TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[TorisMom003]

Respectfully BBM, I would encourage you to watch again, at the 1:18 mark Sandra Bland doesn't stop at the stop sign, that you can see is a stop sign when the Trooper makes the U~Turn in that spot. He then speeds up to her, JMHO because of the redacted part, runs her plate info, prior to stopping her. Sandra Bland changes lanes and didn't use her turn signal. All with few minutes shy of 1 min from her running stop sign. JMHO from the dash cam video. View attachment 78931

And yet that is not what she was pulled over for, not given a ticket or warning for and not even mentioned by BE when he stopped her. Either BE didn't see it or he "let it slide". My guess is BE didn't see it.

 

[TorisMom003]

How could Trooper BE ~LOOK HER SQUARE IN THE FACE????

CANNON LAMBERT: When I look at Sandy and I see that she is doing nothing more than saying, "I want to be treated the right way, I want to be treated equal," I say, "I celebrate you, sister." That’s the way I see it. I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with making a stand when it comes to being treated fairly. You know, it is hard for me to get beyond the fact that this officer that stopped her made a U-turn right after looking her right square in her face, as she made a right-hand turn to go about her business. She didn’t do anything wrong when she made the right-hand turn. She didn’t do anything wrong when she was traversing down the street. It looked very much like she was targeted.http://www.democracynow.org/2015/7/27/sandra_bland_laid_to_rest_first

BE leaned down and looked into the passenger window when requesting and receiving the required documents. Was Ms. Bland looking ahead instead of in BE's face when handing him the documents? If she looked at him then he looked at her in the face.

MOO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Multiple Texas law experts told Mashable that police officers in Texas can legally order a person to get out of a car for violating most traffic laws — including failure to signal a lane change, which is why Encinia stopped Bland.
'You can get arrested for a dirty license plate in Texas," Peter Schulte, an attorney and former police officer in Texas, told Mashable.

http://mashable.com/2015/07/22/sandra-bland-fatal-arrest/

Dashcam video seems to show Bland ran a stop sign before Encinia stopped her. Having watched the video, Schulte believes that's why Encinia made a U-turn and followed Bland's car. But, as he points out, Encinia doesn't mention the stop sign to Bland. Encinia says he stopped her after she changed lanes without using a turn signal. He had planned to issue her a warning.

"Once [officers] make a decision about how they're going to finish out a traffic stop, you don't change that decision unless there are extraordinary circumstances," Schulte said. "These aren't extraordinary circumstances."

 

[arkansasmimi]

BE leaned down and looked into the passenger window when requesting and receiving the required documents. Was Ms. Bland looking ahead instead of in BE's face when handing him the documents? If she looked at him then he looked at her in the face.

MOO

Respectfully, the traffic stop had already happened when Trooper BE looked into the passenger window. Family Attorney is saying that in the split second that Trooper saw her run the stop sign, he looked her in the face and targeted her.

 

[cinsbythesea]

Respectfully, the traffic stop had already happened when Trooper BE looked into the passenger window. Family Attorney is saying that in the split second that Trooper saw her run the stop sign, he looked her in the face and targeted her.

I thought he pulled her over because she failed to signal she was changing lanes? I didn't hear him say anything about not stopping at the stop sign. Did I miss something?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Feel free to watch the video and transcribe it while watching it. Someone will have to sit down and do it in order to get a full transcription.

:coffeews: I did for my own use.... have bald spots to prove it ullhair: I was wishing for an MSM that we can link to...:lookingitup: Of the ones I have seen, one says she got here "today" she said "yesterday", another leaves out "if you dont mind", another says "purse" when Trooper asks if she has anything illegal on "her person"

 

[kimlynn]

Respectfully snipped, and the portion I am referencing I underlined.

We can only see Trooper BE from the dash cam until the point Sandra Bland decided to get out of her car. So we can not fully judge on body language for the full video. We don't know what her body language was. There was some reason that led Trooper BE to ask her what was wrong at the initial contact. I don't get the impression it was a positive form of body language to have asked whats wrong. JMHO

To be fair he also inquires of the previous driver as to her well being. So I don't see this as an indication of anything. IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I thought he pulled her over because she failed to signal she was changing lanes? I didn't hear him say anything about not stopping at the stop sign. Did I miss something?

Nope, didn't miss not on him saying anything to her about running stop sign, but she did. She also didn't use her turn signal, which is what he was going to give her a Warning for. They both knew she ran the stop sign, she ran it and he turned around in front of it. If he was going to "target" her, wouldn't he have gave her a ticket for running the stop sign AND non use of turn signal? He very well could have. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

To be fair he also inquires of the previous driver as to her well being. So I don't see this as an indication of anything. IMO

Agree, but in that instance he also had to reasonably had a reason to ask also. I mean, personally I don't think people just ask are you ok, unless there is a reason to ask. JMHO

 

[kimlynn]

Nope, didn't miss not on him saying anything to her about running stop sign, but she did. She also didn't use her turn signal, which is what he was going to give her a Warning for. They both knew she ran the stop sign, she ran it and he turned around in front of it. If he was going to "target" her, wouldn't he have gave her a ticket for running the stop sign AND non use of turn signal? He very well could have. JMHO

If he had he would have 'lit her up' while doing his cute little u-turn. I guess the rules of the road didn't apply to him. IMO

 

[cinsbythesea]

Nope, didn't miss not on him saying anything to her about running stop sign, but she did. She also didn't use her turn signal, which is what he was going to give her a Warning for. They both knew she ran the stop sign, she ran it and he turned around in front of it. If he was going to "target" her, wouldn't he have gave her a ticket for running the stop sign AND non use of turn signal? He very well could have. JMHO

Her running the stop sign is new to me - but it seems it would have been less of a *bogus* (my term for his pulling her over for failing to signal) stop if he had actually pulled her over for failing to stop at a stop sign. Kinda weird that he didn't cite her for that - IMO one is less likely to react defensively when failing to stop at a stop sign than for being pulled over for failure to signal on what looked to be a not heavily trafficked street...

 

[kimlynn]

Agree, but in that instance he also had to reasonably had a reason to ask also. I mean, personally I don't think people just ask are you ok, unless there is a reason to ask. JMHO

I think it was just a nervous habit/tic of his. Kind of like 'are you okay, not mad at me or anything' Are we good sort of thing.

 

[KaaBoom]

Respectfully BBM, I would encourage you to watch again, at the 1:18 mark Sandra Bland doesn't stop at the stop sign, that you can see is a stop sign when the Trooper makes the U~Turn in that spot. He then speeds up to her, JMHO because of the redacted part, runs her plate info, prior to stopping her. Sandra Bland changes lanes and didn't use her turn signal. All with few minutes shy of 1 min from her running stop sign. JMHO from the dash cam video. View attachment 78931

She was stopped for failure to signal a lane change. There is zero evidence that the cop saw her run the stop sign. Just because it's in the video, doesn't mean that he noticed her do it.

 

[kimlynn]

Respectfully, the traffic stop had already happened when Trooper BE looked into the passenger window. Family Attorney is saying that in the split second that Trooper saw her run the stop sign, he looked her in the face and targeted her.

We didn't see the entire stop from the previous driver and we don't know for a fact he didn't have her exit her vehicle,but it was at shown to be at the same point (giving the warning) that he asked SB to step out of her car.
That indicates to me that he didn't ask the other driver to leave her vehicle in order to give her the warning ticket. IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

If he had he would have 'lit her up' while doing his cute little u-turn. I guess the rules of the road didn't apply to him. IMO

Do you mean, as in turned on his lights? How do we know when he turned them on?

 

[kimlynn]

Do you mean, as in turned on his lights? How do we know when he turned them on?

I read an article (can't find it now) that the lights activate the audio. His audio came on during the turn signal pull over. IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Her running the stop sign is new to me - but it seems it would have been less of a *bogus* (my term for his pulling her over for failing to signal) stop if he had actually pulled her over for failing to stop at a stop sign. Kinda weird that he didn't cite her for that - IMO one is less likely to react defensively when failing to stop at a stop sign than for being pulled over for failure to signal on what looked to be a not heavily trafficked street...

Respectfully BBM, may be a bogus but its a real law....

Sec. 545.104. SIGNALING TURNS; USE OF TURN SIGNALS. (a) An operator shall use the signal authorized by Section 545.106 to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes, or start from a parked position.
(b) An operator intending to turn a vehicle right or left shall signal continuously for not less than the last 100 feet of movement of the vehicle before the turn.
(c) An operator may not light the signals on only one side of the vehicle on a parked or disabled vehicle or use the signals as a courtesy or "do pass" signal to the operator of another vehicle approaching from the rear.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/TN/htm/TN.545.htm


Sec. 544.010. STOP SIGNS AND YIELD SIGNS. (a) Unless directed to proceed by a police officer or traffic-control signal, the operator of a vehicle or streetcar approaching an intersection with a stop sign shall stop as provided by Subsection (c).
(b) If safety requires, the operator of a vehicle approaching a yield sign shall stop as provided by Subsection (c).
(c) An operator required to stop by this section shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection. In the absence of a crosswalk, the operator shall stop at a clearly marked stop line. In the absence of a stop line, the operator shall stop at the place nearest the intersecting roadway where the operator has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/TN/htm/TN.544.htm

**disclaimer, these may have been updated but haven't seen in a quick search.

 

[kimlynn]

Now that a little time has passed, I am even more flabbergasted at how he treated her.

To tell her he is going to yank her out of her car and light her up. Knee in her back.

I imagine the whole thing was too unreal. So classic of the power hungry person.

The idea that SB suspected she may have PTSD was new information to me. I was guessing that she might just the other night in my posting.
If only BE had taken the time to calmly answer her questions versus yelling and grabbing at her.
If he had explained what he was doing and why I'm sure we would have had a much different ending.IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think it was just a nervous habit/tic of his. Kind of like 'are you okay, not mad at me or anything' Are we good sort of thing.

I have no idea, nothing to go by but what is said and seen on the video. Anything else is changing the fact of what is said and speculation on our part. JMHO

 

[KaaBoom]

So am I understanding correctly, that it is the Traffic Stop that will be going to the Grand Jury after the Investigation?

Anything that happened at the Jail is separate issue, not pertaining to Trooper BE. JMHO, that's where a lot of people are having issues, they are two separate situations. I do understand that she wouldn't be in jail if hadn't been for the arrest, but she was a participant in the getting arrested. And it's not Trooper BE fault that she committed suicide.

So, IF, he were to be indicted by the Grand Jury, curious what they could indict him for? Any thoughts. Honest and Serious question.

With all due respect, if he had not arrested her on this ridicules trumped up charge, she would have been on her way to her first day of work at her new job on that Monday morning. Instead she was rotting in jail with no hope of getting out. I think it's a safe bet that his arresting her was the cause of her suicide.

So yes, it is his fault. If he had done his job the way he should have, he would have just handed her the warning and walked back to his car, the same way he did with his previous stop. He was finished. He had no right to detain her after that.

As for charges. For one, he could be brought up on federal civil rights charges, but he won't be. Instead there will be a civil trial and the police department will make a large payout to her family. Thats what ALWAYS happens. The police in this country love to violate people civil rights, and then pay out billions of dollars in settlements. Because what the hell, it's not their money. It's just tax payer's money.