TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[tlcya]

Let's everyone take a deep breath and remember how to scroll and roll. Address the post not the poster.

This is about Sandra Bland and her death while in police care and custody.

 

[Montjoy]

We are not allowed to post political blogs which is understandable. But I think the Guardian is pretty close to a political blog. They have a very leftist anti-cop agenda, imo. Here is their description:

rsbm -

The Guardian is one of Europe's finest newspapers. You may not be familiar with the way the press works in Europe -- most newspapers have political slants, and they do not hide them or deny them. It's just the way things are.

 

[KateB]

We are not allowed to post political blogs which is understandable. But I think the Guardian is pretty close to a political blog. They have a very leftist anti-cop agenda, imo. Here is their description:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardian
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The Guardian is a self-described centre-left British national daily newspaper. Founded in 1821 as a local paper replacing the radical Manchester Observer, ...

It's not a blog. It may lean just like all MSM leans. IMO.

 

[Curious Guy]

Let's everyone take a deep breath and remember how to scroll and roll. Address the post not the poster.

This is about Sandra Bland and her death while in police care and custody.

Good to see you tlcya. <modsnip>


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[cinsbythesea]

Just curious but are you aware of her history of defending the likes of Mike Brown? IMO they were both looking for a fight and it got out of control. It's easy to place all of the blame on the LEO because that is the narrative the MSM reports and so many jump on the bandwagon


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How does her having a history of "defending the likes of Mike Brown" have anything to do with any of this? A cop pulls her over on a minor stop, escalation of tension occurs, primarily due to the behaviors of the "professional" and we know the rest of the story. So what if she defended Mike Brown? Apples and oranges...

 

[bluesneakers]

rsbm -

The Guardian is one of Europe's finest newspapers. You may not be familiar with the way the press works in Europe -- most newspapers have political slants, and they do not hide them or deny them. It's just the way things are.

I thought the same thing. A respected newspaper that's been around for almost 200 years is nothing close to a political blog.

 

[katydid23]

It's not a blog. It may lean just like all MSM leans. IMO.

Right. Just sayin it is like Mother Jones it that it is not very objective in police matters.The article takes things that are already figured out and makes them seem 'suspicious.' Like the 9 minute 'gap' in the tape. It is motion-detected, so if no one walks by, no recording. The article tries to make that seem suspicious. Just one example.

 

[CoolJ]

Noncompliance to lawful order (step out of car) is even if in response to battling egos.

Why wasn't she charged with that offense then? Or wait a minute, is that what the assault charge was about. Did she get charged for assaulting a "peace" officer for telling him he had no right to tell her to get out of the car?

I mean, that is when he placed her under arrest. Holy bologna ! Is that what LE is now defining as assault on them?

 

[katydid23]

rsbm -

The Guardian is one of Europe's finest newspapers. You may not be familiar with the way the press works in Europe -- most newspapers have political slants, and they do not hide them or deny them. It's just the way things are.

RIGHT. The Guardian has a left leaning political stance. It's just the way it is. That is my point, thank you. It is not a very neutral or unbiased article as it is a left leaning, anti-cop, British publication.

 

[Goose22]

Does anyone have insight into how LEO are trained to deal with drivers who are annoyed and irritated when pulled over? I find it hard to believe Sandra was the first person this officer pulled over who was irritated, which makes me wonder how it's supposed to be handled.

 

[Curious Guy]

How does her having a history of "defending the likes of Mike Brown" have anything to do with any of this? A cop pulls her over on a minor stop, escalation of tension occurs, primarily due to the behaviors of the "professional" and we know the rest of the story. So what if she defended Mike Brown? Apples and oranges...

How does the history of the county troopers have anything to do with this? I see lots of high fives when that is linked


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[bluesneakers]

How does the history of the county troopers have anything to do with this? I see lots of high fives when that is linked


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Not an answer to her question. Try again.

 

[KateB]

Right. Just sayin it is like Mother Jones it that it is not very objective in police matters.The article takes things that are already figured out and makes them seem 'suspicious.' Like the 9 minute 'gap' in the tape. It is motion-detected, so if no one walks by, no recording. The article tries to make that seem suspicious. Just one example.

I find it helpful to look at both sides and determine what is supported and what is not. Remember the officer pulled his taser and threatened her before he pulled her out of the vehicle. So it's possible that simply defending herself became an assault charge.

 

[katydid23]

I find it helpful to look at both sides and determine what is supported and what is not. Remember the officer pulled his taser and threatened her before he pulled her out of the vehicle. So it's possible that simply defending herself became an assault charge.

I totally agree about looking at both sides. I just wonder if the National Review, for example, would be allowed here to look at the other POV. I wouldn't think so.

 

[Curious Guy]

Why wasn't she charged with that offense then? Or wait a minute, is that what the assault charge was about. Did she get charged for assaulting a "peace" officer for telling him he had no right to tell her to get out of the car?

I mean, that is when he placed her under arrest. Holy bologna ! Is that what LE is now defining as assault on them?

<modsnip>Not one person here is happy she is deceased. The hysterical overreaction to this is either contrived for political reasons(likely) or based on emotions . <modsnip>


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[katydid23]

I find it helpful to look at both sides and determine what is supported and what is not. Remember the officer pulled his taser and threatened her before he pulled her out of the vehicle. So it's possible that simply defending herself became an assault charge.

Also, as I have stated many times, I think the officer was WRONG for losing his cool and escalating things.

 

[cinsbythesea]

Does anyone have insight into how LEO are trained to deal with drivers who are annoyed and irritated when pulled over? I find it hard to believe Sandra was the first person this officer pulled over who was irritated, which makes me wonder how it's supposed to be handled.

I asked my SO just that today. He's losing his patience with my questions about law enforcement training, techniques etc but he did say they teach you in the academy, which is about four months long here in CA, how to deal with it. But then he said, after those short four months, you get out and you have an FTO (field training officer). His FTO's advice to him was "handle aggression with aggression." He gave the example that if he was on a traffic stop and someone said "Here, take my f'ing license and registration" and throws it out the car at him, that could be construed, in his FTO's opinion as "aggression" and he could then haul the "aggressor" out of the car and meet aggression with aggression. I about threw up. Hopefully things have changed since he went through his FTO training some 20+ years ago and that's not the norm. But he did emphasize the academy training is short and "things change" once you're out on the street actually dealing with people day after day. We ended up in our usual "discussion" about law enforcement and their techniques...

I get the strong sense he fervently wishes I had never read about the Sandra Bland case...

 

[4senthia]

IMO if Sandra Bland had been in a sophisticated cell w/camera pointed@her recording 24 hours a day, that in itself would have been an intrusion.
I know it would make me angry unless I was actually in an institution under suicide watch.
I agree that maybe she should have been. Hindsight is 20/20.
And for the sake of everyone, I wish she had of been.
As to so much action taking place outside of the dashcam view, frankly some of that was her doing.
Once she was over/on the sidewalk he told her to "come here" motioning back into the dashcam line of site several times.
I am so very sorry her family had to bury a young woman today.
I'm having difficulty w/the toxicology myself. Only thing I can think of is hash oil, wax or some other form of edible.
This was so very preventable.
jmho

 

[cinsbythesea]

<modsnip>Not one person here is happy she is deceased. The hysterical overreaction to this is either contrived for political reasons(likely) or based on emotions . <modsnip>


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Her attitude was escalated by the cop who pulled her over. I don't know if you've ever been pulled over but I have and no matter how pleasant the cop I engage in minimal to no conversation and what conversation I do have is terse at best. This cop ASKED her if she was irritated, she said yes, she explained why, which seemed to annoy him and he was off and running on his power trip from there. Do you really think her actions were any worse than his?? Do you really think he was calm, cool and level-headed consummate professional who didn't contribute to this whole situation getting out of hand?

 

[Confusion]

Does anyone have insight into how LEO are trained to deal with drivers who are annoyed and irritated when pulled over? I find it hard to believe Sandra was the first person this officer pulled over who was irritated, which makes me wonder how it's supposed to be handled.

I'm not an LEO, but I do know the difference between assertiveness and aggression. It's true that she could have lied and said she was just having a bad day, but I see nothing wrong with giving an honest answer to a question. What I do have a problem with is his reaction to her answer. I see no reason why he couldn't have just said something like "I can understand that, I don't think anyone enjoys legal troubles. Unfortunately, my job is to enforce all laws for the protection of all people." I personally wouldn't feel a response like that would be either confrontational or condescending.

MOO