TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #3

[happyday]

Could not agree more. I think before I just didn’t want to believe it and it was easier to think he could do it and not her. But the signs are all there and it is what it is. I just hope the family and others can find closure.

Me too. I thought he probably did it, but now all these texts and calls lay out a pretty specific story of what happened. If he did do it, then there is an elaborate cover up going on by ALOT of people, and I don’t see it.

 

[happyday]

A Tipping Point?
@iamnotagolem sbm bbm
IIRC NO's three children, ages 10, 16, & 18ish?, ea had different fathers, w her married to two (2?) of those fathers, then NO & two dau's moved into new BF's home, had been there/in relationship less than a yr.
Not criticizing her, but does anyone think growing up --- that's ^ the personal & family path I hope for when approaching middle age.

Like you said, @iamnotagolem, termination of relationship should not be the end of the world, but who knows if she was doing just fine, even before CW? Seems like fourth major relationship breakdown in less than how many years. A possible tipping point for a 37 y/o woman?

She & kids may have been totally financially stable, and their family of four may have been models of mental & emotional health. It's possible, maybe likely. Maybe NO was not the shooter, or if she was, perhaps someone else bore some responsibility too. I do not know.

RIP Nichol, Alexa, and London.

I know what you mean, @al66pine. She had kids very young, kids all with different fathers, divorces. It had to be hard. She was a very pretty, put together woman, and it’s possible she seemed just fine and happy with her life to her friends. But she didn’t have much stability, and if the relationship with CW was on the rocks and he was asking them to move out (just speculating) she could have been desperate, hopeless and panicked. She was taking some sort of pills and talking to herself, worrying everyone. I don’t think she was as okay as her friends think.

All just MOO, and I am glad they’re still investigating if there is any reason to doubt any of the facts, evidence etc. If this does end up being anything but what it looks like (m/s), then there is a huge amount of cover up and not just by one person. Or it is a huge coincidence that a domestic situation/ argument occurred, NO’s behavior was concerning to everyone and then an unrelated perp killed them.

 

[happyday]

I honestly can’t see what was in it for CW regarding his relationship with Nichol.

He’s young, likes to party and has money. And he starts a serious relationship with a older woman, with three children? Two of them still very dependent of her. Alexa and London might have been total angels, but 16 and 10/11 are not easy ages. I can imagine there was lots of drama about all sorts of things.

I bet you’re right there was a lot of drama. I have two teenage daughters, and I know all about that!
But people get into relationships that don’t work out all the time. Sometimes they go on longer than one of the people would like just because the other person is more into it and maybe clingy. Who knows. But it happens all the time. And by all accounts she seemed like a fun person who was loved by all her friends. She was very pretty and had a good career.

 

[Lusitana]

I bet you’re right there was a lot of drama. I have two teenage daughters, and I know all about that!
But people get into relationships that don’t work out all the time. Sometimes they go on longer than one of the people would like just because the other person is more into it and maybe clingy. Who knows. But it happens all the time. And by all accounts she seemed like a fun person who was loved by all her friends. She was very pretty and had a good career.

Yes, she was gorgeous and they probably had lots of fun together. Until it wasn’t fun anymore.

It just doesn’t make sense, to me, for someone like CW, to agree with Nichol and the girls moving in with him. It just doesn’t make much sense.

 

[happyday]

Yes, she was gorgeous and they probably had lots of fun together. Until it wasn’t fun anymore.

It just doesn’t make sense, to me, for someone like CW, to agree with Nichol and the girls moving in with him. It just doesn’t make much sense.

Maybe he wasn’t much of a catch? IDK! I haven’t even seen a pic of him. He is from a wealthy family, but that’s really all I know about him. Perhaps he was head over heals and didn’t realize the drama he was getting himself into? I’m totally guessing...

eta. My stepdad was in his 20’s when he married my mom & my sister & I were teenagers. CAN YOU IMAGINE? He was up for it though—and I was no saint.

 

[Lusitana]

Maybe he wasn’t much of a catch? IDK! I haven’t even seen a pic of him. He is from a wealthy family, but that’s really all I know about him. Perhaps he was head over heals and didn’t realize the drama he was getting himself into? I’m totally guessing...

Not a bad looking guy, he has money, appears to like to party since he has several DUI’s... odd pairing with a mom of 3.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Where was Nichol living prior to meeting CW?

How was she doing financially before? She would have been working the same hours because her children lived with her and the fathers/aunt only had them on weekends.

She would leave work at 2:30 everyday to pick them up at school. Salon probably didn’t open until 9 or so. Plus she had to take them to school in the morning.

So 5 hours or so - five days a week to make enough money to pay rent/utility/bills in addition of keeping herself and two daughters dressed beautifully, manicured and coiffed. I’m guessing she was receiving child support also.
JMO

 

[Lusitana]

Where was Nichol living prior to meeting CW?

How was she doing financially before? She would have been working the same hours because her children lived with her and the fathers/aunt only had them on weekends.

She would leave work at 2:30 everyday to pick them up at school. Salon probably didn’t open until 9 or so. Plus she had to take them to school in the morning.

So 5 hours or so - five days a week to make enough money to pay rent/utility/bills in addition of keeping herself and two daughters dressed beautifully, manicured and coiffed. I’m guessing she was receiving child support also.

Yeah, I’m assuming she was getting child support for the kids. Picking up the kids might have not been that big of a problem, I’m sure Alexa, at 16, was mostly doing her own thing. London did seem very attached to Nichol though, not sure how “independent” she was at 10/11.

Both fathers seemed very involved with the girls too.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, she was gorgeous and they probably had lots of fun together. Until it wasn’t fun anymore.

It just doesn’t make sense, to me, for someone like CW, to agree with Nichol and the girls moving in with him. It just doesn’t make much sense.

My sister did it, she gave up her home moved her and her two girls in with her boyfriend.. He was extremely wealthy. It was his sister's that couldn't stand my family. It does happen.

 

[BaffleMe]

Haven't posted in a while, but I'm catching up on this case. The Sheriff was going to close the case (thinking out loud), but he read the final report, ..... What caught his attention that more investigation needed to be done? It seems like with cell gps locations (although as you all said we don't know if CW's phone and CW were together), cameras at gates, there would be a definitive answer as to when CW left. NO or someone in the house used her phone. Just throwing this out there, has nothing to do with CW. What if they , or one of the girls or NO was shot, but still alive? There are so many possibilities. Could even be another unknown person caused the "murders." I am curious, also, way back in the beginning, wasn't there something about the youngest daughter being in a closet telling someone that NO and CW were fighting, and she was afraid?

 

[Lusitana]

Haven't posted in a while, but I'm catching up on this case. The Sheriff was going to close the case (thinking out loud), but he read the final report, ..... What caught his attention that more investigation needed to be done? It seems like with cell gps locations (although as you all said we don't know if CW's phone and CW were together), cameras at gates, there would be a definitive answer as to when CW left. NO or someone in the house used her phone. Just throwing this out there, has nothing to do with CW. What if they , or one of the girls or NO was shot, but still alive? There are so many possibilities. Could even be another unknown person caused the "murders." I am curious, also, way back in the beginning, wasn't there something about the youngest daughter being in a closet telling someone that NO and CW were fighting, and she was afraid?

Wasn’t it the oldest daughter telling that to her boyfriend? I can’t really remember, maybe it was London.

And Alexa asking CW if he was still there and that Nichol was talking to herself is making me scratch my head. Why would the kid think she was talking to herself? Why didn’t she think her mom was talking on the phone or that someone else had come over to the house? It’s strange.

And if she was actually taking pills, she had to have been doing if for some time. Hard to believe that she took whatever pills on that specific night for the very first time.

I don’t know, this whole story kind of stinks a little bit.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Wasn’t it the oldest daughter telling that to her boyfriend? I can’t really remember, maybe it was London.

And Alexa asking CW if he was still there and that Nichol was talking to herself is making me scratch my head. Why would the kid think she was talking to herself? Why didn’t she think her mom was talking on the phone or that someone else had come over to the house? It’s strange.

And if she was actually taking pills, she had to have been doing if for some time. Hard to believe that she took whatever pills on that specific night for the very first time.

I don’t know, this whole story kind of stinks a little bit.

And if she was taking pills, surely they showed up in the toxicology report?

 

[Lusitana]

And if she was taking pills, surely they showed up in the toxicology report?

Oh yeah, for sure.

 

[sandy_80]

so they wouldn't be able to tell its a self inflicted shot or not ?

 

[happyday]

so they wouldn't be able to tell its a self inflicted shot or not ?

Sure they can and they did. The ME ruled it a suicide and two homicides IIRC.

 

[sandy_80]

aha.. what makes me hesitant tho is cases like rebecca zahau...I mean it depends on if the physical evidence is what sealed the case for them or just the whole thing and how it looks..

 

[al66pine]

....It seems like with cell gps locations (although as you all said we don't know if CW's phone and CW were together), cameras at gates, there would be a definitive answer as to when CW left....

@BaffleMe bbm sbm Agreeing, it seems like CW's departure time could be nailed down, but even if LE verifies CW drove his car out of subdivision at a certain time, that does not, in and of itself clear CW from involvement in deaths. To eliminate his personal, hands-on involvement, LE has to verify CW's whereabouts at relevant times over a period of several hours. I'm not implying he was, just referring to LE procedure.

Likely by now LE does know if/when CW left home but just have not released/won't release that info. my2cts.
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Rehashing from earlier post:
1. LE knowing CW's cell was at location X at a given time does not necessarily mean that CW was there too. It's possible CW & cell were in diff places; someone else may have used his cell and impersonated him. Or just used cell w no nefarious intent.
2. W. home in a gated community, presumably w restricted access, (say card readers on gates, vid cameras recording and/or employee at gates, etc.) conceivably ---
- Someone else could have driven CW's car/truck from CW's home thru gate, been recorded, as a red herring.
- Someone else could have done that w or w'out CW's cell in CW's car.
- Someone else could have done that w CW's hidden in back seat, trunk, truck bed, etc.
- CW or other person involved could have exited or entered subdivision in a car other than CW's.
- CW or other person could have exited/entered subdivision as a pedestrian (over fence?), not surv cam recorded.

 

[Backstroke10]

I know what you mean, @al66pine. She had kids very young, kids all with different fathers, divorces. It had to be hard. She was a very pretty, put together woman, and it’s possible she seemed just fine and happy with her life to her friends. But she didn’t have much stability, and if the relationship with CW was on the rocks and he was asking them to move out (just speculating) she could have been desperate, hopeless and panicked. She was taking some sort of pills and talking to herself, worrying everyone. I don’t think she was as okay as her friends think.

All just MOO, and I am glad they’re still investigating if there is any reason to doubt any of the facts, evidence etc. If this does end up being anything but what it looks like (m/s), then there is a huge amount of cover up and not just by one person. Or it is a huge coincidence that a domestic situation/ argument occurred, NO’s behavior was concerning to everyone and then an unrelated perp killed them.

ITA with everything you posted.

 

[Backstroke10]

Could not agree more. I think before I just didn’t want to believe it and it was easier to think he could do it and not her. But the signs are all there and it is what it is. I just hope the family and others can find closure.

I understand exactly what your saying. It’s so hard to fathom what happened (IMO m/s), that I would rather it be an intruder or CW. Every m/s case is tragic but the thing that makes this case so sad is that the girls were old enough to know what was happening.

 

[Vern]

Just going to add in my .02 cents worth (your mileage may vary) below. I've kept the factual stuff as we currently know it in black and my thoughts/suppositions in blue.


10:00 - Wheeler leaves the house after argument. This would be readily verifiable by LEO as it's a gated, guarded community. No doubt they also have surveillance cameras at their at their gates as well which have been viewed to confirm his exit (and return the next morning).

10:00 - maximum 11:12 - Wheeler is texting with child. NO is known to be acting very strangely due to content of these texts - erratic behaviour, talking to herself etc. How do those texts end and at what time? Does child suddenly stop responding?

11:08 - Call #1 - Wheeler's Mother. Unanswered, BUT was message left by Nicole?? We do have a 2 minute gap between this call and the next to account for. Perhaps, a message looking for Wheeler, or about the fight or about the girls being deceased or about what she was about to do? A message left may explain that 2 minute gap. Or, are the two girls killed in this period?
11:10 - Call #2 - 911 - not connected.
11:11 - Call #3 - 911 - not connected.
11:11 - Call #4 - 911 - not connected.
11:12 - Call #5 - 911 - Connected. LE won't release details as to what/if anything was said. IMO, it was nothing too much - she certainly didn't tell them what she had done or was about to do, certainly there were no gunshots recorded else they would have responded that night. Did she perhaps just explain away the previous dial attempts as "butt dials" for example?

11:12 - 11:31 - At some point Nicole and her girls are shot if the girls were not already deceased by this point in time (I tend to think they were and ergo the "hesitant dialing" and hang-ups with 911.

11:31 - Wheeler is also texting with NOs brother who can not reach her. Because they are all deceased by this point.

Nothing else until Wheeler returns home the next morning and calls 911 having found them deceased.

IMO, he cared for those girls like his own. They were moved into his house with him. He was texting with them - he was concerned about Nicole! He and Nicole got into a fight and he felt he was at risk and left. He obviously, like NOs friends, didn't think the girls were at risk from their Mom either else he'd have taken the out too - same with her brother. Else the two of them would have been calling 911 to get them to that house when they couldn't make any contact post 11:31 IMO.