TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[Friday Fan]

But when it comes to the law, police should not give polite law breakers a "pass".

Snipped for emphasis....

I was going 80 mph on I-10. (Speed limit was either 55 or 65) I was traveling between Kerrville and San Antonio. (A distance of 60 miles) I was visiting one son who had moved to Kerrville and was rushing home to pic up my youngest son from school. I sweet talked the DPS trooper out of a ticket.

I deserved the ticket. Of course, I didn't want it.

 

[kimlynn]

Respectfully,
1) Trooper tells her hello and why he stopped her, asked if she had her DL and insur then says Whats wrong? She already had some issue for him to ask that. JMHO around start at 2:40 http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-new-sandra-bland-video--20150722-story.html#page=1
2) SB stated that she got here yesterday when Trooper BE asked how long has she been in Texas.
3) SB own words were she was irritated, not amused/playful.
4) SB was defensive when she asked why she had to put the cig out in her own car.

I didn't post that her tone was amused or playful when she explained why she was irritated. I said her tone (IMO) was playful/amused when she said she was waiting for him.
One came before the other in the video. The 'I'm waiting for you' came before the explanation of why she was irritated.
Of course she wasn't playful or amused while explaining why she was irritated.
IMO

 

[BritsKate]

I do not want to look at any quotes , but it is my impression that her death is not mourned, but rather justifications are found for the LE behavior and snarking on her behavior.

I have an FB post that she asked 14 times why she was being arrested. Is that true?

And if LE stopped me and I gave them the required paperwork, I would be a wreck because as much as I try to organize, I put things in a safe order and then cannot remember what the safe place was.

She may have thought she gave him her license as I am sure a thousand things were going through her mind.

Right now, I am not exactly sure where my proof of insurance is in the multiple places in my wallet. I have the cab card in my glove compartment, but in what? With my car manuals? My receipts for car repairs or with my First Aid Kit? What did I decide months ago?

Indeed but for me it goes further too. How is someone who is mentally ill supposed to react, assuming she was? You can't have it both ways, in my opinion, and call her mentally unstable because she committed suicide but then expect her to react to Brian Encina as though she is in full function of her faculties.

 

[TorisMom003]

I do not want to look at any quotes , but it is my impression that her death is not mourned, but rather justifications are found for the LE behavior and snarking on her behavior.

I have an FB post that she asked 14 times why she was being arrested. Is that true?

And if LE stopped me and I gave them the required paperwork, I would be a wreck because as much as I try to organize, I put things in a safe order and then cannot remember what the safe place was.

She may have thought she gave him her license as I am sure a thousand things were going through her mind.

Right now, I am not exactly sure where my proof of insurance is in the multiple places in my wallet. I have the cab card in my glove compartment, but in what? With my car manuals? My receipts for car repairs or with my First Aid Kit? What did I decide months ago?

BBM

In the dash cam video Ms. Bland can be heard saying she thought she handed him her drivers license when she handed him the other papers.

 

[kimlynn]

Like I said---there was more than just the testimony of the female officer. There was also another officer on the scene. And she wasn't being charged with 'Failure to put out a cigarette'.

The other officer was BE and he is also on administrative(desk duty) leave. There were some videos the other day that showed a male officer arriving well after the "kicking" incident. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

BBM

In the dash cam video Ms. Bland can be heard saying she thought she handed him her drivers license when she handed him the other papers.

That's what I heard as well. IMO

 

[EllieBee]

Indeed but for me it goes further too. How is someone who is mentally ill supposed to react, assuming she was? You can't have it both ways, in my opinion, and call her mentally unstable because she committed suicide but then expect her to react to Brian Encina as though she is in full function of her faculties.

You make a good point, but I still believe her reaction towards the end of that stop,while not perhaps the wisest, was still understandable.

I have a pretty long fuse, but I think I would have really had to struggle with my shock and anger if some cop was screaming at me and threatening to "light me up".

 

[Friday Fan]

ETA: Duh, I forgot to respond to your question about why he wanted her out of the car. So sorry. It could be a similar situation - at that point, after what has transpired, his preference was to have her out of the car. For whatever reason, he maybe felt safer. Many people question that, but until one really puts themselves in that situation, it's hard to understand. I'm not sticking up for him, please understand. Just trying to voice the experience that in that given situation, that is going downhill, he wanted her out of the car, out of concern for the reaction he was getting from her. He's entitled to ask her. I'm already anticipating some here will disagree with that, and think I'm finding "safety" as his excuse. No...I'm saying that at the time, he may have been asking himself why he's getting such the reaction from her, and doesn't know and would feel better pulling her out (bad choice of my words in this point!). There's a reason why traffic stops are hazardous, and it's because there is much unknown of the person and their items in their vehicle.

I'm thinking when he ran her plates, he saw the MJ convictions. He may have been trying to see if she was intoxicated or had MJ in the car. I think that is why he wanted her out of the car. However, he didn't say that to her. He didn't give her a reason. The other car he stopped was on a busier stretch and he didn't ask the other driver to get out of the car.

 

[kimlynn]

Trooper BE told whoever he was speaking with on cellphone, that when he went back to SB car, that she was still mad, and looking straight ahead, irritated wouldn't look at him

Like a toddler crying to mommy. So what she wouldn't look at you BE? He needs to grow up. IMO

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Texas Prosecutor Announces Committee of Outside Lawyers to Review Sandra Bland Case[/h]
The group will "review evidence as it comes in" on both Bland's initial arrest and her untimely death, Waller County District Attorney Elton Mathis said at an afternoon news conference.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...w&hootPostID=61cd8d2ef430fb1225526fde29dbd93c

 

[Rocco]

The other officer was BE and he is also on administrative(desk duty) leave. There were some videos the other day that showed a male officer arriving well after the "kicking" incident. IMO

The other officer I was referring to was not BE. It was the officer that arrived later and asked BE if he was ok.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I'm thinking when he ran her plates, he saw the MJ convictions. He may have been trying to see if she was intoxicated or had MJ in the car. I think that is why he wanted her out of the car. However, he didn't say that to her. He didn't give her a reason. The other car he stopped was on a busier stretch and he didn't ask the other driver to get out of the car.

Could be. Except for, he didn't ask her out right away, correct? Even after he got her DL return. I think it was only after it went south. The encounter started out cordial enough, correct?
And that other car, I don't consider them the same. He probably doesn't ask every driver to get out. As I stated in my original post, it was after it went downhill, he's losing control, she's being negative, and he's not handling the losing control of the scene/stop well. Then he's asking her out of the car, maybe trying to gain control of the situation again. Did he handle it well? Obviously not, understatement.

 

[kimlynn]

The other officer I was referring to was not BE. It was the officer that arrived later and asked BE if he was ok.

The female officer,right? The post you responded to was saying that she was on administrative leave. How much weight would you give her testimony?
Or that of BE?

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Like a toddler crying to mommy. So what she wouldn't look at you BE? He needs to grow up. IMO

Actually, that is a good descriptor to another officer. Behavior is important, so the other officer understands the scene better. IF that is a responding officer or supervisor on the cell phone. I hope that makes sense.

 

[kimlynn]

Could be. Except for, he didn't ask her out right away, correct? Even after he got her DL return. I think it was only after it went south. The encounter started out cordial enough, correct?
And that other car, I don't consider them the same. He probably doesn't ask every driver to get out. As I stated in my original post, it was after it went downhill, he's losing control, she's being negative, and he's not handling the losing control of the scene/stop well. Then he's asking her out of the car, maybe trying to gain control of the situation again. Did he handle it well? Obviously not, understatement.

He lost control because she answered a question...how sad. He needs to go. IMO

 

[kimlynn]

Actually, that is a good descriptor to another officer. Behavior is important, so the other officer understands the scene better. IF that is a responding officer or supervisor on the cell phone. I hope that makes sense.

What does her not looking at him have to do with her being guilty of anything? A person doesn't have to make eye contact with another if they don't care to do so. IMO

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

He lost control because she answered a question...how sad. He needs to go. IMO

He didn't handle the scene appropriately, absolutely correct. It's ugly to watch, and may be one of those "what not to do" training videos for many classes in the future. I am NOT being flippant about that, as this is serious. It is a sad case of losing control of your stop.
I'd bet just on that situation alone (traffic stop only), he'd be getting a serious suspension, remedial training and/or counseling, or termination (depending on where he was in his employment, what his previous record has been, supervisor reviews and supervisor/chain of command recommendations).

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

What does her not looking at him have to do with her being guilty of anything? A person doesn't have to make eye contact with another if they don't care to do so. IMO

I didn't say her not looking at him made her guilty of anything...he was describing her behavior to someone. It's good to do for any responding officer to the scene, or in a report, or to a supervisor. It's just that, relaying of info of her behavior.

 

[Nova]

Could be. Except for, he didn't ask her out right away, correct? Even after he got her DL return. I think it was only after it went south. The encounter started out cordial enough, correct?
And that other car, I don't consider them the same. He probably doesn't ask every driver to get out. As I stated in my original post, it was after it went downhill, he's losing control, she's being negative, and he's not handling the losing control of the scene/stop well. Then he's asking her out of the car, maybe trying to gain control of the situation again. Did he handle it well? Obviously not, understatement.

Deputy, as always I very much appreciate your calm and even-handed discussion of matters related to LE conduct. You are a great asset here at WS and very much representative of my personal interactions with members of LE. (Which is not to say I doubt the many stories of abuses by others. The tapes don't lie.)

 

[kimlynn]

I didn't say her not looking at him made her guilty of anything...he was describing her behavior to someone. It's good to do for any responding officer to the scene, or in a report, or to a supervisor. It's just that, relaying of info of her behavior.

Normally I would agree with you, but I think he was using it to excuse his behavior. IMO