GUILTY TX - Noted sniper Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield slain at Erath County gun range

[faw720]

Maybe he is truly mentally ill .... Evidently he will not adhere to medical advice. I mean he was sent to mental professionals many times before the killings.. No hospital can treat you beyond your will to be treated. So... My opinion is he should be locked away, if mentally ill , treated and never be set loose on society again. Ever. Imo.

I agree with locked away forever, mentally ill or otherwise. The strange thing to me is that he appears to be able to switch sanity/insanity at a moments notice...........whichever is to his advantage at any given moment. Just look at how sane & "with it" he has been at the trial. IMO, he's crazy like a fox.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Maybe he is truly mentally ill .... Evidently he will not adhere to medical advice. I mean he was sent to mental professionals many times before the killings.. No hospital can treat you beyond your will to be treated. So... My opinion is he should be locked away, if mentally ill , treated and never be set loose on society again. Ever. Imo.

Right. And they can lock him up just like the guy who shot Reagan. Just wish they wouldn't wait around for them to harm others first.


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[bluesneakers]

I agree with locked away forever, mentally ill or otherwise. The strange thing to me is that he appears to be able to switch sanity/insanity at a moments notice...........whichever is to his advantage at any given moment. Just look at how sane & "with it" he has been at the trial. IMO, he's crazy like a fox.

IMO if he seems stable now it's likely because someone is overseeing his treatment - he's being taken care of and taking his medications and doesn't have access to drugs or alcohol. (It might also be why he's put on weight.)

 

[WhoaIsMe]

http://www.independentsentinel.com/...-saw-combat-but-ptsd-allegedly-made-him-kill/

More on Eddie Ray Routh & PTSD.

If the first article is right and he was promoted in rank, then this one isn't. If this one is correct, then the other one isn't. Hopefully we find out the truth during trial.


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[faw720]

I think it would hold true to minimize mental illness whether a person is military or not. Our society tends to stigmatize it. Also, it is scary when your body betrays you and fails, I can't imagine how much more so when it is your mind. People probably want to deny it even to their own self.


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MOO, one of the reasons society tends to stigmatize mental illness is because there are criminals who use that excuse to escape being held accountable for their crimes. Think of all the people world wide who have mental illnesses & would never, ever consider killing someone. The problem with committing someone to a mental institution is that very often they are eventually released & set free to cause more mayhem. I have even read that John Hinckley is allowed out of the mental institution on week-ends to spend time with his family. How scary is that? Probably the only reason he is still institutionalized at all is because it was a POTUS that he tried to kill.

 

[colette]

Quote Originally Posted by colette ....
Whenever I think the VA might not have done enough I remember that the defendant told a friend he was pretending to have symptoms to get a disability.

Do you have a link to something about this? I've been searching everywhere but can't seem to narrow it down. Thanks.

In a brief filed with the court on Tuesday that detailed other offenses, prosecutors said Routh "lied about shooting a child in Iraq, pulling dead bodies out of the water, or piled up dead bodies in Haiti or [having] seen multiple dead babies."

The filing goes on to claim that Routh told a friend "he was making false claims to [the VA] to get benefits."

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crim...ors-cast-doubt-on-rouths-ptsd-claim/23207415/

 

[colette]

Also if you know right from wrong you are guilty. He knew what he did was wrong... he told LE that. He tells his guards "it's more fun to be bad".. ripping toliets out and doing bad stuff while locked up. Ok he may have some mental problems (personality problems and drug abuse) but he knows right from wrong that is the difference in punishment or guilt.

 

[Cortne]

He was sick before he was a Marine. I also read somewhere he was faking it for disability so that he wouldn't have to work. I have no links.


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[faw720]

Quote Originally Posted by colette ....
Whenever I think the VA might not have done enough I remember that the defendant told a friend he was pretending to have symptoms to get a disability.



In a brief filed with the court on Tuesday that detailed other offenses, prosecutors said Routh "lied about shooting a child in Iraq, pulling dead bodies out of the water, or piled up dead bodies in Haiti or [having] seen multiple dead babies."

The filing goes on to claim that Routh told a friend "he was making false claims to [the VA] to get benefits."

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crim...ors-cast-doubt-on-rouths-ptsd-claim/23207415/

Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this link!! It is a filing brief presented to the court that tells everyone what they need to know about Eddie Ray Routh. If it is presented as a brief I would think it has to be backed up by evidence. Otherwise, I don't believe a judge would let it be filed.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

MOO, one of the reasons society tends to stigmatize mental illness is because there are criminals who use that excuse to escape being held accountable for their crimes. Think of all the people world wide who have mental illnesses & would never, ever consider killing someone. The problem with committing someone to a mental institution is that very often they are eventually released & set free to cause more mayhem. I have even read that John Hinckley is allowed out of the mental institution on week-ends to spend time with his family. How scary is that? Probably the only reason he is still institutionalized at all is because it was a POTUS that he tried to kill.

True. I read the same about Hinckley when they were considering weekend visits.

Edited to add:
I think the reason mental illness is stigmatized in our society has more to do with our obsession with perfection and we don't like the thought of defects. Especially the kind that can't be fixed.

I agree with you that people use MI to try and get away with things. On the other hand, many times people with MI actually commit crimes. Prisons are full of them.

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[WhoaIsMe]

Quote Originally Posted by colette ....
Whenever I think the VA might not have done enough I remember that the defendant told a friend he was pretending to have symptoms to get a disability.



In a brief filed with the court on Tuesday that detailed other offenses, prosecutors said Routh "lied about shooting a child in Iraq, pulling dead bodies out of the water, or piled up dead bodies in Haiti or [having] seen multiple dead babies."

The filing goes on to claim that Routh told a friend "he was making false claims to [the VA] to get benefits."

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crim...ors-cast-doubt-on-rouths-ptsd-claim/23207415/

I'm looking forward to hearing/reading the evidence. I suspect we will see the most evidence dealing with his mental health in the PT rebuttal case, after the DT has made whatever claims they are going to make regarding his mental state.


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[WhoaIsMe]

He was sick before he was a Marine. I also read somewhere he was faking it for disability so that he wouldn't have to work. I have no links.


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Like i said previously, it is too late for ERR. He is going away for life somewhere, be it prison or a mental hospital. But...

If he was sick before he was a Marine, that begs the question of why he was ever allowed to enlist and further, be active and deployed for four years. They need to seriously reconsider screening if that is the case.

And...

It still would not absolve the VA in my mind even if he was sick prior to joining. To expound on my diabetes analogy from before; if a marine, soldier, sailor had diabetes before joining and somehow that was missed in the screening process, then later began to experience some things that diabetes can cause such as kidney failure, I would fully expect the VA to do more than throw an insulin script at them. I would expect dialysis and for the VA to get them on a transplant list. In other words, treat them to the fullest extent possible.

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[faw720]

No doubt VA should be responsible for treating any disease acquired by a veteran during the course of his/her service. Unfortunately the VA is just like any other bureaucratic entity............incompetent!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Not only that but the killer didn't have reason to have combat flashbacks that day correct? Don't believe he was ever in combat ... Im gonna read everything this weekend so I can understand fully the evidence.

No he didnt. Those in the military who have PTSD can have flashbacks of war if they hear rapid gunfire. Yet this wasn't the case here. The only one firing weapons was the murderer and I think it will become relevant that both victims were shot in the back. It shows imo he knew he couldn't take them down if they had had time to react and were facing him when he drew his weapon.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Quote Originally Posted by colette ....
Whenever I think the VA might not have done enough I remember that the defendant told a friend he was pretending to have symptoms to get a disability.



In a brief filed with the court on Tuesday that detailed other offenses, prosecutors said Routh "lied about shooting a child in Iraq, pulling dead bodies out of the water, or piled up dead bodies in Haiti or [having] seen multiple dead babies."

The filing goes on to claim that Routh told a friend "he was making false claims to [the VA] to get benefits."

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/crim...ors-cast-doubt-on-rouths-ptsd-claim/23207415/

Rut-roh, if all of this comes in during the Prosecutor's rebuttal it will not bode well for the defendant.

It will make the jury not trust the defendant nor the DT and they may think he is just pretending to act mentally ill when he is not.

If the jury gets to the point they don't trust the defendant's claims then he will be convicted in short order.

Texas jurors don't take kindly to someone who is trying to pull something over on them.

IMO

 

[faw720]

Tweets are coming in on the nbcdfw website. The LE who transported ERR to Erath Co. & booked him into jail is currently on the stand.

 

[faw720]

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/American-Sniper-trial-Resumes-Monday-292060891.html


Recap of morning testimony plus tweets.

 

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Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Jurors walking into courtroom before testimony resumes in capital murder trial of Eddie Ray Routh. #snipertrial

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Erath Co Sgt. Kenny Phillips on witness stand. Works at the jail. Booked in Routh in Feb. 2013 after slayings

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Philips: Routh wanted a cigarette on drive from Lancaster to Erath County jail. Was acting irritated

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh acted very irritated and requested a cigarette on the drive to jail

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial officer shows jury boots Routh wore the day when killed Chris and Chad. Didn't change them after

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Philips shows boots Routh wore the day he shot Chris Kyle, Chad Littlefield. Routh didn't change after sayings

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Philips: Routh seemed under the influence when he was first booked into Erath Co. jail. 'He was in a detox situation for awhile.'

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh seemed under the influence when booked and was placed in detox for a while

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Texas Ranger Ronald Pettigrew now on the stand. Investigated the shootings of Chad Littlefield and Chris Kyle. #snipertrial

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #chadlittlefield #snipertrial Up next is Tx Ranger Ron Pettigrew. He went and got Chrs's truck after Routh's arrest.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh with hands up after car chase

 

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The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh's boots

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh was given meds in jail

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #chadlittlefield #snipertrial Cross exam - the meds were for psychiatric purposes.

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Pettigrew was rerouted to Midlothian to talk to Routh's sister. Then he was sent to Routh's Lancaster home. Took Kyle's truck to evidence

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Pettigrew: Found firearms, cell phone inside Chris Kyle's stolen truck. Took cell phone to Secret Service to check call, text history

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Chris Kyle’s cell phone was given to secret service. Gun @ gun range where bodies were.

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Pettigrew: Took #ChrisKyle's cellphone to Secret Service too. Phone was found at the gun range where Kyle, Chad Littlefield were shot.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Pettigrew also went to talk to Routh’s sister, who made 911 call.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial cell phones of Routh and Kyle’s were critical for call info/pings prior to murders

 

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The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #AmericanSniper there was also a wallet was also found in the center console of Chris’s truck.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial TX Ranger Pettigew, who is now on the stand.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh is a fierce note taker in court.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh arrives for court this morning

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial Routh was said to need a lengthy detox after his arrest.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial evidence is being logged at the moment.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial After Routh was out of detox, his demeanor changed drastically

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Pettigrew describing what makes 'wet' marijuana, dipped in formaldehyde or PCP. Routh is suspected of smoking wet weed before the shootings

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial “wet” marijuana is coated in formaldehyde and PCP.

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #EddieRayRouth #snipertrial remember, his uncles said the high lasted a long time and they both smoked on morning before murders

The Gold Patrol™ @thegoldpatrol · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth here’s a link where cases show wet marijuan cause ppl to be psychotic http://www.livescience.com/22917-wet-pcp-marijuana.html …