Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #2

[georgiajean]

I started researching what happens in India when children go missing, and found this article (from 2012). There's a father in there who ended up closing his business, because he was spending all his time talking to people to try to find his son who disappeared. Missing children are a huge problem in India. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5d51b0-fd95-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html There are several stories in the article of children who went missing. One about a boy who returned home after 2 years (he escaped and found his way home). Several families talk about how it might be different if they weren't poor, and could pay bribes.

In recent weeks, footage from surveillance cameras — a new phenomenon in modern India — has also been repeatedly broadcast on television here, showing infants being brazenly snatched from train stations and hospital lobbies as parents slept nearby.

The plight of missing children is gaining more and more attention in India, and things are changing.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess I wanted to take the parents' actions completely out of the picture, to see where that trail would lead, in case it provided some ideas. Yeah, the vehicle... Did someone steal it and return it without their knowledge? Did the nanny take it to get food for breakfast, unaware of what was going on with Sherin?

I don't know what to think about how the parents are responding to this situation. It doesn't match what I would expect. But I don't know them, nor their reasons for what they are doing. Maybe they are embarrassed and afraid. Maybe the father was so overwhelmed with guilt and shame to tell all the details. Maybe his English is good enough during times of low stress, but under stress he falls apart and says the wrong thing. Maybe they feel that their job is to stay out of the way. I don't know.

I just didn't want (myself) to miss a potential thread because I'm so focused on the father/household.

I agree; and I like the way you logically laid the ideas out, personally. It helps with setting aside preconceptions or even subtle biases we don't know we're harboring. It's a great tool, going through all the steps like that.

Have to agree with you as far as wondering to what degree fear, shame, guilt, and embarrassment are factoring into the case here due to cultural differences (and to me, it's not just Asian-Indian, but also within the subculture of their devoutly religious community).

What I'm seeing, in the many photos, is a happy, dressed up and celebrated, doted-upon toddler who looks healthy and thriving (despite her tiny stature and the reported feeding challenges). So JMO, maybe, but I have trouble assuming at the outset that she was adopted by evil people for the purpose of abuse. I *can* envision a situation where an exasperated parent of a lively, challenging toddler did something unwise in a stressful moment--and so can at least see a risk factor here for accidental death or manslaughter.

All IMO, JMO.

 

[FlossyMay]

Early on there was a neighbor on a news report saying that the police spent a lot of time at his house--checking the garage and freezer. Seemed odd. But perhaps there was some reason to suspect him? I don't think he's an RSO--as the report suggested the family had 3 children. But, a lot of folks don't get caught until they have been engaged in activity for quite some time.

I just assumed it was the neighbor who lived closest to that tree. If so, it would make sense that they would check his house. Not sure if that is what was going on or not.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Did the neighbor say which direction the van went when it left the driveway at 4 AM?

 

[crelisacorder]

Did the neighbor say which direction the van went when it left the driveway at 4 AM?

I haven't seen any MSM that the neighbor stated any direction.

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[PoirotryInMotion]

I just assumed it was the neighbor who lived closest to that tree. If so, it would make sense that they would check his house. Not sure if that is what was going on or not.

I believe it's this neighbor (who lives a few houses down from the WM house according to a post upthread):

News of the child’s disappearance has been tough on the neighborhood, including on Mahbub Hossain, a father of three. Police and FBI combed through his house, searching for clues.
“They went through our garage. They went through the freezer, shed…” said Hossain.
He handed over surveillance video, but it didn’t capture anything.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/10/10/volunteers-search-missing/

 

[georgiajean]

Early on there was a neighbor on a news report saying that the police spent a lot of time at his house--checking the garage and freezer. Seemed odd. But perhaps there was some reason to suspect him? I don't think he's an RSO--as the report suggested the family had 3 children. But, a lot of folks don't get caught until they have been engaged in activity for quite some time.

Yes, that's right. I'd forgotten that. I am hopeful that LE has run down that path of possible neighbor taking her, and eliminated it fully. thanks for the reminder. Is it possible to do a search for RSO's in a specific geographic area?

 

[FlossyMay]

I believe it's this neighbor (who lives a few houses down from the WM house according to a post upthread):

Hmmmm....then I don't know, unless they did that to other neighbors too and he is just the only one that mentioned it. I would hope they left no stone unturned.

 

[georgiajean]

I agree; and I like the way you logically laid the ideas out, personally. It helps with setting aside preconceptions or even subtle biases we don't know we're harboring. It's a great tool, going through all the steps like that.

Have to agree with you as far as wondering to what degree fear, shame, guilt, and embarrassment are factoring into the case here due to cultural differences (and to me, it's not just Asian-Indian, but also within the subculture of their devoutly religious community).

What I'm seeing, in the many photos, is a happy, dressed up and celebrated, doted-upon toddler who looks healthy and thriving (despite her tiny stature and the reported feeding challenges). So JMO, maybe, but I have trouble assuming at the outset that she was adopted by evil people for the purpose of abuse. I *can* envision a situation where an exasperated parent of a lively, challenging toddler did something unwise in a stressful moment--and so can at least see a risk factor here for accidental death or manslaughter.

All IMO, JMO.

Bolded by me. That's where I settle, when I think things through. A terrible event, a moment of extreme weakness, perhaps a horrible accident. And he created a web of lies in his shame and horror....

 

[georgiajean]

Hmmmm....then I don't know, unless they did that to other neighbors too and he is just the only one that mentioned it. I would hope they left no stone unturned.

I saw video footage on MSM of FBI agents going into multiple houses (multiple agents going into the houses, not just one agent for each house). So I am hopeful, too!

 

[Rocco]

Bolded by me. That's where I settle, when I think things through. A terrible event, a moment of extreme weakness, perhaps a horrible accident. And he created a web of lies in his shame and horror....

If I was going to create a web of lies about something that happened, I'd try to make myself look as good as possible.

He couldn't possibly have made himself look any worse.

Does anyone know when his next court appearance will be for his current charges?

 

[crelisacorder]

I saw video footage on MSM of FBI agents going into multiple houses (multiple agents going into the houses, not just one agent for each house). So I am hopeful, too!

[emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]........I have one question..... why were most of the FBI agents females?

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[blue22]

I agree; and I like the way you logically laid the ideas out, personally. It helps with setting aside preconceptions or even subtle biases we don't know we're harboring. It's a great tool, going through all the steps like that.

Have to agree with you as far as wondering to what degree fear, shame, guilt, and embarrassment are factoring into the case here due to cultural differences (and to me, it's not just Asian-Indian, but also within the subculture of their devoutly religious community).

What I'm seeing, in the many photos, is a happy, dressed up and celebrated, doted-upon toddler who looks healthy and thriving (despite her tiny stature and the reported feeding challenges). So JMO, maybe, but I have trouble assuming at the outset that she was adopted by evil people for the purpose of abuse. I *can* envision a situation where an exasperated parent of a lively, challenging toddler did something unwise in a stressful moment--and so can at least see a risk factor here for accidental death or manslaughter.

All IMO, JMO.

bbm.

What you described is a huge amount of abused children.

I don't think the vast majority of parents plan to abuse, neglect, be cruel to their child. Rather, people who do not have adequate emotional or mental health, or ability to handle another human being...end up mistreating their child. No, choosing to mistreat their child. In all likelihood, these people adopted Sherin with the intent to love and nurture her. That does not mean what ended up happening was the opposite. Somewhere along the way, he chose to abandon being loving and nurturing. He chose to be devoid of it. IF his story is true...a loving and competent parent simply does NOT do what he did. The thing is, unless he was insane...he knew it was wrong and did it anyway. What he claims he did, was not "unwise." It was on purpose, cruel, abusive, criminal. And if he did worse, I don't have words within TOS for that.

 

[blue22]

[emoji848][emoji848][emoji848][emoji848]........I have one question..... why were most of the FBI agents females?

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Why not?

Would you be asking the same thing, if they were mostly males?

 

[2Hope4]

Why are so many babies abandoned in India? Is abortion not an option for the women? With so many orphans, wonder why people are stealing the kids?

 

[Gumbeaux]

I suspect LE is anxious for a video view of how many people in the Lexus SUV between 4 & 5 a.m. Case could hinge on this detail.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

bbm.

What you described is a huge amount of abused children.

I don't think the vast majority of parents plan to abuse, neglect, be cruel to their child. Rather, people who do not have adequate emotional or mental health, or ability to handle another human being...end up mistreating their child. No, choosing to mistreat their child. In all likelihood, these people adopted Sherin with the intent to love and nurture her. That does not mean what ended up happening was the opposite. Somewhere along the way, he chose to abandon being loving and nurturing. He chose to be devoid of it. IF his story is true...a loving and competent parent simply does NOT do what he did. The thing is, unless he was insane...he knew it was wrong and did it anyway. What he claims he did, was not "unwise." It was on purpose, cruel, abusive, criminal. And if he did worse, I don't have words within TOS for that.

Yes, IF he did what he claimed to, (stuck her out by the tree in the middle of the night for not drinking her milk), it was not only unwise, it was abusive.

If he did something else, though, that caused her death, that something-else could be anything from unwise to negligence to abuse.

We just don't know yet what he did (or if she is even still alive), so I'm not able to accurately describe it yet.

 

[KelsK]

Did anyone else see Sherin's story and hear the Richardson Chief (I believe it was the Chief speaking), on Ashley Banfield tonight?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Hmmmm....then I don't know, unless they did that to other neighbors too and he is just the only one that mentioned it. I would hope they left no stone unturned.

I think they've reported that they went around to all the neighbors who had security cameras and requested to see the videos - don't have the link for that, though. If you do a google trot down the street using streetview, some of the cameras are visible at the doors and entryways. From what I've read, seems all the neighbors were supportive and accommodating (though I'm not sure they'd necessarily report on one who wasn't). It'd be my guess that they already checked on the 27 SOs in the area (which is actually a low ratio per square mile compared to other parts of Texas). But I don't know for certain; JMO.

 

[crelisacorder]

Why not?

Would you be asking the same thing, if they were mostly males?

Not at all..... it just kind of seemed odd to me.

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