TX TX - San Angelo, Twin Buttes Lake, "White Socks" Hisp/WhtMale, 17-27, UP408, Spina Bifida, Nov'87

[TheBlackParade]

New here! I'm going to try and go through cases but am new to sleuthing so I'm not sure what all I can do to help :/

As far as the DDP status goes... it seems like they are narrowing down the # of matches but the top match is still <50 cM. Isn't this still really far away in terms of direct relationships with the doe?

 

[Schmurm]

New here! I'm going to try and go through cases but am new to sleuthing so I'm not sure what all I can do to help :/

As far as the DDP status goes... it seems like they are narrowing down the # of matches but the top match is still <50 cM. Isn't this still really far away in terms of direct relationships with the doe?

Yes 50 cm will match to a lot of people. I'm not a DNA expert but I think that goes out to 5th cousins.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

I have a match at 49cM that's my mother's third cousin, for reference.

 

[folieadeuxnola]

It varies for sure .... great uncles children one is a top match the crest go further down. My great great great uncles great great great grandson shares a 30 cm with me. 30 can go a ways out but not to far

 

[djanga]

Ethnic admixture for Tom Green John Doe was added

 

[MadMcGoo]

That seems like a unique admixture compared to most of the ones I’ve seen.

 

[canteloupe]

I think there's a possibility that he might be Fabian del Rosario, missing August 1987 from Boulder, CO.

He's at the taller end of the range for the UID, but he has a lot of similarities. The teeth on 3D rendering and bear similarity to the exposed teeth in the image on Fabian's Charley Project page. Note: this image does not appear in the NamUs attachments.

I can't track down his family's place of origin at the moment, but he's originally from Miami and was studying at UC-Boulder and moonlighting, allegedly, as a cocaine trafficker. Perhaps he was derailed on a trip towards the US-Mexico border related to his alleged trafficking activities and wound up in San Angelo.

A few Miami-based Latin American friends of mine think that--given his surname, height, facial features, and admixture --he could easily be of Colombian descent. The greater Caribbean basin has a long, rich history of Chinese and Indian migration (both indentured and free), which would easily account for the breakdowns presented in the UID's admixture.

I do not currently see any exclusions in NamUs for this UID with Fabian, nor for Fabian with any Texas Does.

 

[MajorHoople]

I think there's a possibility that he might be Fabian del Rosario, missing August 1987 from Boulder, CO.

He's at the taller end of the range for the UID, but he has a lot of similarities. The teeth on 3D rendering and bear similarity to the exposed teeth in the image on Fabian's Charley Project page. Note: this image does not appear in the NamUs attachments.

I can't track down his family's place of origin at the moment, but he's originally from Miami and was studying at UC-Boulder and moonlighting, allegedly, as a cocaine trafficker. Perhaps he was derailed on a trip towards the US-Mexico border related to his alleged trafficking activities and wound up in San Angelo.

A few Miami-based Latin American friends of mine think that--given his surname, height, facial features, and admixture --he could easily be of Colombian descent. The greater Caribbean basin has a long, rich history of Chinese and Indian migration (both indentured and free), which would easily account for the breakdowns presented in the UID's admixture.

I do not currently see any exclusions in NamUs for this UID with Fabian, nor for Fabian with any Texas Does.

As soon as I saw your post I thought to check and see if we have a WS thread for Fabian del Rosario. We do, but it was locked after only one post for reasons unknown back in 2010. "Thread Status: Not open for further replies."

CO - Fabian Del Rosario (20) - Boulder CO, 1987

 

[Suglo]

As soon as I saw your post I thought to check and see if we have a WS thread for Fabian del Rosario. We do, but it was locked after only one post for reasons unknown back in 2010. "Thread Status: Not open for further replies."

CO - Fabian Del Rosario (20) - Boulder CO, 1987

All the threads under the Missing Children in America sub-forum seem to be locked. I know a new thread can be opened in the MiSSING sub-forum.

 

[Friday Fan]

That seems like a unique admixture compared to most of the ones I’ve seen.

I think he is South American...

My husband is Mexican-American and I spend time in GedMatch groups on FB. This is not a typical Mexican-American profile.
I don't see many Colombians on FB, but I see Brazilians.

I would be interested in seeing the actual percentages and Oracles

 

[ntt1]

I think he is South American...

My husband is Mexican-American and I spend time in GedMatch groups on FB. This is not a typical Mexican-American profile.
I don't see many Colombians on FB, but I see Brazilians.

I would be interested in seeing the actual percentages and Oracles

Here is the O4 report: 04-TomGreen.jpg

 

[Susikatze]

That seems like a unique admixture compared to most of the ones I’ve seen.

It looks like a Hispanic profile. Maybe Caribohispanic like Puerto Rico or such. Because the amount of Native and African are clearly there, but small compared to the Mediterranean part.
Mexico and mesoamerica has more Native admix, normally, though that is really regional.

 

[djanga]

It looks like a Hispanic profile. Maybe Caribohispanic like Puerto Rico or such. Because the amount of Native and African are clearly there, but small compared to the Mediterranean part.
Mexico and mesoamerica has more Native admix, normally, though that is really regional.

It was released that he is of Columbian and Spanish ancestry. Actually according to Tom Green co Sheriff's office, he is 60%European, 21% from North and Central America and 4% South America, I have attached the map of his ancestry, it is taken from Tom Green co Sheriff's office website, this update was made in May 2020

In May of 2019, John Doe's DNA was submitted to the DNA Doe Project with hopes of located any ancestors related to Doe. While close ancestors were not located, it was determined that Doe is of Columbian and European decent (see below). In December of 2019 Doe's remains were sent to University of South Florida for stable isotope analysis in order to determine where the Doe had been residing before his death. These tests are still ongoing.

Anyone with information regarding the identify of this John Doe and this case is asked to contact either Lt. Terry Lowe or Sgt. Billy Fiveash at the Tom Green Sheriff's Office (325)655-8111.

JOHN DOE UPDATE

 

[Susikatze]

Ah yeah they ran him through FtDNA. He could still be almost exclusively Colombian as Iberian accounts for 45% of his genetics. Which is found in Colombians just as well. I doubt one parent came from Spain, Spanish ancestry is part of the genetic history of Colombia (and the Hispanic world in general).
He has a bit of British Isles but that may be noise, id disregard it, FtDNA likes to give people British Isles somehow...

 

[Friday Fan]

The Andes Region of Colombia, which includes Bogota and Medellin is apparently known for Basque ancestors which might be why his GedMatch Oracle pointed to Basque and why FT DNA might have British Isles. It also probably explains his 60% European ancestry...at least...from this study's standpoint...

Since he is matching with someone in/from Colombia and they have not found other ancestors, then he might be from there. I just hope they can find a close enough match and find out who he is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Colombians
Basque Colombians - Wikipedia



Attached image from study
Outlining the Ancestry Landscape of Colombian Admixed Populations

 

[djanga]

From another press release :

Recently the Sheriff's Office was notified that the ethnicity breakdown from FTDNA shows a large European portion (mostly Spain) likely comes from those that colonized and settled in Central and South America. His mtDNA haplogroup also most closely represented a Columbian sample, so it's probably a good bet that he was from somewhere in this area.


John Doe- UPDATE

 

[carbuff]

As soon as I saw your post I thought to check and see if we have a WS thread for Fabian del Rosario. We do, but it was locked after only one post for reasons unknown back in 2010. "Thread Status: Not open for further replies."

CO - Fabian Del Rosario (20) - Boulder CO, 1987

The "missing children in America" section is for reference only. The discussion threads go in the "Missing Persons Discussion" section--so it sounds like he needs a new thread there.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

New highest match for Tom Green County John Doe in the DDP spreadsheet this week.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Tom Green Co John Doe - DNA Doe Project Cases

 

[Friday Fan]

View attachment 310999
New highest match for Tom Green County John Doe in the DDP spreadsheet this week.

Sadly, 10 months later, he is still at 67.1