GUILTY TX - Noted sniper Chris Kyle & Chad Littlefield slain at Erath County gun range

[Abigail]

What in the actual heck did they start sending a check for AFTER he killed two people! Our government is stupid. The end.

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Agree with the stupid part. I'm guessing that the hospitalization in the VA hospital several weeks prior to the murders confirmed Routh was mentally ill, and thus eligible for disability. It usually takes about 6 weeks or so from confirmed diagnosis to beginning of disability checks. (Although he was hospitalized in the Fall, prior to the murders???) So he'd probably have started receiving checks even if the murders didn't happen. I wasn't aware that someone in jail could receive disability checks, though.

Personally, I have no doubt this man was mentally ill -- the question is, did he understand what he was doing at the time he did it, and did he understand the difference between right and wrong. Sadly, probably the best outcome for Routh is to be found guilty. In prison, as is already the case, due to getting his meds regularly and not being on drugs and alcohol, he'd probably be in the best shape psychologically (except, of course, the prison part). He's already demonstrated that, left to his own devices, he will abuse drugs and alcohol (aided and abetted by his mother and uncle), and not follow his doctor's advice, and thus he will continue to present danger to his family and to society in general.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

BBM Found it:

Defendant’s Mother Testifies In “American Sniper” Murder Trial

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/...n-American-Sniper-Murder-Trial-292095231.html
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And the tweets from John Carroll on the right of the article:

John Carroll @JohnCarrollKWTX · 4h 4 hours ago
State: are you aware after he killed two men that he gets disability from government Mom: yes, state: where does the money go?

John Carroll @JohnCarrollKWTX · 4h 4 hours ago
Mom says"in a fund for Eddie"state: are you aware Eddiesgirlfriend going to use money as a down payment on her house. Objection: sustained

John Carroll @JohnCarrollKWTX · 3h 3 hours ago
Judge excuses Mom from the stand. recesses trial for the day. After jury leaves, judge admonishes Mom not to touch that money or let others

https://twitter.com/johncarrollkwtx

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As always, thank you for your time to find these for us! It really is greatly appreciated!

 

[faw720]

Ok, I need some help understanding something. Tweets indicate that a Routh family friend of 27 years is now testifying. Routh also worked for her. She looks to be middle aged. She testified that she sometimes smoked pot with him. His mother testified yesterday that she sometimes smoked pot with him & his uncle has testified that he & Routh smoked pot on the day of the murders. Since I am elderly I may be a bit out of touch with reality. Is it usual for older more mature people to run around smoking pot???? I will be the first to admit that I have wanted to just to see what it was like, but I never have simply for the fact that it is illegal. I've lived way too long without any criminal offenses to risk going to jail at this point in my life. Whenever I think of using pot I think of younger people, not mature people. Is my thinking all screwed up?

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Agree with the stupid part. I'm guessing that the hospitalization in the VA hospital several weeks prior to the murders confirmed Routh was mentally ill, and thus eligible for disability. It usually takes about 6 weeks or so from confirmed diagnosis to beginning of disability checks. (Although he was hospitalized in the Fall, prior to the murders???) So he'd probably have started receiving checks even if the murders didn't happen. I wasn't aware that someone in jail could receive disability checks, though.

Personally, I have no doubt this man was mentally ill -- the question is, did he understand what he was doing at the time he did it, and did he understand the difference between right and wrong. Sadly, probably the best outcome for Routh is to be found guilty. In prison, as is already the case, due to getting his meds regularly and not being on drugs and alcohol, he'd probably be in the best shape psychologically (except, of course, the prison part). He's already demonstrated that, left to his own devices, he will abuse drugs and alcohol (aided and abetted by his mother and uncle), and not follow his doctor's advice, and thus he will continue to present danger to his family and to society in general.

I agree with everything you wrote.

As for the check, I know that's probably how it played out and that the justification for continuing it until conviction probably runs along a technicality theme but I really do wish that SOMEtimes they would employ common sense and maybe think " well, perhaps we should suspend this just until we see what the outcome is, seeing as the taxpayers are already covering his housing. Not to mention being on the hook for all trial cost"


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[Cortne]

I think you would be surprised how many mature people, people you would never know, smoke weed.

Ok, I need some help understanding something. Tweets indicate that a Routh family friend of 27 years is now testifying. Routh also worked for her. She looks to be middle aged. She testified that she sometimes smoked pot with him. His mother testified yesterday that she sometimes smoked pot with him & his uncle has testified that he & Routh smoked pot on the day of the murders. Since I am elderly I may be a bit out of touch with reality. Is it usual for older more mature people to run around smoking pot???? I will be the first to admit that I have wanted to just to see what it was like, but I never have simply for the fact that it is illegal. I've lived way too long without any criminal offenses to risk going to jail at this point in my life. Whenever I think of using pot I think of younger people, not mature people. Is my thinking all screwed up?

 

[bluesneakers]

Ok, I need some help understanding something. Tweets indicate that a Routh family friend of 27 years is now testifying. Routh also worked for her. She looks to be middle aged. She testified that she sometimes smoked pot with him. His mother testified yesterday that she sometimes smoked pot with him & his uncle has testified that he & Routh smoked pot on the day of the murders. Since I am elderly I may be a bit out of touch with reality. Is it usual for older more mature people to run around smoking pot???? I will be the first to admit that I have wanted to just to see what it was like, but I never have simply for the fact that it is illegal. I've lived way too long without any criminal offenses to risk going to jail at this point in my life. Whenever I think of using pot I think of younger people, not mature people. Is my thinking all screwed up?

I don't know that I'd say unusual, but I'm never surprised when I find out someone smokes pot. I'm 50 and have friends both older and younger who do. And if you think about it - people who started smoking pot in the 1970s are now in their 60s and 70s.

 

[faw720]

Well, I guess I had better wake up & smell the roses.

 

[bluesneakers]

Agree with the stupid part. I'm guessing that the hospitalization in the VA hospital several weeks prior to the murders confirmed Routh was mentally ill, and thus eligible for disability. It usually takes about 6 weeks or so from confirmed diagnosis to beginning of disability checks. (Although he was hospitalized in the Fall, prior to the murders???) So he'd probably have started receiving checks even if the murders didn't happen. I wasn't aware that someone in jail could receive disability checks, though.

Personally, I have no doubt this man was mentally ill -- the question is, did he understand what he was doing at the time he did it, and did he understand the difference between right and wrong. Sadly, probably the best outcome for Routh is to be found guilty. In prison, as is already the case, due to getting his meds regularly and not being on drugs and alcohol, he'd probably be in the best shape psychologically (except, of course, the prison part). He's already demonstrated that, left to his own devices, he will abuse drugs and alcohol (aided and abetted by his mother and uncle), and not follow his doctor's advice, and thus he will continue to present danger to his family and to society in general.

America is turning prisons into mental hospitals, but jails are neither meant nor designed to treat sick people. How many prisons have psychiatrists on staff 24/7? Someone with a mental illness in jail is more likely to be preyed upon, not given the treatment he or she needs, disciplined more often (because they have more trouble following the rules) and more likely to be injured in a fight. Etc. Why is mental illness so often treated with handcuffs and incarceration rather than compassion and care? Based on what I've read and seen so far, IMO, Routh is clearly ill and needs the help he should have been given months - if not years - ago.

If he's found guilty and sent to jail that's what happens, but if he's ill I don't think sending him to jail would bring about the best outcome for him.

 

[lstiff]

HAHAHAH thanks for that! ^^ "smell the roses" While I understand your thinking, I do realize like stated above that many "hippies" from the 70s are now 40 years older but it always shocks me too! I'm in my early 30s FTR, not that it matters b/c ppl of all ages seem to enjoy weed these days. No judgement, just general facts. I do find it odd that everyone in ERR life smokes pot with him. How often was he actually sober? Mix in some meds and beers which we know of and it seems he barely had time to be "sober" enough to know what state of mind he was actually in. JMO of course.

 

[colette]

Here is a new feed dedicated to just this trial:
https://twitter.com/TheGoldPatrol2

 

[faw720]

HAHAHAH thanks for that! ^^ "smell the roses" While I understand your thinking, I do realize like stated above that many "hippies" from the 70s are now 40 years older but it always shocks me too! I'm in my early 30s FTR, not that it matters b/c ppl of all ages seem to enjoy weed these days. No judgement, just general facts. I do find it odd that everyone in ERR life smokes pot with him. How often was he actually sober? Mix in some meds and beers which we know of and it seems he barely had time to be "sober" enough to know what state of mind he was actually in. JMO of course.

I've been reading tweets on nbcdfw.com. Routh's sister testified that she & her husband had smoked pot with Routh one time but after their child was born, they decided no more. Routh's girlfriend has also been testifying this morning. They had fights because she wanted him to stop drinking, smoking pot, & smoking anything period.
So far it seems that his girlfriend & sister were the only significant people in his life who ever discouraged his potentially harmful habits. The others actually appear to have been enablers.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

Some people use Xanax, Valium, or alcohol to 'take the edge off.'

Others use marijuana.

moo


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[colette]

Routh told bro-in-law he was "going to Oklahoma before Texas could get him"..... consciousness of guilt right there


From trial twitter: https://twitter.com/TheGoldPatrol2

 

[Abigail]

America is turning prisons into mental hospitals, but jails are neither meant nor designed to treat sick people. How many prisons have psychiatrists on staff 24/7? Someone with a mental illness in jail is more likely to be preyed upon, not given the treatment he or she needs, disciplined more often (because they have more trouble following the rules) and more likely to be injured in a fight. Etc. Why is mental illness so often treated with handcuffs and incarceration rather than compassion and care? Based on what I've read and seen so far, IMO, Routh is clearly ill and needs the help he should have been given months - if not years - ago.

If he's found guilty and sent to jail that's what happens, but if he's ill I don't think sending him to jail would bring about the best outcome for him.

I agree with you about the part about turning prisons into mental hospitals. Back in the 80's, many of the state hospitals were downsized, and mentally ill people dumped out in the street, with the idea that outpatient treatment was more appropriate. Sounded good in theory, but reality was that many ended up homeless and virtually unable to care for themselves, and those with more violent tendencies (which could have been controlled, if they were kept on their meds and off alcohol and recreational drugs) ended up in prison -- and that's still happening today. I don't know about Texas, but I do know that many states DO have certain prisons where they direct those clearly mentally ill. And yes, some prisons do have psychiatrists on staff full time (a friend of mine had that job for many years).

Routh SHOULD have gotten help long ago, and since he spoke of suicidal and homicidal ideations, he should have been hospitalized until he were stable and no longer having these sorts of inclinations, and able to demonstrate that he was able to follow his medical regime and stay away from alcohol/drugs. But that's not how it works in today's world with mentally ill people. Insurance will usually only cover very limited stays. This sounds very similar to the Julie Schenecker case in some respects.

 

[colette]

Sister thought Routh had traded his "ladybug car "for the truck until Routh said he had killed them for the truck.

Ok he killed them for the truck... he knew what he was doing.

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[bluesneakers]

I agree with you about the part about turning prisons into mental hospitals. Back in the 80's, many of the state hospitals were downsized, and mentally ill people dumped out in the street, with the idea that outpatient treatment was more appropriate. Sounded good in theory, but reality was that many ended up homeless and virtually unable to care for themselves, and those with more violent tendencies (which could have been controlled, if they were kept on their meds and off alcohol and recreational drugs) ended up in prison -- and that's still happening today. I don't know about Texas, but I do know that many states DO have certain prisons where they direct those clearly mentally ill. And yes, some prisons do have psychiatrists on staff full time (a friend of mine had that job for many years).

Routh SHOULD have gotten help long ago, and since he spoke of suicidal and homicidal ideations, he should have been hospitalized until he were stable and no longer having these sorts of inclinations, and able to demonstrate that he was able to follow his medical regime and stay away from alcohol/drugs. But that's not how it works in today's world with mentally ill people. Insurance will usually only cover very limited stays. This sounds very similar to the Julie Schenecker case in some respects.

Except he's a veteran.

 

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The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Routh arrives for court

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Defense calls first witness Wed morning.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth defense calling life-long family friend of Eddie’s mother

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Donna Taylor is testifying for the defense

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Donna Taylor says she's a lifelong friend of Jodi Routh, Eddie Ray Routh's mother #snipertrial

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth She has known Jodi Routh for 27 years

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor said Eddie seemed distant and disturbed, not the fun guy he was pre-Marines

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Taylor of Routh after Marines: “He just seemed distant. He seemed disturbed, not like the fun-loving Eddie. He just seemed bothered.”

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Routh worked for Taylor. He worked at her cabinet shop Feb. 1, 2013, the day before #ChrisKyle, #ChadLittlefield were killed. #snipertrial

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Taylor: She would occ. see Routh in almost like a "catatonic state." "He just wasn't the same with whatever he experienced." #snipertrial

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor asked Routh what was bothering him. He never engaged her in conversation about it.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor describes Routh as almost catatonic.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor admits she also smoked pot with Eddie.

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Taylor: She would occ. see Routh in almost like a "catatonic state." "He just wasn't the same with whatever he experienced." #snipertrial

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Taylor: Routh worked about bet. 40-50 hours a week at her cabinet shop. He never came to work drunk. She would've fired him.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth State up for cross exam of Taylor

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Prosecutor asking if Routh smoked pot every day before work, Taylor said she would be surprised if he did. #snipertrial

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Eddie worked 40-50 hours a week at her cabinet shop. Never showed up under influence.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth says she would have had no trouble firing him if he did show up drunk.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Pros. asks if maybe Eddie’s catatonic state could be from pot use.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor wouldn’t be shocked if he did smoke weed before work

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Taylor says she didn't see Routh in a catatonic state Feb. 1, the day before the killings. He was going to hang out with gf that wkend

 

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The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Eddie didn’t seem catatonic on Feb 1. Was going to spend time w. girlfriend that day.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth this was the day before the murders

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Taylor:In Jan. 2013, Routh family asked her to take guns from the home after Eddie threatened the fam, himself. #snipertrial

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 4h 4 hours ago
Prosecutor asking Taylor if she ever took marijuana to VA hospital for Eddie Ray Routh to smoke. She says she didn't do that.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Routh family asked Taylor to take guns from their home after the fight w. eddie threatening family

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor took the guns because Eddie was homicidal and suicidal

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor said she never took marijuana to Routh when he was in VA

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor was unaware Routh refused help at VA for. drug use.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 4h 4 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Eddie didn’t smoke pot like cigarettes (indicating bong/pipe use)

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Taylor is off stand now.

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Taylor steps down from witness stand. #snipertrial

 

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Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Routh's bro-in-law now on witness stand. He can be heard on 911 call the day of the slayings. #snipertrial

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Routh’s brother-in-law on stand

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Gaines Blevins is married to Eddie’s sister. On 2/2 Eddie seemed to be out of it


The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth you can hear him on the 911 call here: http://tinyurl.com/nb69vv7

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Eddie came over after the murders. Eddie said “Is it just me or is the world freezing over”?

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Eddie walked into Blevins' home and said: “Is it just me or is the world freezing over?” #snipertrial

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Gaines Blevins: "I didn't really know what to say. The hair on the back of my neck stood up a little bit." #snipertrial

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Gaines Blevins: "He seemed confused like he didn't know what was going on. He actually said he didn't know what he should do."

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Said he “took two souls before they could take his"

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Routh then told his sis, bro-in-law that he didn't want to call the police. He thought he should "just go." #snipertrial

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Gaines Blevins, Routh's bro-in-law, testifying about day of the killings. Routh went to Blevins' home. #snipertrial

 

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Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
After Routh left, the Blevins locked up the house and headed to the police station. They called 911. They stayed on phone till at station.

Tasha Tsiaperas @ttsiaperas · 3h 3 hours ago
Prosecutor asking Blevins to go over timeline of day after shootings. Blevins, wife gave written, filmed statement to @MidlothianPD

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth when probed further by his sister, Routh admitted he killed 2 men

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Blevins says Routh was acting very confused and didn’t know what to do.

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Eddie didn’t want to call police and said he should just leave

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Gaines Blevins said he had a very sick feeling after hearing this

The Gold Patrol™2 @TheGoldPatrol2 · 3h 3 hours ago
#ChrisKyle #AmericanSniper #EddieRayRouth Gaines Blevins, Routh’s bro-in-law, testifying today