TX TX - President John F. Kennedy, 46, Dallas, 22 Nov 1963

[Richard]

The recent release of documents regarding the JFK assassination should provide some insight, but may bring out more questions than answers.

The Warren Commission was appointed by President Lyndon Johnson right after he took office to investigate and report their findings and conclusions before the 1964 election.

There were seven members on that commission chaired by Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren. Two members were US Senators, one Republican and one Democrat. Two were US Representatives (Republican and Democrat) and the other two were the then current and the former heads of the CIA.

The Commission had a large staff, but relied on the FBI primarily to conduct investigations and provide evidence. Even before the Commission first met, J. Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI, had reached the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin. Much of the Commission's investigation seems to have gone in the direction of proving that main premise.

Recent documents indicate that the CIA and FBI knew much more about Oswald than what was reported to the Warren Commission. In fact, it could be concluded that he was under constant surveillance.

 

[arielilane]

There are way too many docs labeled as classified. jmo

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904933867011858529

 

[Betty P]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904933867011858529

I've got to catch up on reading these releases. I agree with him that it will be interesting to learn more about Oswald's trip to Mexico City, Mexico in the weeks before the JFK assassination. Pretty sure the CIA knew about that trip and that they were reading Oswald's mail. They should have known he was up to something.

 

[arielilane]

A Republican representative has claimed that NBC are holding on to a videotape that proves Lee Harvey Oswald did not assassinate President John F. Kennedy.

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla, made the bold claims while appearing on Fox News alongside host Jesse Watters on Friday night.

Luna had been talking about the recent release of over 80,000 pages of new material by the National Archive in relation to JFK's assassination.

GOP Rep claims NBC is hiding evidence about JFK assassination

Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla, made the bold claims while appearing on Fox News alongside host Jesse Watters on Friday night.

www.dailymail.co.uk

3/29/2025

 

[FansBlowing]

This is HUGE if true! If Oswald didn't shoot the President, then the shooter totally got away with it. I saw the recent document that the secret service was warned that the American President and Martin Luther King, Jr. would be killed. However, anyone can change dates these days, so who knows if that's legit.

If the same group of people were responsible for sending assassins to kill Kennedy and King, the addition of King skews the motive towards civil rights. August 1963 was King's "I Have a Dream" speech and then Kennedy was shot in November that same year. The Civil Rights Act was passed in July 1964, ending segregation of restaurants, schools, bathrooms, buses, etc.

My first guess now is the Ku Klux Klan. These people were violent and were already killing anyone who supported the Civil Rights Act.

 

[Richard]

There has been some interesting information coming out about Oswald in recent days. He obviously had connections to the CIA and FBI which were kept from official investigations and from the American people.

This was believed for decades by "conspiracy theorists" but now it is confirmed as true.

The Mannlicher Carcano rifle is a key part of the puzzle in a number of ways. The FBI and their experts linked it to Oswald. And as such to the shooting of the President.

Of course, we know that the FBI would never lie, or mis lead an investigation!

There are several possible scenarios regarding Oswald and the Mannlicher Carcano:

1. He purchased it using a fake name and a P.O. Box address. Practiced with it and all on his own killed JFK.

2. Oswald was part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy and was one of two or more shooters.

3. Oswald was involved in some way in an assassination plot and delivered his rifle to the Texas School Book Depository Building but did not fire it.

4. Oswald was completely set up as a patsy or fall guy. Many odd things were done by the CIA and FBI in an attempt to implicate Oswald, including imposters acting in his place prior to the assassination. It could be argued that the ordering, ownership, and shooting of the rifle could have been done by someone else and evidence carefully planted.

Of course, option number one is the official story. Followed by number two. But...?

 

[Elley Mae]

Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets: the JFK Files - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

 

[FansBlowing]

Lee Harvey Oswald joined the marines at age 17, but by age 20 he defected to Russia, learned fluent Russian, eventually married a Russian girl, and had two kids with her. If this was all a front for the CIA, then he went above and beyond.

During the Cold War, US and CIA would have needed Russian speakers to interrogate prisoners, monitor Russian broadcasts, and read Russian correspondence. But even if he was CIA, what CIA officer would agree to assassinate their own President? Especially one as nice as Kennedy?

 

[Elley Mae]

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Morley-Written-Testimony.pdf

 

[Elley Mae]

Task Force on the Declassification of Federal Secrets: The JFK Files - ASSASSINATION ARCHIVES

Content begins at 39:50 Recorded 1 April, 2025

aarclibrary.org

 

[Betty P]

Lee Harvey Oswald joined the marines at age 17, but by age 20 he defected to Russia, learned fluent Russian, eventually married a Russian girl, and had two kids with her. If this was all a front for the CIA, then he went above and beyond.

During the Cold War, US and CIA would have needed Russian speakers to interrogate prisoners, monitor Russian broadcasts, and read Russian correspondence. But even if he was CIA, what CIA officer would agree to assassinate their own President? Especially one as nice as Kennedy?

I haven't read the most recent batches, but all I've read so far makes me think the CIA or FBI didn't recruit Oswald from the start. He probably caught their attention when he moved to Russia. They kept track of him after that, but didn’t seem to perceive him a threat.

 

[Charlot123]

I haven't read the most recent batches, but all I've read so far makes me think the CIA or FBI didn't recruit Oswald from the start. He probably caught their attention when he moved to Russia. They kept track of him after that, but didn’t seem to perceive him a threat.

I am reading and listening to the information on both sides, US and Russian, about this case and they are ironically similar. Both sides tend to think it is a conspiracy, that is.

But apparently, in the USSR, Oswald was considered for a possible recruitment, and then the idea was dropped. “He was not mentally ill, but he was unpredictable (I think today, he would be of “a school shooter” type). So I have no doubt that US had the same feeling about Oswald, that he was unpredictable.

What I never heard about till today though was an attempt to assassinate General Edwin Walker. There is a paragraph about it here.

Lee Harvey Oswald - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Apparently, Marina Oswald knew about the details.

So, if Oswald already tried to shoot a celebrity for political reasons, he could have done it again.

Another thing that concerns me. Everyone, always mentions the “amount of bodies” surrounding Kennedy’s death, but for some reason Marina Oswald, an important witness, is still alive. Logically, in a conspiracy, she’d be the first to go, but no such thing happened.

 

[Betty P]

I am reading and listening to the information on both sides, US and Russian, about this case and they are ironically similar. Both sides tend to think it is a conspiracy, that is.

But apparently, in the USSR, Oswald was considered for a possible recruitment, and then the idea was dropped. “He was not mentally ill, but he was unpredictable (I think today, he would be of “a school shooter” type). So I have no doubt that US had the same feeling about Oswald, that he was unpredictable.

What I never heard about till today though was an attempt to assassinate General Edwin Walker. There is a paragraph about it here.

Lee Harvey Oswald - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Apparently, Marina Oswald knew about the details.

So, if Oswald already tried to shoot a celebrity for political reasons, he could have done it again.

Another thing that concerns me. Everyone, always mentions the “amount of bodies” surrounding Kennedy’s death, but for some reason Marina Oswald, an important witness, is still alive. Logically, in a conspiracy, she’d be the first to go, but no such thing happened.

That incident was in Stephen King's book about the assassination. It came out several years ago.

11/22/63 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That information was probably withheld by the federal government for a long time because some agencies didn't want criticism for not having Oswald on their radar before Nov 22. JMO, IDK

Good point about Marina Oswald. True, she's still alive. I could be misreading her interviews, but she never seemed to concerned that any secretive killers were going to come after her. Obviously, she didn't like the publicity and attention from the general public that came after the assassination.

 

[Charlot123]

That incident was in Stephen King's book about the assassination. It came out several years ago.

11/22/63 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That information was probably withheld by the federal government for a long time because some agencies didn't want criticism for not having Oswald on their radar before Nov 22. JMO, IDK

Good point about Marina Oswald. True, she's still alive. I could be misreading her interviews, but she never seemed to concerned that any secretive killers were going to come after her. Obviously, she didn't like the publicity and attention from the general public that came after the assassination.

Honestly, I think that the Vietnam War was inevitable given that JFK held Robert McNamara in high esteem and McNamara was pro-invasion.

I don't see that part of US history being different if he survived.

HL Hunt, the Texas oil tycoon, disliked JFK and LBJ was his candidate. I heard in one podcast that JFK planned to curb tax breaks to oil companies... that could seriously provoke an assassination. But lots of other sources indicate that JFK's economic plan was to provide tax breaks to big business in jeveral. If such, I see no reason why oil companies would have been spared.

In general, I don't see that much difference in LBJ and JFK's politics to validate assassination of JFK. Of course, there may have been some factors that we are unaware of, but logically, you change the president and his VP is VP is expected to be way different. I don't see it here.

 

[Betty P]

Honestly, I think that the Vietnam War was inevitable given that JFK held Robert McNamara in high esteem and McNamara was pro-invasion.

I don't see that part of US history being different if he survived.

HL Hunt, the Texas oil tycoon, disliked JFK and LBJ was his candidate. I heard in one podcast that JFK planned to curb tax breaks to oil companies... that could seriously provoke an assassination. But lots of other sources indicate that JFK's economic plan was to provide tax breaks to big business in jeveral. If such, I see no reason why oil companies would have been spared.

In general, I don't see that much difference in LBJ and JFK's politics to validate assassination of JFK. Of course, there may have been some factors that we are unaware of, but logically, you change the president and his VP is VP is expected to be way different. I don't see it here.

I agree. Had JFK not been assassinated, McNamara would still have been able to convince him to take a step into Vietnam. Its hard to say what might have happened after that when the going got rough. But it never seemed, to me, that Vietnam alone was enough motive to kill him. I do think the CIA was shocked at his reaction to the Bay of Pigs. With Hoover in charge, the FBI was still something of a loose cannon, though. He was also upset about the BOP, IIRC.

Oswald was someone they may have cultivated, then backed away from due to his erratic behavior. They didn't bother to monitor him. This was Bobby Kennedy's initial conclusion and reaction the day of the assassination. JMO

 

[rob525]

That incident was in Stephen King's book about the assassination. It came out several years ago.

11/22/63 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That information was probably withheld by the federal government for a long time because some agencies didn't want criticism for not having Oswald on their radar before Nov 22. JMO, IDK

Good point about Marina Oswald. True, she's still alive. I could be misreading her interviews, but she never seemed to concerned that any secretive killers were going to come after her. Obviously, she didn't like the publicity and attention from the general public that came after the assassination.

On a side note. The book that you referenced is fascinating. I have read that King researched the assassination for many years prior to completing the book and it is interesting to read his take on Oswald and his activities prior to the assassination. While it is a work of fiction, it is clear that some of the content is based in research conclusions.

 

[Betty P]

On a side note. The book that you referenced is fascinating. I have read that King researched the assassination for many years prior to completing the book and it is interesting to read his take on Oswald and his activities prior to the assassination. While it is a work of fiction, it is clear that some of the content is based in research conclusions.

Yes, its a rather long book, took a while to finish reading. It contains a lot of research that I assume was factual, as much as public records can be. I learned a few things I hadn't known before.

 

[Richard]

Whether Lee Harvey Oswald was a dedicated and full fleged operative of the CIA or FBI - or simply a "lone nut" that they knew of and tracked, the fact that those agencies withheld information from the Warren Commission, and later Congressional Committee investigation puts other information which they DID provide in question.

It is very likely that the CIA, FBI, the Secret Service and other agencies wished to cover up anything which would reflect badly on them.

The Secret Service prevented Dallas officials from conducting an autopsy. They immediately cleaned the interior of the Limousine and removed that whole crime scene from Texas. It was sent to Cincinnati, Ohio where it was substantially renovated and changed.

More recently, the last living member of the Secret Service detail, Paul Landis, stated that he had found the "magic bullet" in the Presidential Limousine between the rear seat and the trunk, and that it was he who placed it on the emergency room gurney or table on which Kennedy lay.

That bullet became the keystone piece of evidence which became known as the Warren Commission's "Single Bullet Theory". This was to explain how Oswald was the one and only shooter, since that bullet (linked to Oswald's Mannlicher Carcano rifle) supposedly caused wounds in both Kennedy and Governor Conally.

Had it been known that the bullet never made it through Kennedy (being found in very good condition Behind him) different theories pointing to multiple shooters might have been considered.

 

[PrairieWind]

Whether Lee Harvey Oswald was a dedicated and full fleged operative of the CIA or FBI - or simply a "lone nut" that they knew of and tracked, the fact that those agencies withheld information from the Warren Commission, and later Congressional Committee investigation puts other information which they DID provide in question.

It is very likely that the CIA, FBI, the Secret Service and other agencies wished to cover up anything which would reflect badly on them.

The Secret Service prevented Dallas officials from conducting an autopsy. They immediately cleaned the interior of the Limousine and removed that whole crime scene from Texas. It was sent to Cincinnati, Ohio where it was substantially renovated and changed.

More recently, the last living member of the Secret Service detail, Paul Landis, stated that he had found the "magic bullet" in the Presidential Limousine between the rear seat and the trunk, and that it was he who placed it on the emergency room gurney or table on which Kennedy lay.

That bullet became the keystone piece of evidence which became known as the Warren Commission's "Single Bullet Theory". This was to explain how Oswald was the one and only shooter, since that bullet (linked to Oswald's Mannlicher Carcano rifle) supposedly caused wounds in both Kennedy and Governor Conally.

Had it been known that the bullet never made it through Kennedy (being found in very good condition Behind him) different theories pointing to multiple shooters might have been considered.

I'm not sure I believe Agent Landis at all on this.