TX - Sandra Bland, 28, found dead in jail cell, Waller County, 13 July 2015 #2

[kimlynn]

:goodpost: Sounds like that could be very possible for the dash cam. I gonna check see what find. But that doesn't mean he wasn't running her tags.

I found it.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/sandra-bland-video-legal-but-not-good-policing

From the article:

Here’s what we see in the video: After issuing a warning ticket in an earlier traffic stop, Trooper Brian Encinia is driving through an intersection to within several car lengths of a vehicle in front of him, Sandra Bland’s car. Seconds later, Bland changes from the left lane to the right lane, but she does so without signaling. Within ten seconds, Encinia pulls behind her and activates his overhead lights (this is when the audio recording comes online, which happens automatically when the lights are activated). About 20 seconds after the lane change, Bland has pulled over.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Respectfully the 'Cause of death' would be asphyxia due to hanging.

The 'Manner of death' is actually a medical OPINION based on the findings during the autopsy.


Manner of death has been successfully argued in court before in many cases and overturned or changed from suicide to homicide.

If the jail has video of her hanging herself; well then this is simply over. But I don't know if they do.


https://www.harriscountytx.gov/ifs/cause.aspx

Respectfully, the orig comment that I was replying to:

Originally Posted by KaaBoom View Post
Exactly, it was so simple. All he had to do was swallow his pride, say, "Here is your citation. Have a nice day" and walk away. But instead he had to turn it into a federal case, and now a woman is dead and tax payers are out at least a million dollars.

And my comment, meaning Trooper BE didn't kill her, she committed suicide, per the official reports we have. Respectfully, I stand by my comment.

Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
Respectfully BBM, dead because she committed suicide. Per Official Autopsy Report. Family has not proven otherwise, as far as I know, they havent released their Independent Autopsy Report.

 

[kimlynn]

BBM

I have followed at least 5 cases on WS that ended in suicide. The reasons for an individual's choice to commit suicide are complex and unique to that person. How they perceive and process their situation is what causes them to choose suicide. It is absolutely unfair, inappropriate and cruel to blame anyone or say that they were a contributing factor.

I will say JMO, but online research would help to educate about the causes of suicide.

I think it's very fair to say the arrest and what happened before the arrest may have been a contributing factor. For a person predisposed to suicidal thoughts,this could have been the icing on the cake that set her down that road.
No one could be charged for her death but I do think this was the topper that put it in motion. IMO

 

[rob]

Nope, didn't miss not on him saying anything to her about running stop sign, but she did. She also didn't use her turn signal, which is what he was going to give her a Warning for. They both knew she ran the stop sign, she ran it and he turned around in front of it. If he was going to "target" her, wouldn't he have gave her a ticket for running the stop sign AND non use of turn signal? He very well could have. JMHO

I drive a lot in my job, many times late at night. I have been stopped more times than I can count. Many tickets, many warnings. Once, I stopped to get gas late at night in a very busy area, very well lit (which is why I chose to stop there). When I left the station, got back on the road, then quickly exited to get back on the interstate, as I hit the exit, I realized I didn't have my lights on, and quickly turned them on. Just as quickly I say the blue lights in my rear view. The Officer was very nice, asked for my info, asked where I was going and what was in my McD's cup. I answered all questions and added that I realized I had forgotten to turn my lights back on. He said that was why he had stopped me, as many drunks drivers forget their lights. He gave me a warning and let me go. All that is to say, I think they stop people when they see them do something off, just to see if all is clear with the driver.
One thing I learned early, no matter what, be polite and respectful, and the results will be better. Most cops who stop me now are young enough to be my sons, but I am still respectful of them.
All MOO only.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I have viewed the videos and have been reading this blog for days. I have some questions that I wish the media would have addressed;

Did Sandra Bland have a drivers license? In the video the policeman asks for license and registration and you can see thru the back window her hand something to him. He examines and then asks for her drivers license again. She replies something, perhaps "didn't I give that to you?" He replies "No mam". After a bit she mumbles something but you do NOT see her handing him anything. He replies OKAY.

If she had a valid drivers license, where is the photo? We saw Jodi Arias's drivers license?

Did the college actually hire her? Or was she hired pending drug test and background check?

Was there a bench warrant for her for failure to pay past fines and court costs? I know someone who was arrested and taken to jail for an outstanding unpaid traffic ticket. It was paid and she was able to provide proof at court.

Has the media become just another "Entertainment Show"? It seems like more and more they jump without verifying just so that they can become the FIRST to report on a story. Sensationalism is the rule of the day!

Were there drug tests upon entering jail? During her stay there? Where are the results?

She went before a judge and had the bond set. Where are those records?

I do not like partial stories that are full of accusations!

When the Trooper is getting her DL/Insur stuff, JMHO it seems she thought she gave gave him her DL, and didn't by mistake, and she gives to him ( we cant understand what she says, but he says it's ok or that's ok, I took it as she may have said something like sorry I thought I gave it to you and he was just acknowledging it JMHO )

Her TX DL was listed on the arrest report and on the Book in Report. ** she also had a TX ID, and 2 IL DL's which is odd, it list 2 IL DL on property report, yet number are same just diff variations.

As far as if she was actually hired or was awaiting drug screen/background check... I don't think we know the honest truth to that. JMHO I would as a parent if my child attended would want to know, especially with the tox report and her saying she just got to TX yesterday.... yet has a TX DL and TX ID? And still has her IL DL?? Guess she had them in her bra, no purse with her on property report either.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

rsbm

Who said that she was executed? Certainly not KaaBoom in the post you quoted -- perhaps you should review it.

KaaBoom's Quote:

"She committed a crime far greater then any of those. The only crime in America, that can get you executed with no trial. She disrespected a police officer.'

 

[arkansasmimi]

I think it's very fair to say the arrest and what happened before the arrest may have been a contributing factor. For a person predisposed to suicidal thoughts,this could have been the icing on the cake that set her down that road.
No one could be charged for her death but I do think this was the topper that put it in motion. IMO

She was ready to go to court...so she said... topper could have been many things, she had spoken to at least 3 people we know of, and one of those, the bail bondsman, said he called her Mother. So that's 4 people and her friend (one of the 4) said he spoke to her and also had 2 missed calls... one had the vm that media got ahold of. Here she was sitting in jail and no one coming to her rescue.... or could have been all the above. We don't know. Unless she left behind we will never know.

 

[kimlynn]

She was ready to go to court...so she said... topper could have been many things, she had spoken to at least 3 people we know of, and one of those, the bail bondsman, said he called her Mother. So that's 4 people and her friend (one of the 4) said he spoke to her and also had 2 missed calls... one had the vm that media got ahold of. Here she was sitting in jail and no one coming to her rescue.... or could have been all the above. We don't know. Unless she left behind we will never know.

Yes all of that. But if she hadn't been arrested none of this would have happened. She wouldn't need the help of family or friends to rescue her.
I know some think she was where she needed to be but I don't see it that way at all.
I think BE over reached and made up a charge to suit his actions.
She had plenty of time to mull over her woes while sitting in jail and also her interactions with BE.
It got the best of her. IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

RSBM

And it's actions like Encinia's and the people paid to provide her with safe custody that lead to costly investigations, huge lawsuits, job dismissals, and even more distrust of Law Enforcement officers by the public at large.

All things considered, I really don't understand how people think that her being uncivil to a LEO is more consequential that what he did -- but maybe it's just me...I really find victim blaming to be disgusting and shameful.

Who is she a victim of? There were no injuries found on her showing she had been abused by the law enforcement officer.

And there is no evidence that any of the jailers had a part in her suicide. In fact one of the women who was in jail with her said the jailers were very nice to Sandra.

Saying how she conducted herself on that day is not victim blaming. Its just what happened.

What amazes me is she can act like a pure horse's butt to the officer but everything was all his fault according to some. It seems she is hailed for being rude, condescending, and disrespectful even cussing up a blue streak, and that's ok as long as the police officer gets blamed for all of it. If she hadn't had such a chip on her shoulder that day none of this would have ever happened. She would have gotten her warning ticket and been on her way.

I said from the very beginning she had an nasty attitude that day and she was able to push his frustration button and they both were wrong but supporting her rude behavior that day as if it was heroic is also disgusting and shameful to me.

I don't know why but in all cases like this lately the 'victim' as some refer to them as..... all of a sudden become perfect in everyway and are completely without any fault whatsoever. We have seen this happen ever since Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and was shot.

If you think she was totally without fault then that is your right of course to believe that but I can see and hear for myself that she wasn't, and hiding it doesn't erase it either.

IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yes all of that. But if she hadn't been arrested none of this would have happened. She wouldn't need the help of family or friends to rescue her.
I know some think she was where she needed to be but I don't see it that way at all.
I think BE over reached and made up a charge to suit his actions.
She had plenty of time to mull over her woes while sitting in jail and also her interactions with BE.
It got the best of her. IMO

:deadhorse: BUT IF she had not broken the law to begin with, we would not be having this discussion. She initiated the whole thing. Doesn't matter how may cars the dignitary at her funeral saw breaking the same law on his way there, or how many people think its stupid that he pulled her over. That's the bottom line. Sandra Bland Broke the law. I looked up and posted the statue that says what your suppose to do.

Again I think they are both at fault on how thing escalated, but she failed to be a law abiding citizen ... so she got pulled over

 

[Night-owl]

Preliminary Toxicology Report for Sandra Bland http://www.scribd.com/doc/272755306/Preliminary-Toxicology-Report-for-Sandra-Bland
Would her medication if she truly was taking not show up on the tox report??
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It looks like they are just screening for some common drugs of abuse in that report. Not sure if a full report, including if she has theraputic drugs on board has been released.

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[kimlynn]

BUT IF she had not broken the law to begin with, we would not be having this discussion. That's the bottom line. Sandra Bland Broke the law. She initiated the whole thing.

She didn't use her turn signal and how many people are actually ordered out of their cars for that type of infraction and later arrested.
Is there any proof she kicked BE....none that I'm aware of. IMO

 

[Night-owl]

The idea that SB suspected she may have PTSD was new information to me. I was guessing that she might just the other night in my posting.
If only BE had taken the time to calmly answer her questions versus yelling and grabbing at her.
If he had explained what he was doing and why I'm sure we would have had a much different ending.IMO

Found that odd too. I dot think she had a diagnosis from a professional for PTSD. But people get that from something.

I wonder what SB experienced in the past that left her traumatized?

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[kimlynn]

Who is she a victim of? There were no injuries found on her showing she had been abused by the law enforcement officer.

And there is no evidence that any of the jailers had a part in her suicide. In fact one of the women who was in jail with her said the jailers were very nice to Sandra.

Saying how she conducted herself on that day is not victim blaming. Its just what happened.

What amazes me is she can act like a pure horse's butt to the officer but everything was all his fault according to some. It seems she is hailed for being rude, condescending, and disrespectful even cussing up a blue streak, and that's ok as long as the police officer gets blamed for all of it. If she hadn't had such a chip on her shoulder that day none of this would have ever happened. She would have gotten her warning ticket and been on her way.

I said from the very beginning she had an nasty attitude that day and she was able to push his frustration button and they both were wrong but supporting her rude behavior that day as if it was heroic is also disgusting and shameful to me.

I don't know why but in all cases like this lately the 'victim' as some refer to them as..... all of a sudden become perfect in everyway and are completely without any fault whatsoever. We have seen this happen ever since Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson and was shot.

If you think she was totally without fault then that is your right of course to believe that but I can see and hear for myself that she wasn't, and hiding it doesn't erase it either.

IMO

I think both were trying to one up the other that day. BE because he wanted her to comply and his ego got bruised. SB cussing to appear tough so BE wouldn't see her as weak and easily abused.IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BUT IF she had not broken the law to begin with, we would not be having this discussion. That's the bottom line. Sandra Bland Broke the law. She initiated the whole thing.

Exactly but that doesn't seem to matter at all. And it certainly shows he 'wasn't out to get her' when he was only going to give her a warning ticket. I read the transcript posted and it seems he was doing everything he knew to de-escalate the situation at first. Frankly, I don't think there is anything he could have done that day to settle her down.

It is not the police officer's fault that she decided to commit suicide three days later. She had been arrested and jailed before so this wasn't something new to her, but I guess what was new is her family/friends weren't bailing her out even though one of her friends said they would, iirc. I thought I read that he wouldn't even answer his phone and she kept calling and it went to voice mail?

I think that is what pushed her over the edge and not being in jail since she had been in jail before.

IMO

 

[kimlynn]

Found that odd too. I dot think she had a diagnosis from a professional for PTSD. But people get that from something.

I wonder what SB experienced in the past that left her traumatized?

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I don't think it was diagnosed but she probably was aware that certain things gave her flashbacks to previous traumatic events.
I'm thinking it was some form of abuse in her past. IMO

 

[arkansasmimi]

It looks like they are just screening for some common drugs of abuse in that report. Not sure if a full report, including if she has theraputic drugs on board has been released.

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That's what I was wondering too, it said prelim and from the text message the DA sent to the Family Attorney, some other kind of test was needed that wasnt normally done on individuals who die in custody. I would think if she was on that med she had listed for her epilepsy that surely there would have been an amount still in her system. JMHO

 

[Night-owl]

That's what I was wondering too, it said prelim and from the text message the DA sent to the Family Attorney, some other kind of test was needed that wasnt normally done on individuals who die in custody. I would think if she was on that med she had listed for her epilepsy that surely there would have been an amount still in her system. JMHO

Yeah, considering there are roughly elebenty kazillion available drugs, you sort of need to know what you're looking for before you test. You have the obvious street drugs and related substances. Those would be well defined, frequent tests for a pathology lab. A drug used for epilepsy? Meh, not so much, maybe.
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[arkansasmimi]

She didn't use her turn signal and how many people are actually ordered out of their cars for that type of infraction and later arrested.
Is there any proof she kicked BE....none that I'm aware of. IMO

I feel confident that if she did kick him there is documentation of it. Just because the public isn't aware of it doesn't mean it potentially doesn't exist. The female officer who came up also said she saw it.... you can hear her say it on the video. You can also see on the video that she didn't use her signal light. JMHO

 

[human]

Exactly but that doesn't seem to matter at all. And it certainly shows he 'wasn't out to get her' when he was only going to give her a warning ticket. I read the transcript posted and it seems he was doing everything he knew to de-escalate the situation at first. Frankly, I don't think there is anything he could have done that day to settle her down.

It is not the police officer's fault that she decided to commit suicide three days later. She had been arrested and jailed before so this wasn't something new to her, but I guess what was new is her family/friends weren't bailing her out even though one of her friends said they would, iirc. I thought I read that he wouldn't even answer his phone and she kept calling and it went to voice mail?

I think that is what pushed her over the edge and not being in jail since she had been in jail before.

IMO

Telling her he is going to light her up? Telling her, " Good, " when she says she has epilepsy? Telling her he is going to yank her out of the car?

If you could make a different scenario and use those words, I think the incredible insanity of his statements would be obvious that they are the ravings of an abuser.