TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #3

[Sagekitty]

BBM I thought about this as well.


Anything is possible because we just don’t know what happened that night. We don’t have all the details and probably never will.

IMO something triggered the events that took place. I think the trigger was the paternity issue with London’s dad. So my question is when did the paternity issue come up? Mr. B says London and NO sounded normal during the 18 minute call. If that’s true then when did the paternity issue come up. After 10 yrs of thinking London was his daughter and London thinking he was her Dad, I don’t believe that everyone would have been just fine and normal. MOO

Now that London’s dad has filed the lawsuit, I doubt we will find out if their conversation was anything but “normal”. The lawsuit alleges that CW was negligent in not removing the girls from a situation where NO was acting erratically. Just speculating but if Mr. B and NO were arguing about the paternity issue then that would shred his lawsuit to pieces because he should have removed London from the situation or alerted someone if emotions were high at that time.

 

[Backstroke10]

With that theory, based on NO sounding normal, where is the connectiion to an argument with CW? Could he have been uncomfortable with the conversation taking place? (And in his house?) These are just thoughts.....

NO’s friend said NO sounded very strange during the 6:45pm phone call (their last call) when they were talking about the audition. So I doubt NO sounded normal during the phone call with Mr. B later that night. The only person alive to comment about the phone call is Mr. B. He can say whatever he wants about that call. MOO

BBM I agree. I think CW was uncomfortable with everything going on and wanted to get out of the house. MOO

 

[Backstroke10]

Now that London’s dad has filed the lawsuit, I doubt we will find out if their conversation was anything but “normal”. The lawsuit alleges that CW was negligent in not removing the girls from a situation where NO was acting erratically. Just speculating but if Mr. B and NO were arguing about the paternity issue then that would shred his lawsuit to pieces because he should have removed London from the situation or alerted someone if emotions were high at that time.

Exactly. He knows that no one can dispute his description of that phone call. MOO

 

[al66pine]

.... I think CW was uncomfortable with everything going on and wanted to get out of the house. MOO

@Backstroke10 sbm for focus bbm
Thinking CW may have preferred NO & dau's out of house that night.
Maybe out of his life and his house forever?
But as temp alternative, CW may have decided to leave by himself that night.
Not concluding, just possibilities & my2cts.

 

[Backstroke10]

@Backstroke10 sbm for focus bbm
Thinking CW may have preferred NO & dau's out of house that night.
Maybe out of his life and his house forever?
But as temp alternative, CW may have decided to leave by himself that night.
Not concluding, just possibilities & my2cts.

Yes, I agree al66pine. I remember speculating early on that CW probably wanted them to move out. He probably wanted them out that night but if he knew NO had been drinking and/or taking pills and acting irrational, he decided that he would just leave. He probably figured he would deal with it all the next day.
Speaking of the next day, a LE officer said something about how CW was upset but didn’t shed any tears (paraphrasing). I think he was in shock and that could be why he wasn’t crying. MOO

 

[DEB-Z]

Yes, I agree al66pine. I remember speculating early on that CW probably wanted them to move out.
He probably wanted them out that night but if he knew NO had been drinking and/or taking pills and acting irrational, he decided that he would just leave. He probably figured he would deal with it all the next day.
Speaking of the next day, a LE officer said something about how CW was upset but didn’t shed any tears (paraphrasing). I think he was in shock and that could be why he wasn’t crying. MOO

This story is an excellent example, IMO, of people moving others into their homes without actually knowing them, or their family members:
Without a throughout background check!
As a 20-year widowed, professional, female that does date; it is amazing how many men want to move into my house after just several dates... I find this to be scary...
I can only imagine what wealthy and/or professional men must experience too...
I do not know the laws in Texas, yet do know, it can be a nightmare to ask someone to leave once they move in...
Apparently he had plenty of red flags if he had a full background investigation done:
Including a prior arrest for assault, prior boyfriend had to drag her out of the house, apparently she did not raise her son, her former (? partner or husband),London’s dad, referred to her as a fire cracker...
Was she ever married to any of the children’s fathers’: Just wondering for children/family stability issues are important to children...
As a psychiatric nurse for many years;
I noticed plenty of violence from borderline personality disorders, psychopaths, drug abusers, and many times during manic episodes: Any and all of these could result in threats of violence, or actual extreme violence...
I think the key to this might be graphs:
displaying her relationship, violence, and detachment history: (if any)
Especially involving her in regard to her children/boyfriends/husbands/how many times she moved/children moved nto different homes; (specifically who lived in the homes, any men, or her and children only), amount of time she spent at home vs at work...
Her family history and relationships with parents/siblings/friends, etc...
They should know her mental state as a rule, when she was under stress... If she did not have adequate coping mechanisms, or skills,
for dealing with life changes and stress; there is a chance she can become violent and totally lose control...
Was she ever evaluated or admitted for a psychological problem or in counseling?
Would find it surprising if she was not...
If not was she self medicating due to experiencing anger or rage?
Should be a psychological investigator on this team IMO!
Boyfriend had to be in shock when he found them; everyone acts differently upon discovering a crime scene...

 

[happyday]

This story is an excellent example, IMO, of people moving others into their homes without actually knowing them, or their family members:
Without a throughout background check!
As a 20-year widowed, professional, female that does date; it is amazing how many men want to move into my house after just several dates... I find this to be scary...
I can only imagine what wealthy and/or professional men must experience too...
I do not know the laws in Texas, yet do know, it can be a nightmare to ask someone to leave once they move in...
Apparently he had plenty of red flags if he had a full background investigation done:
Including a prior arrest for assault, prior boyfriend had to drag her out of the house, apparently she did not raise her son, her former (? partner or husband),London’s dad, referred to her as a fire cracker...
Was she ever married to any of the children’s fathers’: Just wondering for children/family stability issues are important to children...
As a psychiatric nurse for many years;
I noticed plenty of violence from borderline personality disorders, psychopaths, drug abusers, and many times during manic episodes: Any and all of these could result in threats of violence, or actual extreme violence...
I think the key to this might be graphs:
displaying her relationship, violence, and detachment history: (if any)
Especially involving her in regard to her children/boyfriends/husbands/how many times she moved/children moved nto different homes; (specifically who lived in the homes, any men, or her and children only), amount of time she spent at home vs at work...
Her family history and relationships with parents/siblings/friends, etc...
They should know her mental state as a rule, when she was under stress... If she did not have adequate coping mechanisms, or skills,
for dealing with life changes and stress; there is a chance she can become violent and totally lose control...
Was she ever evaluated or admitted for a psychological problem or in counseling?
Would find it surprising if she was not...
If not was she self medicating due to experiencing anger or rage?
Should be a psychological investigator on this team IMO!
Boyfriend had to be in shock when he found them; everyone acts differently upon discovering a crime scene...

I don’t think it would have saved her kids though, even if he had done a background check on her or never let her move in. And really his red flags were worse than hers IMO.

 

[FrostOwl]

What if the girls got scared of NO:s behaviour, if she was violent towards them, could one of them have picked up the gun to try to protect the other, and it all ended with NO taking it from them, and killing them?

 

[Backstroke10]

I don’t think it would have saved her kids though, even if he had done a background check on her or never let her move in. And really his red flags were worse than hers IMO.

BBM
You bring up an interesting point happyday. If they hadn’t lived together or let’s say CW was never even in the picture, would this tragic incident have happened at some point anyway? I wonder......MOO

 

[Backstroke10]

What if the girls got scared of NO:s behaviour, if she was violent towards them, could one of them have picked up the gun to try to protect the other, and it all ended with NO taking it from them, and killing them?

I’ve wondered about this as well. MOO

 

[BaffleMe]

I’ve wondered about this as well. MOO

It seems their relationship was volatile and location did not matter. For example the hotel in Galveston, or when he blew up her phone when she was with a girlfriend. Dysfunction attracts dysfunction, from what I learned in therapy. The biggest mistake IMHO is that she moved her two daughters into the house with CW. To me, I don't care who the guy could have been. It just doesn't seem like a good move. MOO

 

[MimosaMornings]

London was supposed to do the AGT audition with her friend - like a duet? So if London didn’t go, then that cancelled her friend’s chance too?

 

[DEB-Z]

London was supposed to do the AGT audition with her friend - like a duet? So if London didn’t go, then that cancelled her friend’s chance too?

Sure she had to be upset when this was canceled..
Especially because she wanted to be included, and go places with her mother on the weekend...
They all could have gone and cheered
her on...
So sad for this young girl and her sister...
Was there a cost factor for auditioning?

 

[Backstroke10]

London was supposed to do the AGT audition with her friend - like a duet? So if London didn’t go, then that cancelled her friend’s chance too?

Oh wow, I didn’t know this. I’m sure London was extremely upset and embarrassed. I’m sure the friend and her mother were very upset about it too. I would have been. MOO

 

[Backstroke10]

It seems their relationship was volatile and location did not matter. For example the hotel in Galveston, or when he blew up her phone when she was with a girlfriend. Dysfunction attracts dysfunction, from what I learned in therapy. The biggest mistake IMHO is that she moved her two daughters into the house with CW. To me, I don't care who the guy could have been. It just doesn't seem like a good move. MOO

BBM I agree. They were both dysfunctional and red flags were all over the place. Their relationship was very toxic.
It sounds like the relationship she had with the man who lived in The Dominion (I think this was where he lived)was dysfunctional as well. Do we know if the girls lived with her there?
MOO

 

[BaffleMe]

BBM I agree. They were both dysfunctional and red flags were all over the place. Their relationship was very toxic.
It sounds like the relationship she had with the man who lived in The Dominion (I think this was where he lived)was dysfunctional as well. Do we know if the girls lived with her there?
MOO

I don't know anything about The Dominion. Also, I did not know that the America's Got Talent event was with another little girl. Ouch.

 

[Backstroke10]

I don't know anything about The Dominion. Also, I did not know that the America's Got Talent event was with another little girl. Ouch.

I didn’t know the AGT was with her friend either. Ouch is right.
The Dominion is an extremely nice guard gated community in SA. For example, George Strait had a house in there and one of the Spurs players.
NO got arrested for assault when she was living with this other man. I’m not sure why I think his house was in this gated community. I could be wrong about it but for some reason I have the Dominion stuck in my head. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong about this.

ETA @MimosaMornings or @bears10 y'all probably know where this man lived.

 

[Backstroke10]

This story is an excellent example, IMO, of people moving others into their homes without actually knowing them, or their family members:
Without a throughout background check!
As a 20-year widowed, professional, female that does date; it is amazing how many men want to move into my house after just several dates... I find this to be scary...
I can only imagine what wealthy and/or professional men must experience too...
I do not know the laws in Texas, yet do know, it can be a nightmare to ask someone to leave once they move in...
Apparently he had plenty of red flags if he had a full background investigation done:
Including a prior arrest for assault, prior boyfriend had to drag her out of the house, apparently she did not raise her son, her former (? partner or husband),London’s dad, referred to her as a fire cracker...
Was she ever married to any of the children’s fathers’: Just wondering for children/family stability issues are important to children...
As a psychiatric nurse for many years;
I noticed plenty of violence from borderline personality disorders, psychopaths, drug abusers, and many times during manic episodes: Any and all of these could result in threats of violence, or actual extreme violence...
I think the key to this might be graphs:
displaying her relationship, violence, and detachment history: (if any)
Especially involving her in regard to her children/boyfriends/husbands/how many times she moved/children moved nto different homes; (specifically who lived in the homes, any men, or her and children only), amount of time she spent at home vs at work...
Her family history and relationships with parents/siblings/friends, etc...
They should know her mental state as a rule, when she was under stress... If she did not have adequate coping mechanisms, or skills,
for dealing with life changes and stress; there is a chance she can become violent and totally lose control...
Was she ever evaluated or admitted for a psychological problem or in counseling?
Would find it surprising if she was not...
If not was she self medicating due to experiencing anger or rage?
Should be a psychological investigator on this team IMO!
Boyfriend had to be in shock when he found them; everyone acts differently upon discovering a crime scene...

Wow Deb-Z, so many interesting points.
When I dated after my divorce, I was shocked at how many men wanted our kids to get together after only one or two dates. It was a red flag for me.

IIRC I think after living together for 6 months, it’s considered common law marriage in TX. If so, it could be very difficult to get someone to move out.

When they first started dating, I’m sure the parents thought she was just another woman and it wouldn’t last. After she moved in, I don’t doubt they did a background check. I think CW was so infatuated with her, he wouldn’t have cared what his parents said about her or found on a background check. Another thought, since NO was older with 2 younger daughters, maybe the parents thought she could help tame him.

You’ve probably seen it all as a psychiatric nurse. I don’t know how you do it. Much respect. My son is about to start nursing school. The other day he said the one area he never wants to work in would be psychiatry. He toured a psychiatric living facility/hospital for a prerequisite class awhile back and said he couldn’t get out of there fast enough. I’m sure he gets tired of me talking about all these various cases with him all the time.

IIRC both of her parents died when she was fairly young. I’ll have to double check this. If they did, maybe she had some abandonment issues.

Anyway, I think NO was well liked, had many friends and was probably a very nice person. I think CW was the same and probably a very nice and generous person. However, for some reason, the two of them together was basically a match made in hell.

All MOO.

 

[BaffleMe]

Here is a public record link for Bexar County, Nichol Olsen. Search Results

 

[Vern]

I don’t think it would have saved her kids though, even if he had done a background check on her or never let her move in. And really his red flags were worse than hers IMO.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the time of the deaths, she was the one with the criminal record and convictions no?

His impaireds came after the fact as far as I know.