TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #2

[Trudie]

I’m perplexed why so many refuse to see this as a M/S at the hands of NO.

If not, it would mean she was distraught upon finding her kids murdered & turned a gun to her head. Or, CW/stranger found NO dead & decided to kill the kids. Totally Preposterous, imo.

 

[CocoChanel]

Why are you assuming all neighbors have surveillance cams and that they were turned on? It is a gated community with homes on acreages with guards posted. This isn't the Watts case where neighbors were close together on tiny lots.

JMO

Granted, this IS an assumption, but with the high-end estates in this community, I would have an even greater expectation of security cameras on their properties. That’s a lot of area to cover, and cameras are often the best way to do that. In a more modest subdivision, where homes are closer together as you describe, neighbors might be more easily able to look out their windows and see something amiss. This is not a comment on either of the cases you mentioned, just a general personal opinion of neighborhoods and security cameras.

 

[ilovechili]

I’m perplexed why so many refuse to see this as a M/S at the hands of NO.

If not, it would mean she was distraught upon finding her kids murdered & turned a gun to her head. Or, CW/stranger found NO dead & decided to kill the kids. Totally Preposterous, imo.

imho because people never do until the facts add up. an ME is just a man and the sheriff even said they do not have the same info at their disposal as LE does. and people have seen wrong conclusions that are later turned around. i fail to see personally how anyone can be sure one way or the other. i also fail to see how if this was anyone's loved one and they were so sure it was not possible, one would not want it to be looked at thoroughly.

another person or she herself could have shot herself. that is a fact. how do you so quickly know? add in an argument.

i would hope it would be looked at no matter what the results.

i can't speak for others but i think these are probably some of the reasons.

 

[nightowl1975]

I’m perplexed why so many refuse to see this as a M/S at the hands of NO.

If not, it would mean she was distraught upon finding her kids murdered & turned a gun to her head. Or, CW/stranger found NO dead & decided to kill the kids. Totally Preposterous, imo.

I agree your alternative theories are out there in the land of highly unlikely. I guess we can’t say they are impossible scenarios, but yes, very unlikely that the possibilities you outlined occurred.

Do you think it’s impossible that someone staged NO’s death to appear as a suicide, therefore fooling the ME into ruling it as such in error? Alternatively, do you think it’s impossible that the ME was encouraged/bribed/threatened to rule it as a suicide? Personally, I would put more money on the first of my two suggestions as a possibility, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it turned out to be the second either. Our law enforcement here has a horrible reputation for dishonesty and corruption. When this is the case for local law enforcement, people unfortunately begin to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt. I’m very thankful the FBI has stepped in, for whatever reason, just to be another set of eyes on the situation.

 

[Trudie]

imho because people never do until the facts add up. an ME is just a man and the sheriff even said they do not have the same info at their disposal as LE does. and people have seen wrong conclusions that are later turned around. i fail to see personally how anyone can be sure one way or the other. i also fail to see how if this was anyone's loved one and they were so sure it was not possible, one would not want it to be looked at thoroughly.

another person or she herself could have shot herself. that is a fact. how do you so quickly know? add in an argument.

i would hope it would be looked at no matter what the results.

i can't speak for others but i think these are probably some of the reasons.

The gun/gsr on NO IMO, is a no-brainer.
Not to mention things we know nothing about, things that went on in the relationship, house, etc.
then, there’s the body/weapon placement, splatter & search results. Jmo, we can all believe how we like.
I’m a realist....things are what they are, they can’t be any other way.

 

[ilovechili]

Doesn’t appear from google earth that their is an exit gate, or post. What’s to keep someone from entering from the exit. Perhaps someone from the area could shed some light. If that’s allowed

True, hard to know without being there and seeing.

 

[nightowl1975]

The gun/gsr on NO IMO, is a no-brainer.
Not to mention things we know nothing about, things that went on in the relationship, house, etc.
then, there’s the body/weapon placement, splatter & search results. Jmo, we can all believe how we like.
I’m a realist....things are what they are, they can’t be any other way.

Do you have a link stating GSR was found on NO?

Would you conclude that any dead body found with a gun near it must be a suicide?

 

[Trudie]

I agree your alternative theories are out there in the land of highly unlikely. I guess we can’t say they are impossible scenarios, but yes, very unlikely that the possibilities you outlined occurred.

Do you think it’s impossible that someone staged NO’s death to appear as a suicide, therefore fooling the ME into ruling it as such in error? Alternatively, do you think it’s impossible that the ME was encouraged/bribed/threatened to rule it as a suicide? Personally, I would put more money on the first of my two suggestions as a possibility, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it turned out to be the second either. Our law enforcement here has a horrible reputation for dishonesty and corruption. When this is the case for local law enforcement, people unfortunately begin to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt. I’m very thankful the FBI has stepped in, for whatever reason, just to be another set of eyes on the situation.

Yes. I think it’s totally impossible the scene was staged.
Equally impossible someone got to the ME to offer a bribe.
LE are often thought corrupt, disliked, etc., by disgruntled people. I know someone that recently got a DUI. Omg, he hated LE. A few weeks later, his home & barn were robbed. The same LE quickly solved the crime, returned his items. Now, he thinks our LE are the greatest. Moo

 

[CocoChanel]

I’m perplexed why so many refuse to see this as a M/S at the hands of NO.

If not, it would mean she was distraught upon finding her kids murdered & turned a gun to her head. Or, CW/stranger found NO dead & decided to kill the kids. Totally Preposterous, imo.

Best I can figure is that the dispute lies with the failure to accept the ME conclusion that NO committed suicide. And that failure to accept the official ruling is due to nothing concrete, just gut feelings that NO would not kill herself.

I suppose that is no different than countless other suicide cases where those closest struggle to comprehend what the person did. It is the addition of 2 murders that seems to inflame emotions in this sad sad case. But if one cannot accept that the adult in this tragedy committed suicide, then there will constantly be the plea to find a phantom killer that was most likely among the deceased.

 

[ilovechili]

Granted, this IS an assumption, but with the high-end estates in this community, I would have an even greater expectation of security cameras on their properties. That’s a lot of area to cover, and cameras are often the best way to do that. In a more modest subdivision, where homes are closer together as you describe, neighbors might be more easily able to look out their windows and see something amiss. This is not a comment on either of the cases you mentioned, just a general personal opinion of neighborhoods and security cameras.

I entirely agree. I could give examples but in general yes, I do not think they would be few and far between in such a neighborhood. I also find it a bit hard to believe his home was not equipped. I would expect it seeing the pool, the home and other pictures. And if not at his, then at the gate and elsewhere.

 

[nightowl1975]

Yes. I think it’s totally impossible the scene was staged.
Equally impossible someone got to the ME to offer a bribe.
LE are often thought corrupt, disliked, etc., by disgruntled people. I know someone that recently got a DUI. Omg, he hated LE. A few weeks later, his home & barn were robbed. The same LE quickly solved the crime, returned his items. Now, he thinks our LE are the greatest. Moo

Obviously you’re free to believe what you wish, but murder scenes have been staged as suicides before and that is fact. LE and ME’s being corrupt/bribed also happens, though thankfully I don’t think it happens often.

I’m thankful I’ve never needed the BCSO to investigate any crime for me or anyone I know, so I don’t have a horse in this race, so to speak. I do live here though, among upper middle class residents who also to my knowledge have never needed them to investigate a crime personally. The general consensus is we hope we never do because of the things we see and hear and read about. It’s... unsettling, to say the least, to live in a place where this is the general feeling among well educated, tax-paying, suburban citizens. It’s unfortunate. I don’t know what the solution is, or if perhaps this is just how it is across the country.

 

[Backstroke10]

I agree your alternative theories are out there in the land of highly unlikely. I guess we can’t say they are impossible scenarios, but yes, very unlikely that the possibilities you outlined occurred.

Do you think it’s impossible that someone staged NO’s death to appear as a suicide, therefore fooling the ME into ruling it as such in error? Alternatively, do you think it’s impossible that the ME was encouraged/bribed/threatened to rule it as a suicide? Personally, I would put more money on the first of my two suggestions as a possibility, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it turned out to be the second either. Our law enforcement here has a horrible reputation for dishonesty and corruption. When this is the case for local law enforcement, people unfortunately begin to take anything they say with a huge grain of salt. I’m very thankful the FBI has stepped in, for whatever reason, just to be another set of eyes on the situation.

My question is why? Why would anyone stage this to look like a M/S? Why would anyone bribe the ME? This was not some famous, celebrity, billionaire couple. It’s a wealthy guy living with a woman and her two daughters. IMO

 

[ilovechili]

The gun/gsr on NO IMO, is a no-brainer.
Not to mention things we know nothing about, things that went on in the relationship, house, etc.
then, there’s the body/weapon placement, splatter & search results. Jmo, we can all believe how we like.
I’m a realist....things are what they are, they can’t be any other way.

I am not here to argue and think I have said before I am 50/50. And agree with you, we can all believe as we like.

The things in the relationship can work both ways as well. A bad relationship often exists with hot buttons on both sides and often built up over months or years.

I agree on weapon, spatter, etc. but for some reason it is not a closed case.

I do not agree with LE bashing but I am also a realist as you say you are. Not all of any group are perfect, not millionaires, not LE, not women, not men, not anyone.

And I guess even though we have little to go on either way, this is not an uncommon staged scenario by a perp either. In fact it is very common and probably more so than a woman killing both children and herself when the other person in the relationship is not the father of either.

Those are my reasons for keeping my mind open on it. Both ways. I see no reward for him in doing so, so I keep that in mind but if it was a build-up or the girls came to her defense, I could believe otherwise.

jmo. And all are entitled to their own, we agree on that.

 

[nightowl1975]

My question is why? Why would anyone stage this to look like a M/S? Why would anyone bribe the ME? This was not some famous, celebrity, billionaire couple. It’s a wealthy guy living with a woman and her two daughters. IMO

Hypothetically speaking, If CW murdered NO and her girls, it seems obvious why he would want it to look like a murder suicide instead of straight up murder of all 3 where he would be the obvious prime person of interest given this all happened in his house, he’s the last to see them all alive, and the one to find their dead bodies.

Short answer? To get away with murder. IMO.

 

[MyBelle]

Granted, this IS an assumption, but with the high-end estates in this community, I would have an even greater expectation of security cameras on their properties. That’s a lot of area to cover, and cameras are often the best way to do that. In a more modest subdivision, where homes are closer together as you describe, neighbors might be more easily able to look out their windows and see something amiss. This is not a comment on either of the cases you mentioned, just a general personal opinion of neighborhoods and security cameras.

Yes, there are likely high end security cameras on each property but they would be focused on that property and not on CW's. I live on an acreage and our security cameras do NOT capture our neighbor-across-the-street's front door because our camera is angled down to capture our front door/porch and the neighbor's is too far away. Only a small portion of the street is captured by our camera so it would be useless in an investigation such as this one.

JMO

 

[ilovechili]

My question is why? Why would anyone stage this to look like a M/S? Why would anyone bribe the ME? This was not some famous, celebrity, billionaire couple. It’s a wealthy guy living with a woman and her two daughters. IMO

This is where I go 50/50. He had nothing to gain, she was not a wife. It would have to be a losing it scenario, last straw, passion or I am boss, control thing, my house, you bunch of (as some on here seem to feel lower class girls...) I am not saying he felt that way, I am saying no profit in it for him, or children between them, etc. It would have to be something else and another reason. They knew something, there was an argument or domestic and he knew the girls were going to back mom up etc. Again, I am not saying this is true, just saying there are none of the reasons married people might have or where children are joint. Total speculation.

I do think though since there was an admitted "argument" it is responsible to check thoroughly by LE that it sounds like have some questionable history. Not from anywhere near the area but have seen the comments.

I would hope it would be looked thoroughly into in anyone's case anywhere.

jmvho.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

I’m perplexed why so many refuse to see this as a M/S at the hands of NO.

If not, it would mean she was distraught upon finding her kids murdered & turned a gun to her head. Or, CW/stranger found NO dead & decided to kill the kids. Totally Preposterous, imo.

From the announcement of this tragic murder-suicide, a few people began an internet campaign to make CW guilty. Imo, they were motivated by money.

 

[Trudie]

My question is why? Why would anyone stage this to look like a M/S? Why would anyone bribe the ME? This was not some famous, celebrity, billionaire couple. It’s a wealthy guy living with a woman and her two daughters. IMO

Yes and what motive would CW have to murder the kids?

 

[Trudie]

From the announcement of this tragic murder-suicide, a few people began an internet campaign to make CW guilty. Imo, they were motivated by money.

Karma......just saying.
They might be in a similar situation down the road, falsely accused.

 

[MyBelle]

imho because people never do until the facts add up. an ME is just a man and the sheriff even said they do not have the same info at their disposal as LE does. and people have seen wrong conclusions that are later turned around. i fail to see personally how anyone can be sure one way or the other. i also fail to see how if this was anyone's loved one and they were so sure it was not possible, one would not want it to be looked at thoroughly.

another person or she herself could have shot herself. that is a fact. how do you so quickly know? add in an argument.

i would hope it would be looked at no matter what the results.

i can't speak for others but i think these are probably some of the reasons.

I don't have any problem with the family raising questions. But, it's now been several weeks and the ME hasn't changed his conclusion. The Sheriff does not have the jurisdiction to change the ME's conclusion.

The ME is a trained physician and his gender is irrelevant. Just because the Sheriff says he has info the ME doesn't have doesn't mean the ME does not have ALL the info the ME needs to form a conclusion.

That's his job, not the Sheriff's job. Any decision to file charges will be up to the DA, not the Sheriff.

Please cite one case involving multiple fatalities where an ME got the determination of suicide wrong.
Thanks.
JMO