Found Deceased TX - PFC Vanessa Guillen, 20, Fort Hood military base, items left behind, 22 Apr 2020 #2 *arrests*

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Just hard to believe a E4 Specialist had that much leeway in a company to carry all this out with COVID going on regardless of where he worked. Seems as if he was in charge of the Company and Soldiers in it.
COVID dropped a lot of units (this one included) to week on/week off rotations, so troop numbers were lower than usual. But something like the Arms Room would always need to be manned.
 
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Just hard to believe a E4 Specialist had that much leeway in a company to carry all this out with COVID going on regardless of where he worked. Seems as if he was in charge of the Company and Soldiers in it.
He was probably the "highest ranking" person that day. Her sister said she was very loyal to the chain of command. She probably felt she had to do whatever he said. He used his power. :(
 
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He was in fact a Specialist and not a Sergeant. BUT as the NCO in charge of the Arms Room, he was very much considered a superior, since she worked under him.
Maybe he had already got busted. I've never seen a E4 in charge of an Arms RM. Commander's can be jailed behind things that happen in the Arms Rm. I've only ever seen E5 and above in charge of an Arms Rm. and soldiers. Most of the time the NCOIC is a E7/E8. Explains why things happened when they could have been avoided. That entire COC should be relieved.
 
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He was probably the "highest ranking" person that day. Her sister said she was very loyal to the chain of command. She probably felt she had to do whatever he said. He used his power. :(
Usually they promote E4's to Corporal for such a task; especially if he had soldiers.
 
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Maybe he had already got busted. I've never seen a E4 in charge of an Arms RM. Commander's can be jailed behind things that happen in the Arms Rm. I've only ever seen E5 and above in charge of an Arms Rm. and soldiers. Most of the time the NCOIC is a E7/E8. Explains why things happened when they could have been avoided. That entire COC should be relieved.
I had that same convo, but he was a Specialist, every time his name was mentioned today.
 
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He was probably the "highest ranking" person that day. Her sister said she was very loyal to the chain of command. She probably felt she had to do whatever he said. He used his power. :(
Everyone don't have access to the arms RM. Staff duty even have to do security checks on it and log it after the end of work days. Anyone, regardless of rank can't just go there and open it.
 
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Usually they promote E4's to Corporal for such a task; especially if he had soldiers.
This just leads me to still believe he scheduled this unofficially. But we should get answers very soon.
 
  • #870
Listening to NG podcast and we all need to ask why Vanessa's life did not matter to Fort Hood.

Her sister and family have done all they could do to keep their loved one's story front and center and the family had to learn about the discovery of VG's remains by the media??!!

The Military has stonewalled this family for months. It's disgusting.

Vanessa Guillen: Perps mix and pour wet cement on Fort Hood soldier’s body to hide her [EXCLUSIVE]
I totally agree! And it broke my heart listening to Tim Miller get choked up about Mayra begging him for answers.

My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved in this horrific case. May justice come soon for Vanessa.
 
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COVID dropped a lot of units (this one included) to week on/week off rotations, so troop numbers were lower than usual. But something like the Arms Room would always need to be manned.
I get that. Just hard to believe an E4 was in charge of an Arms Rm. and a soldier/s. They usually promote them to Corporal because that's considered to be an NCO, but is actually the same pay still as an E4. Never ever saw a E4 in charge of a PFC and below. Why they promote them to Corporal. But not surprising I guess considering the Unit.
 
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This was probably done on the evening she disappeared, which would have before CID became involved.
Yes. Freshly could mean within months IMO
 
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I'm guessing they have cctv of someone buying the concrete, shovels, lime etc. Hopefully at Wal-Mart, but maybe Lowes, Home Depot or the PX. Moo.
 
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Yes. Freshly could mean within months IMO

I believe the term is being used to describe concrete that was made fresh to encase the body the day/ night or soon after rather than blocks of previously-made concrete such as blocks that can be bought in any hardware store.

Fresh vs previously prepared.
 
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This just leads me to still believe he scheduled this unofficially. But we should get answers very soon.
They failed VG big time. With a Specialist of all things. Explains a lot.
 
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Curious where everyone thinks the status of this case would be without Vanessa's family? I think CID did an awesome job and I think @MassGuy hit on the amount of evidence they had that probably surprised some (paraphrasing- hope I got that right). I also think the family did an awesome job and did the most they could.

I saw some pretty aggressive moves early on with rewards, more transparency than you'll typically see with military, etc...Had there not been a loud voice outside...where would we be? Just curious to those who are more experienced in cases than I
 
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I'm guessing they have cctv of someone buying the concrete, shovels, lime etc. Hopefully at Wal-Mart, but maybe Lowes, Home Depot or the PX. Moo.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised. That still probably wouldn’t have been enough for a murder charge, but it would nail them once Vanessa’s body was found.

For CID to be able to move that fast, and obtain an arrest warrant within hours of Vanessa being found, means that the body was the missing piece.

AR was caught dead to rights, and he knew it.
 
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Curious where everyone thinks the status of this case would be without Vanessa's family? I think CID did an awesome job and I think @MassGuy hit on the amount of evidence they had that probably surprised some (paraphrasing- hope I got that right). I also think the family did an awesome job and did the most they could.

I saw some pretty aggressive moves early on with rewards, more transparency than you'll typically see with military, etc...Had there not been a loud voice outside...where would we be? Just curious to those who are more experienced in cases than I
I don’t think the family made any difference in the murder investigation itself. Where they can make a difference, is drawing attention to the plight of female service members when it comes to sexual harassment.

CID was on top of this, and just needed to find Vanessa’s body. Once that happened, it was game over. Reports say that someone sensed a strong odor yesterday, and that led to the discovery that set events in motion early this morning.

This actually could have gone on for a hell of a lot longer than it did, and it wouldn’t have been the fault of CID.

They got some good fortune, and had already put the pieces together.
 
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