GUILTY TX - Penny, 37, Matthew, 13, & Tyler Caffey, 8, shot to death, 1 March 2008

[mocity]

Typically stress and anxiety keep people up at night worrying about things.

I think the ability to be able to sleep after something like that shows just what kind of monster she is.

 

[JinxieJada]

Typically stress and anxiety keep people up at night worrying about things.

I think the ability to be able to sleep after something like that shows just what kind of monster she is.

Here's an example of what I was trying to convey...Hope it makes a bit more sense....


Heightened physical arousal associated with fight-or-flight cannot be prolonged indefinitely.
Eventually the body will collapse in exhaustion..
a. Whether the body’s reaction to exhaustion is sleep or unconsciousness, the response
will be experienced as a break with the traumatic event.
b. So long as a person stays awake he or she is in touch with a “present” that preceded the
crime. Once sleep overcomes one, that person moves onward to the future. The
crime and its consequences become a part of the past. Many feel that their
first sleep violated a living connection they had with a person or a situation that died in
that crisis.

**Note - I'm not in any way defending what this girl or her so called friends did. The sex I don't quite understand either other than they're young and stupid and who knows...Just pointing out that I don't necessarily think falling asleep is such an off the wall thing. IMO it's a response that occurs at times when the body and mind is just purely overwhelmed...IE everything "shuts down" if that makes sense?

 

[Brefie]

Thanks, Jinxie. It does make sense actually.

 

[Native New Yorker]

I homeschooled my kids for seven years, and met many different types of home schoolers. There are many reasons for teaching at home. I am curious to know whether the homeschooling by this family was recent, as I read somewhere that Erin had been in public school before. I also have read that they moved to the town in the last few years.
It is much easier to teach your kids when they are very young, and have not yet been in school. It is way harder to pull them out, and start teaching them for remedial reasons, or behavioral reasons. Usually that will make a child feel deprived and isolated.
I did not home school for religious reasons, though we were a Christian family. I was in an area with 800 families who home schooled, and most of them were Evangelical Christians. They usually limited their kids in terms of media and how they dressed, and what they studied. For example, my curriculum was frowned upon for teaching evolution. Most of the families I knew would not have ever put their kids into public school, so I am wondering if Erin's family was indeed that strict?
It will be interesting to hear more about this case. I am always sad when homeschooling gets a bad rap...

 

[southcitymom]

It just blows my mind that this chick could just go 'have sex and sleep'!

Just how disturbed do you have to be to SLEEP after you help murder your ENTIRE FAMILY?? The sex, whatever, it's a physical act, but sleeping requires a relaxed state of mind, no?

Or just flat-out exhaustion, I think. I don't have personal experience, but I expect murder wears a person out on every level. I don't think sleep is an odd reaction.

 

[southcitymom]

I've read that it's such an act that expends so much energy physically and mentally that alot of times people do (not all but some?) just "pass out" from sheer exhaustion. Same thing w/ stress, anxiety and the like...Not sure of the truth of it, just what I've read in random places and books.

JinxedJada beat me to it!

 

[nanandjim]

I wonder why this girl, who apparently was so in love that she felt compelled to murder her parents, didn't just wait until she was 18 years old and rekindle the relationship with her boyfriend. If it were meant to be, it would be there two years down the road. I hope that they all spend the rest of their lives in prison and that the daughter gets the harshest sentence of all.

 

[Native New Yorker]

I do not understand at all, but I am sure that she will have some excuse of parental abuse or something...there is NO excuse for what these young people have done....
they have just left destruction behind them, and deserve the harshest punishment.

 

[Curious J]

I wonder if Erin had been working at Dairy Queen before she was enrolled into public school. Maybe that is where she got to know the other three. Sometimes when I see bunch of kids who work in a fast food eatery right outside the door smoking cigarettes makes me wonder about the peer modeling that goes on in those establishments.

 

[crypto6]

I would like to know how the dog was kept quiet if Erin was in the car.

Excellent point; that puts her in the house, not ensconced in the car.

Crypto6

 

[Jolynna]

I wonder why this girl, who apparently was so in love that she felt compelled to murder her parents, didn't just wait until she was 18 years old and rekindle the relationship with her boyfriend. If it were meant to be, it would be there two years down the road. I hope that they all spend the rest of their lives in prison and that the daughter gets the harshest sentence of all.

When you are 16, even a few days away from your obsession can be unbearable. There is always a chance that (heaven forbid) some other female might snatch your prize up if you are not with him every second.

I am absolutely, absolutely not defending the murderer in any way. But, I expect a LOT of 16 year old girls would not have the maturity to be parted from their "true love" until they were 18.

Actually, I've known of women older than 16 that have been destroyed to the point of losing jobs and neglecting (or worse) children because of being dumped by men not worth 5 seconds of thought.

According to women's magazines, oxytocin (the bonding hormone) can be as addictive and powerful as heroin especially to someone unstable.

Think Susan Smith and Diane Downs...plus you wouldn't believe the length of the list of women in the past six weeks that have turned a blind eye on the men in their lives either abusing or killing their children.

I don't know why this is happening or if it has always happened and before the internet people couldn't get google alerts? Or what?

This girl is just one more example, in my opinion, of a female who would give up those who actually do love her for someone who, most likely, she will barely remember five years from now.

Do you (all websleuthers) think this is something new because of media emphasis on love being the "end all"? Is it because we've become desensitived as a society from seeing violence and think what we do in real life is like a game or movie? Has so much media exposure to the worst news spawned even more of it?

This teenage looks as cute as any of the Brady Bunch girls. I never cease to be amazed by who is capable of what.

Looking for and would appreciate all thoughts and opinions.

Jolynna

 

[OneLostGrl]

I do not understand at all, but I am sure that she will have some excuse of parental abuse or something...there is NO excuse for what these young people have done....
they have just left destruction behind them, and deserve the harshest punishment.

Yup, yup- it'll probably come out that one of them has Bipolar, that'll be their "excuse".

 

[JinxieJada]

When you are 16, even a few days away from your obsession can be unbearable. There is always a chance that (heaven forbid) some other female might snatch your prize up if you are not with him every second.

I am absolutely, absolutely not defending the murderer in any way. But, I expect a LOT of 16 year old girls would not have the maturity to be parted from their "true love" until they were 18.

Do you (all websleuthers) think this is something new because of media emphasis on love being the "end all"? Is it because we've become desensitived as a society from seeing violence and think what we do in real life is like a game or movie? Has so much media exposure to the worst news spawned even more of it?

This teenage looks as cute as any of the Brady Bunch girls. I never cease to be amazed by who is capable of what.

Looking for and would appreciate all thoughts and opinions.

Jolynna

I totally agree...again not defending - BUT heck, "first love" whether legit or not, IS intoxicating. And w/ the sounds of them just dating a short period of time..they were in lust and infatuation stage probably...

This subject as come up ALOT in conversations between myself and others...(Is the world getting worse or is it just that we have such quick access to info) And I tend to think it's the latter. Simply because it AMAZES me when I talk to someone about what is a HUGE topic of convo here and people scratch their heads and ask me WTH i'm talking about lol.

Before we (as a society) were kind of limited to what our News stations/media print chose to cover. Now, we have unlimited resources literally at our fingertips. And it's no longer a thing of having to have the economic resources to obtain that information (meaning people being able to afford computers and internet access) there are many places that offer free internet access, in other words, anyone (for the most part) can access any information they want to.

 

[Annie]

I think it is probably some of both. We are hearing about things we would not have heard of previously. Then any time there is a crime like this, a school shooting, a mall shooting, etc., there will be copycats. People who might not have thought of it before will do something like it. I don't know if it is the idea of the notoriety or the uncontrolled anger. When I grew up the world was a much simpler place. We had chores to do and a purpose in life. Too many people today spend so many hours on video games, cell phones, internet instead of interacting with each other in face to face conversations. I spend my share of time on the internet, but sometimes I wonder if I would have turned out to be a different person today if I had access to these when I was young. The world looks different when you are looking back from years of experiences. Most people learn that if we want something, it doesn't have to be right now.

 

[JinxieJada]

Most people learn that if we want something, it doesn't have to be right now.

Except our youth of today! I'm youngish (just turned 30) and I to refer to my kids as being in the microwave society. Push a button and there it is. Food, internet, calls, heck, don't want to wait for voicemails? You can access em from your computer, any other phone etc, everytype of food is premade. My oldest starts college level art classes this next quarter and she's only in 6th grade. No more waiting for college to get college credit etc.

There's lots more obvious reasons for them being called that, BUT just a few off the top of my head. Of course, I'm just as guilty LOL I sit here at times wondering why no one has put a new reply to a thread and hitting refresh obsessively!

 

[lviola]

Excellent point; that puts her in the house, not ensconced in the car.

Crypto6

Thank you!:clap:

 

[philamena]

SNIP
Actually, I've known of women older than 16 that have been destroyed to the point of losing jobs and neglecting (or worse) children because of being dumped by men not worth 5 seconds of thought.
Jolynna

Honey, isn't that the truth?
Maybe you should write a book.
You sound very wise.

 

[Ticamom]

Has anyone heard anything new about this case ?

 

[SewingDeb]

Tiny East Texas town left bewildered after family triple-killing

Sunday, March 09, 2008

EMORY — Penny Caffey played piano in a gospel band, and her husband studied to be an ordained minister. They were asleep, police say, when their teenage daughter's boyfriend crept into their bedroom about 4 a.m. and started shooting.


http://www.statesman.com/news/conte.../0309murders.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=52

 

[Trino]

Nothing new that I've read, but I wonder how Erin is taking being separated from her lover. This is going to be a long separation - until they finally meet again in court.