TX - Nichol Olsen, 37, & 2 daughters, found shot dead inside mansion, Bexar County, 10 Jan 2019 #3

[Txgirl08]

For some reason I find the cancelled audition to be almost as tragic as their deaths. I have 3 daughters - similar ages - I simply can't imagine how upset my daughter would be and to be completely honest it paints a very unflattering picture of NO. It's downright cruel. It also makes me agree with all the posters who have talked about drama - we absolutely know for a fact that a certain percentage of the drama the night of the shootings was NO-generated - CW had nothing to do with cancelling this audition. It also seems like NO might also have been ramping up drama on paternity - that is extreme (and in my opinion cruel) - it is basically calling into question a parent/child relationship (and both of those dad's seem quite involved with those girls - what on earth is to be gained by fracturing these relationships). At the end of the day, it is clear from court records that CW has an alcohol problem big-time, but the two incendiary issues - the audition and the paternity - pretty much convince me that NO was on the warpath that night - much as I want to believe no mother could do this to her beautiful children.

THIS is what should have been happening the next day -

Spot on. ITA with everything you said. I had just assumed it was London’s dad that questioned NO about paternity.. but you’re right.. it could’ve been her that brought it up to him. If that’s the case, it speaks volumes to how careless she was being that night, in regards to the children’s best interest.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Spot on. ITA with everything you said. I had just assumed it was London’s dad that questioned NO about paternity.. but you’re right.. it could’ve been her that brought it up to him. If that’s the case, it speaks volumes to how careless she was being that night, in regards to the children’s best interest.

I’ve wondered if it was London that questioned it.
JMO

 

[happyday]

Spot on. ITA with everything you said. I had just assumed it was London’s dad that questioned NO about paternity.. but you’re right.. it could’ve been her that brought it up to him. If that’s the case, it speaks volumes to how careless she was being that night, in regards to the children’s best interest.

I’ve wondered if it was London that questioned it.
JMO

The only info we have about the paternity questions is that it was brought up in texts between NO and London’s dad that day, right? We don’t have any knowledge that it was brought up to or in front of the girls—is this correct?

It’s hard to know if the paternity issue was meaningful or if it was just something like NO saying hurtful things to London’s dad. Like she was mad and threw out, “Well maybe she’s not even yours! So there!” It’s impossible to know.

 

[happyday]

Calls made to 911 the night of the Anaqua Springs shooting deaths

“At this point, I still believe there are persons of interest that we have not spoken to. We have not spoken to, to the extent that I would see them, I'd like to see them spoken to. And there are persons of interest in this case and we have not yet established, where they were and what they were doing at the time that we believe these deaths occurred,” said Sheriff Salazar. “That's what I'm trying to establish here, and until that question is answered satisfactorily for every single person of interest in this case, it's not going to be closed.”

This statement by the sheriff gives me pause. Who in the world could he be talking about? He says personS but we only know CW is a POI. I wonder if he’s just using plural pronouns (they) but just means CW? Or are there unknown POI’s here?

 

[BaffleMe]

Can anyone provide link to autopsy report, or quote from autopsy report or ME's stmt re NO's CoD &MoD?
TiA.

I'm not sure that's been made public. If so, I would love to read it also!

 

[Txgirl08]

The only info we have about the paternity questions is that it was brought up in texts between NO and London’s dad that day, right? We don’t have any knowledge that it was brought up to or in front of the girls—is this correct?

It’s hard to know if the paternity issue was meaningful or if it was just something like NO saying hurtful things to London’s dad. Like she was mad and threw out, “Well maybe she’s not even yours! So there!” It’s impossible to know.

As far as I’ve seen, you are correct. No context provided, just generically mentioned it happened that night. Given how little information has been released, that piece of info stood out to me... why else would they release that detail, if it wasn’t significant in some way? Speculating of course.

 

[happyday]

As far as I’ve seen, you are correct. No context provided, just generically mentioned it happened that night. Given how little information has been released, that piece of info stood out to me... why else would they release that detail, if it wasn’t significant in some way? Speculating of course.

I agree with you that it’s probably significant in some way. It stood out to me too. Because LE would know what exactly the conversation was and if it was serious or not.

 

[al66pine]

Perfectly logical to think in this sentence
"One of the girl's father had texted with Olsen and
one of the girl's paternity was brought into questioned."

that "girl" refers to the same girl but could it be it be the two diff girls?
? one of the girl's father's (presumably London's?) texted about paternity of other dau (Alexa?). If so, why?

Not likely. Pretty unlikely. Actually pretty far out there. Just trying to find diff. interps.

link: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/19b2cfca-429f-432b-be8b-ac105549d5b5-jpeg.282179/
from News4SA Jan 4, 2021, referring to info from sheriff, but not actual quote from sheriff.

 

[Backstroke10]

For some reason I find the cancelled audition to be almost as tragic as their deaths. I have 3 daughters - similar ages - I simply can't imagine how upset my daughter would be and to be completely honest it paints a very unflattering picture of NO. It's downright cruel. It also makes me agree with all the posters who have talked about drama - we absolutely know for a fact that a certain percentage of the drama the night of the shootings was NO-generated - CW had nothing to do with cancelling this audition. It also seems like NO might also have been ramping up drama on paternity - that is extreme (and in my opinion cruel) - it is basically calling into question a parent/child relationship (and both of those dad's seem quite involved with those girls - what on earth is to be gained by fracturing these relationships). At the end of the day, it is clear from court records that CW has an alcohol problem big-time, but the two incendiary issues - the audition and the paternity - pretty much convince me that NO was on the warpath that night - much as I want to believe no mother could do this to her beautiful children.

THIS is what should have been happening the next day -

ITA Great post. It’s extremely cruel. Of course we don’t know the exact details of that night but what you said, makes sense.
In one of the articles, it was stated that London wanted to go on trips with NO/CW and wanted to see her Mom on the weekends (paraphrasing). If London was saying those things to her Dad then surely, she was expressing that to her Mom as well.

Some people may not like what I’m going to say, but it sure sounds like NO continuously put HER own wants/needs before her children. MOO

Spot on. ITA with everything you said. I had just assumed it was London’s dad that questioned NO about paternity.. but you’re right.. it could’ve been her that brought it up to him. If that’s the case, it speaks volumes to how careless she was being that night, in regards to the children’s best interest.

ITA and BBM. I hadn’t thought of it either but it makes sense. MOO

 

[Satchie]

This statement by the sheriff gives me pause. Who in the world could he be talking about? He says personS but we only know CW is a POI. I wonder if he’s just using plural pronouns (they) but just means CW? Or are there unknown POI’s here?

A POI is anyone LE wants to interview, to get more information from. It isn't the same as a suspect.

I was wondering about CW's mother and any other people NO called that night. Possibly the friend CW stayed with, possibly one of the fathers of the children hasn't been forthcoming, as well as other people who knew the girls and or their mother and/or CW. Just throwing out names I'd want to interview to gain more understanding of NO's, CWs and the girls relationships, situation, finances, mental health, previous behaviour etc.

Two girls were murdered. IMO, whether their murderer is dead or alive, those murders deserve a thorough police investigation.

 

[MURDERER_SERVANT]

Perfectly logical to think in this sentence
"One of the girl's father had texted with Olsen and
one of the girl's paternity was brought into questioned."

that "girl" refers to the same girl but could it be it be the two diff girls?
? one of the girl's father's (presumably London's?) texted about paternity of other dau (Alexa?). If so, why?

Not likely. Pretty unlikely. Actually pretty far out there. Just trying to find diff. interps.

link: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/19b2cfca-429f-432b-be8b-ac105549d5b5-jpeg.282179/
from News4SA Jan 4, 2021, referring to info from sheriff, but not actual quote from sheriff.

I don’t see anything dreadfully important on this paternity issues/ messages etc that would allegedly lead a loving mother to blow her teenage daughters’ brains out and then commit suicide . Is it just me ?

As for the cancelling or maybe postponing the audition thing, I think she had a good reason for that which she didn’t tell her friend on the phone . I doubt it was about suicide or murders. Maybe she had finally made up her mind to get her children and herself out of that house as fast as she could. Her initial priority might be leaving him and moving out at the time . Who knows ?
Me thinks that’s why her voice sounded frantic and confused .

Also in the below article her friend says NO mentioned enrolling Alexa in an other school That might be because she had decided to move to another location and made some plans accordingly.

JMO
Someone using Nichol Olsen's cell phone called 911 four times the night before she and her two daughters were found shot to death at her boyfriend's Anaqua Springs Ranch home.

 

[BaffleMe]

I don’t see anything dreadfully important on this paternity issues/ messages etc that would allegedly lead a loving mother to blow her teenage daughters’ brains out and then commit suicide . Is it just me ?

As for the cancelling or maybe postponing the audition thing, I think she had a good reason for that which she didn’t tell her friend on the phone . I doubt it was about suicide or murders. Maybe she had finally made up her mind to get her children and herself out of that house as fast as she could. Her initial priority might be leaving him and moving out at the time . Who knows ?
Me thinks that’s why her voice sounded frantic and confused .

Also in the below article her friend says NO mentioned enrolling Alexa in an other school . That might be because she had decided to move to another location.

JMO
Someone using Nichol Olsen's cell phone called 911 four times the night before she and her two daughters were found shot to death at her boyfriend's Anaqua Springs Ranch home.

I agree. And how does paternity issue, cancellation of an audition, argument between NO and CW fit together? The first two don't seem to be reason for the third that I mentioned.

 

[al66pine]

I don’t see anything dreadfully important on this paternity issues/ messages etc that would allegedly lead a loving mother to blow her teenage daughters’ brains out and then commit suicide . Is it just me..

@MURDERER_SERVANT sbm No, not just you, thinking it was not important.

But as the sheriff referenced the paternity topic, it caught my attn.
Could it have been the straw that broke the camel's back?
If NO was the camel, imo various ppl were putting straw in her back.

Sometimes I veer waaay off on a detail that turns out to be meaningless. Sorry.

 

[Txgirl08]

I don’t see anything dreadfully important on this paternity issues/ messages etc that would allegedly lead a loving mother to blow her teenage daughters’ brains out and then commit suicide . Is it just me ?

As for the cancelling or maybe postponing the audition thing, I think she had a good reason for that which she didn’t tell her friend on the phone . I doubt it was about suicide or murders. Maybe she had finally made up her mind to get her children and herself out of that house as fast as she could. Her initial priority might be leaving him and moving out at the time . Who knows ?
Me thinks that’s why her voice sounded frantic and confused .

Also in the below article her friend says NO mentioned enrolling Alexa in an other school That might be because she had decided to move to another location and made some plans accordingly.

JMO
Someone using Nichol Olsen's cell phone called 911 four times the night before she and her two daughters were found shot to death at her boyfriend's Anaqua Springs Ranch home.

As someone upthread speculated, what if the other potential father was someone “scandalous”. Such as Mr. Bs brother, or cousin, or father. Or even worse for her.. one of her friends husband or something. Or a man in prison. The true weight of what she was potentially facing is unknown to us at this point. MOO

Could one of the questions the sheriff wants answered before closing the case be “who is London’s dad”? All speculation of course.

 

[Backstroke10]

I agree. And how does paternity issue, cancellation of an audition, argument between NO and CW fit together? The first two don't seem to be reason for the third that I mentioned.

I get what your saying and I’m not sure either. Maybe the argument between CW and NO was about everything that had gone on that day. The 6:45pm call where the friend says NO cancels/is acting strange and the 18 minute call to Mr. B. Maybe CW was sick of the drama that day, tells NO he’s out of there and she becomes enraged. MOO

I think Mr. B holds a lot of answers. For example, did he or NO bring up paternity? Did London know about it? Who made the decision about the AGT audition and what was London’s reaction to it? Did he hear CW in the background during the 18 minute call? I have so many questions.
MOO
ETA I know CW was there during the 18 minute phone call but wondering if Mr. B heard any arguing, etc.

 

[Backstroke10]

@MURDERER_SERVANT sbm No, not just you, thinking it was not important.

But as the sheriff referenced the paternity topic, it caught my attn.
Could it have been the straw that broke the camel's back?
If NO was the camel, imo various ppl were putting straw in her back.

Sometimes I veer waaay off on a detail that turns out to be meaningless. Sorry.

BBM Your last sentence. Thanks al66pine, that made me laugh. It’s great that you analyze all the details.

 

[al66pine]

I agree. And how does paternity issue, cancellation of an audition, argument between NO and CW fit together? The first two don't seem to be reason for the third that I mentioned.

@BaffleMe ^Absolutely right. At least on the surface, the first two issues do not fit together w the third.

But I doubt these ^ were the only prob's/stressors in NO's life. Could one of them or the combo w other stressors have been precipitating factor(s) in NO's last actions?

Not concluding anything, just considering possibilities, my2ct.

 

[BaffleMe]

I get what your saying and I’m not sure either. Maybe the argument between CW and NO was about everything that had gone on that day. The 6:45pm call where the friend says NO cancels/is acting strange and the 18 minute call to Mr. B. Maybe CW was sick of the drama that day, tells NO he’s out of there and she becomes enraged. MOO

I think Mr. B holds a lot of answers. For example, did he or NO bring up paternity? Did London know about it? Who made the decision about the AGT audition and what was London’s reaction to it? Did he hear CW in the background during the 18 minute call? I have so many questions.
MOO
ETA I know CW was there during the 18 minute phone call but wondering if Mr. B heard any arguing, etc.

How do we know this, that CW was there?? I must have missed something.

 

[BaffleMe]

@BaffleMe ^Absolutely right. At least on the surface, the first two issues do not fit together w the third.

But I doubt these ^ were the only prob's/stressors in NO's life. Could one of them or the combo w other stressors have been precipitating factor(s) in NO's last actions?

Not concluding anything, just considering possibilities, my2ct.

Well, just throwing this out there. I DO NOT understand why the audition was suddenly cancelled. NO did modeling with CW. It seems like she would be thrilled to have her daughter audition. IS she the one who cancelled it, or was it the Dad???

 

[bears10]

Well, just throwing this out there. I DO NOT understand why the audition was suddenly cancelled. NO did modeling with CW. It seems like she would be thrilled to have her daughter audition. IS she the one who cancelled it, or was it the Dad???

well she cancelled it earlier in the day with her friend, so I’d assume NO was the one who cancelled, not HB.

ETA- maybe London got punished for something and the punishment was cancelling the audition