TX - Shanna, 36, & Diederik Vandewege, 3 mos, slain, Fort Worth, 15 Dec 2016 *GUILTY*

[Elainera]

And a successful insanity plea will only secure a reservation in a prison for the criminally insane - hardly an improvement.

Avoids the death penalty though.

 

[CatsInTheCradle1]

Welcome CITC1.

Is that the store on Overton Ridge Blvd?

Do you know what position he held?

Thank you, in advance.

Yes, optical manager

 

[dizzychick]

I know we were taught in nursing school, everybody handles grief differently. With all the guns and ammo, maybe he was planning on a shootout, suicide by cops? Or, he could have been contemplating suicide, and killed them because he would not be there to take care of them.

or he's afraid of something or someone, like maybe he gambled too much borrowwrd money from the wrong folks.

 

[Elise]

I knew this did this from the moment I saw it on our local news. I'm sure plenty of you did, too. This poor woman tried so hard to have a family, and this monster just slit her and her precious baby's throats. For what? What reasoning could he possibly have to do something like that? If he just didn't want the responsibility, then he could've left them. She was an RN and could take care of herself and her baby. It's not like he was rolling in money working at Costco and didn't want her to get any of it during a divorce.

I hate him. I really, truly hate him. I hope he tries to kill himself in jail in some horrific way, fails, and has to live like that in there until our lovely justice system here in Texas finally puts him out of his misery.

 

[loveisthemovement]

Remember when her dad said he just couldn't see any way that CV would be involved in this? And someone commented that the same thing happened in the Laci Peterson case? Just goes to show you....

 

[Elise]

Remember when her dad said he just couldn't see any way that CV would be involved in this? And someone commented that the same thing happened in the Laci Peterson case? Just goes to show you....

I think a lot of times, unless there's known abuse going on, dads see their daughter's husband sort of like a son, too. They really can't fathom a guy that they joked around with, maybe went fishing or played golf with, watched sports with, and most importantly, entrusted to take care of their daughter, actually doing something like this. My heart breaks for her father, because not only has he lost his daughter and grandson, his whole sense of trust has been shattered. He will likely feel some guilt, wondering if he missed some signs and should've told his daughter to stay away from him. A dad's number one job is to protect his child, and at some point, he will feel like he failed her somehow. He didn't, and has absolutely no fault in this, but I'm sure those thoughts will go through his mind at some point.

 

[glf]

Personally, I think if he is truly guilty, a little jail house justice will be the perfect punishment. Years ago, (1983), my ex got arrested for public intox. This was in Abilene, Tex. They brought in a drunk guy, bragging about raping a three year old and breaking a lady cop's arm.
That nite, the other guys tied him up in a blanket and beat him with bars of soap...that would be a nice place to start with Craig!

 

[glf]

It may sound idiotic, but if you do that to somebody, the bruises are internal, not external. So the guy had no proof he had been beaten. If Wayne had done that to the guy by himself, he would have been in a world of hurt! But the way he told it, there were several people beating on the guy.

 

[flourish]

It may sound idiotic, but if you do that to somebody, the bruises are internal, not external. So the guy had no proof he had been beaten. If Wayne had done that to the guy by himself, he would have been in a world oh hurt! But the way he told it, there were several people beating on the guy.

Oh I thought the actual idea of jailhouse justice being A-OK was the part the poster was referring to as idiotic, not the method?

 

[Sulamith]

Personally, I think if he is truly guilty, a little jail house justice will be the perfect punishment. Years ago, (1983), my ex got arrested for public intox. This was in Abilene, Tex. They brought in a drunk guy, bragging about raping a three year old and breaking a lady cop's arm.
That nite, the other guys tied him up in a blanket and beat him with bars of soap...that would be a nice place to start with Craig!

A "blanket party"! I learned about those when my DH was in the Army.

 

[glf]

Oh I thought the actual idea of jailhouse justice being A-OK was the part the poster was referring to as idiotic, not the method?

Not sure, but might have been both! Sometimes the jail house justice may be the harshed punishment they get. However, they could put him in Rusk State Hosp., in the ward for the criminally insane. Probably wouldn't last long there, either!
:gaah: ullhair: :cat::cat:

 

[yllek]

I knew this did this from the moment I saw it on our local news. I'm sure plenty of you did, too. This poor woman tried so hard to have a family, and this monster just slit her and her precious baby's throats. For what? What reasoning could he possibly have to do something like that? If he just didn't want the responsibility, then he could've left them. She was an RN and could take care of herself and her baby. It's not like he was rolling in money working at Costco and didn't want her to get any of it during a divorce.

I agree, if CV slit his wife and baby's throats (and I believe he did), he's a selfish, vile and heartless piece of shyyte alright. No matter his motives, that won't change.

I think CV wanted the life of a single man; money may have played a role in how he chose to go about getting it.

Here's a limited financial picture of their known assets/financials:
--Their 4 bedroom Fort Worth, TX house was purchased on 5/3/16 for $193,000. (I don't know if the Vandeweges bought it or were renting it, but assume they bought it.)
http://www.zillow.com/homes/8517-Cactus-Flower-DR-Fort-Worth-TX-76131_rb/?fromHomePage=true

--Their 4 bedroom Fort Lupton, CO house sold for $280,000 on 12/7/16. (I don't know how much was owed on it or if it was instead paid off.)https://www.trulia.com/homes/Colorado/Fort_Lupton/sold/305120-1807-Aspen-St-Fort-Lupton-CO-80621

--If Craig was an Optical Manager at Costco, he probably made around $65k a year base salary. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Costco-Wholesale-Optical-Manager-Salaries-E2590_D_KO17,32.htm

-If Shanna was able to return to work, she probably would have been making around the same amount, $62k a year. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/dallas-registered-nurse-salary-SRCH_IL.0,6_IM218_KO7,23.htm

It sounds like a comfortable situation for the family, IMO.

But, we don't know yet if CV had run up a bunch of debt, had bad (and expensive) habits, whether the cost of the baby was fully covered by insurance, if Shanna was going to be able to return to work soon, if CV resented the thought of paying child support or splitting the proceeds from the Colorado house which sold exactly one week prior to the murders...

 

[Dogface]

Low life scum. Had no problem marrying SV, helping create their child, to just do this? Sick!

 

[BeesInMyBonnet]

I wonder how they purchased a house in Texas before selling the Colorado house.


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[dizzychick]

Schizophrenia, maybe those meds they caught him with were his and he failed to take them, they do that you know, they think they are all well and good so they stop the meds and at some point the condition comes back with a vengence, just wondering out loud

 

[mrsobrien]

Schizophrenia, maybe those meds they caught him with were his and he failed to take them, they do that you know, they think they are all well and good so they stop the meds and at some point the condition comes back with a vengence, just wondering out loud

The meds are on my mind as well. An extended family member of mine once was taking a certain very common antidepressant... This otherwise very docile man suddenly went into a rage and held his girlfriend and small son hostage in his home at gunpoint. He had never done anything like it before! Luckily, his situation was resolved without injury. He recalls very little about it and still does not connect "himself" to the incident.

There is no excuse for murdering your wife and baby, I'm just desperate for a less than monstrous trigger. Wishful.

 

[yllek]

If CV is guilty, mental illness may have played a role.

But, but he may well just be a soulless like Neil Entwistle, Christian Longo, Scott Peterson and many more -- including Gregory Green, who stabbed one spouse and child to death and then stabbed another spouse and their children to death after he was paroled. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ife-and-kills-their-four-children-police-say/. .

 

[Rayemonde]

Schizophrenia, maybe those meds they caught him with were his and he failed to take them, they do that you know, they think they are all well and good so they stop the meds and at some point the condition comes back with a vengence, just wondering out loud

Could be, but if a person does something like this because they are psychotic they usually don't cover up the crime. They usually just tell LE, well I had to do it because they were demons and God told me I had to let the evil out! They don't normally clean up the crime scene, lawyer up and try to blame someone else... So I'm thinking he's more likely to be a psychopath or narcissist or similar, if he's guilty.

 

[Elise]

Affidavit: Accused husband heard voices, told co-worker he wanted to kill his wife

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/affi...o-worker-he-wanted-to-kill-his-wife/377299653

I call BS on him claiming he was taking a new medication that was making him hear voices. I think he wanted to kill his wife and child for awhile, and was trying to set himself up for an insanity defense.

 

[yllek]

From ^ Elise's link:

Bizarre.
According to the arrest warrant affidavit obtained by the Star-Telegram, Vandewege told a witness prior to his arrest in Colorado that the government was trying to conspire against him by saying that he had killed his family.

“Craig Vandewege said he was headed to Las Vegas to see Donald Trump to work it out with him,” homicide Detective Matt Barron wrote in an arrest warrant affidavit.
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Man, I wish the co-worker had called police when CV allegedly told him he was fantasizing about butchering his family.