terrorist than the other criminals that we see here. Think Columbine and other school shootings. Think workplace shootings. He was unhappy with his life and he decided to punish. That's what it reminds me of. He was a coward though. He wouldn't go to battle, instead he chose a group that he knew were unarmed and unable to retaliate against him. Just like the other criminals we have seen.

I am tickled that he didn't die from his injuries. Instead he will brought up before a jury of his betters, he will suffer the humiliation of facing his mother and seeing his actions and his future in her eyes. He will suffer the humiliation of prison and confinement. And he will live knowing that every day he is one more day closer to the death penalty.

I don't hold Islamists responsible for what he did. But I do hold any of them who discussed this with him or who heard him talking about this responsible. Or if they had preached this in temple. And I hope they do a very careful investigation of the mosque that he belonged to. It is a mighty coincidence that he attended the same mosque that the 9/11 killers used. There placement there was carefully considered, and now there was another one.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Just for the record, I heard on the news that both his mother and father are dead.
He better never escape or be among others as he will always remain a threat.

 

[scandi]

tdaj, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this. We are NOT all equal. We are all CREATED equal. What people choose to do by their actions or behaviors is one thing that distinguishes a separation.

I think, especially on WS, we are all too painfully aware of how many people there are in this world who choose to commit horrible acts against other human beings. I would even venture to guess that not many of us here would equate ourselves to the murders, kidnappers, sexual offenders, etc. we read about all too often. To consider the shooter of our wonderful soldiers as my equal is incomprehensible to me. JMHO

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting what you are trying to say and if so, I do hope you will clarify it.

Hi Peachy, He had become a Moslem a while back, not a new change for him, but there was a change in how he saw Moslems as people of his ILK in my opinion.

As he started to shoot those people he yelled out the Moslem words and pointed the gun a specific people he knew. I believe the poster here whose hubby told her this man didn't want the American Army killing his fellow Moslems in the war zone. And in their death his people would be a bit more safe.

To me that is the same thing as a terrorist action, just like a car bomb. It doesn't mean every American Moslem feels the same way. He was a Moslem terrorist IMO.

 

[Mygirlsadie]

I lived at Ft.Hood for 7 years we left there in 2005. This doctor/major lived in a DUMP. I know exactly where Casa Del Norte apartments are and I wouldn't drive through that area of town in the daylight with my doors unlocked. I feel sorry for people who have no choice but to live in that area because it is crack head central. I think his apt. cost him like 300 a month or something.. Sooo yes where did all his money go?!?

Again,I notice Hasan is mentioned as the lone "shooter", with the emphasis on shooter,but inflection iin the spokes persons voice indicated to me,they are investigating others.(he might even had said that).
This probably has no significance,but if Hasan was making 6 figures,why was he living in what appears to be a nothing special apartment. Where was all his money going?

 

[lizzybeth]

I heard on the news this morning (Good Morning America) that another American/Muslim Terrorist, that now lives in the Middle East, praised this b*st*rd for what he did in the name of Islam. I'll look for a link.

Here it is:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-...l-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873

 

[STEADFAST]

Hi Peachy, He had become a Moslem a while back, not a new change for him, but there was a change in how he saw Moslems as people of his ILK in my opinion.

As he started to shoot those people he yelled out the Moslem words and pointed the gun a specific people he knew. I believe the poster here whose hubby told her this man didn't want the American Army killing his fellow Moslems in the war zone. And in their death his people would be a bit more safe.

To me that is the same thing as a terrorist action, just like a car bomb. It doesn't mean every American Moslem feels the same way. He was a Moslem terrorist IMO.

"U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News." http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-...l-qaeda-terrorists-officials/story?id=9030873

 

[Texas Mist]

what a creep -- apparently held so much hate for Americans that he could kill soldiers & civilians at Ft. Hood, but not so much hate when it came to getting lap dances. ugh.

<snip>

The Fort Hood Army Base shooting suspect was a recent and frequent customer at a strip club located near the base reported FoxNews.com . Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan visited the Starz strip club at least three times in the past month, according to an employee.
...

"I remembered his face because it was the first lap dance I [gave] to a customer while working here," said dancer Jennifer Jenner. "When I saw his face [Friday] on TV, I jumped out of bed, I knew it was him."

Jenner also said that Hasan had told her that he liked to visit the Starz strip club in particular because no one he worked with was in the club.

more here

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/dpg...n_Visited_Strip_Club_fc_200911091257778533907

 

[dgfred]

I lived at Ft.Hood for 7 years we left there in 2005. This doctor/major lived in a DUMP. I know exactly where Casa Del Norte apartments are and I wouldn't drive through that area of town in the daylight with my doors unlocked. I feel sorry for people who have no choice but to live in that area because it is crack head central. I think his apt. cost him like 300 a month or something.. Sooo yes where did all his money go?!?

Lap dances, tips and drinks for everyone... just like a devout muslim uke: .

 

[sniperacer]

Lap dances, tips and drinks for everyone... just like a devout muslim uke: .

Well there is that 70 virgin thing ........