Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #4

[Margo/Mom]

Here is how Jose Baez might try to spin it:

Strict but caring Father puts child on a Time Out, behind their home. Odd by US standards but within cultural norms of his childhood/hometown.

Crazy psycho neighbor kidnaps child after Father walks away. Keeps her captive for a few days, then after area is searched, he places her there, in effort to frame the father.

This sorta occurred to me as well, as in, if we take Father at his word, are there any possibilities. Like many others, it's not my favorite theory, but I cannot rule it out at present. Along with crazy person was known to Dad, maybe even renting the kid out. She was picked up, but not returned when agreed and Dad took the Acura to look for who he was dealing with but they have flown the coop. Could fit the fact pattern, but not the simplest solution to the puzzle.

 

[Elle*Bee]

he was in court because he was ordered to appear. It is civil court not criminal but one can be arrested for failure to appear

I agree. Plus if he’s sticking with Sherin’s disappearance being unintentional, and going to claim he never killed her, he can’t very well decline to participate in the family court proceedings, now could he?

(Sarcasm Alert). Poor dad was just disciplining his child when she vanished and tragedy struck. She’s gone now but he loves both of his children... (riiiight)

 

[Gigglingtoes]

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BARFFFF do they think he stuck her through that way?

 

[MarisaS1985]

Does this culvert have a drainage pipe into a sewer system or water system to divert it to one of the bigger drainage culvert areas? Just wondering as both sides appear to be quite flat and I don't know how effective this culvert would actually be at preventing the road from flooding over or from the fields on either side flooding, if it doesn't drain... I hope it doesn't as evidence may have been washed away if there is some sort of drain within it

 

[DakotaMayi]

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BARFFFF do they think he stuck her through that way?

:gaah::sick:

 

[Eileen730]

Would dad take the fall for... let me rephrase this (someone else)

The oddest thing to me is he says he puts her out by a tree at 3 in the morning. Now did he wake is wife?
OMG I put her outside w I cant find her..........do they drive around looking for her?........ Or did he let her sleep
and do laundry. The call to LE is not made for hours later....... I'm not buying any of it.......

There is a lot more to this TRAGEDY to be told.

JMO

 

[Grouchymom]

On his bond paperwork, it showed the conditions of his bond. There were boxes checked for things like no contact with victim or victim's family, and no drugs/alcohol. I thought it showed he was free to work. Anyone have that document saved?

 

[BRRI]

Sorry if this was discussed, but how could he have moved the body when he's wearing a GPS tracker? I thought that was fitted in him as he was released on bail? Would he have been that stupid?

 

[Yellow Rose]

At work and can’t sleuth....can someone tell if the police will have a press conference this evening?

 

[BRRI]

Also I believe I remember reading in the first thread that sending children outside alone is not a rarity in this culture? I don't believe he did that in this case, but I don't think it's as unheard of as punishment as we may think

 

[Margo/Mom]

Maybe I should have wrote it better. I meant that she wasn't loved by the people that should - her parents. I don't know if I wrote this poorly but this wasn't an attack on anyone in Sherin's life. It was that she was let own by all 4 of her parents and now she's gone and we can't turn back the clock to extract her from any of those situations.

I apologize if it across like that.

Yeah, I gotcha. But I do believe that she was loved, even by her parents (and possibly even by the parent who left her in a bush in India). It's just that love does not provide an inoculation against a lot of bad things ranging from benign neglect to outright abuse. Even children removed from highly abusive and neglectful situations tend to hold onto hope of being able to return.

I have read (not necessarily from you, and not even necessarily on this board) a lot of fairly cavalier recommendations that neither parent should ever be allowed contact with the remaining sibling. If only it were that simple. That's all.

 

[Grouchymom]

Does this culvert have a drainage pipe into a sewer system or water system to divert it to one of the bigger drainage culvert areas? Just wondering as both sides appear to be quite flat and I don't know how effective this culvert would actually be at preventing the road from flooding over or from the fields on either side flooding, if it doesn't drain... I hope it doesn't as evidence may have been washed away if there is some sort of drain within it

When roads are constructed they have a slight (almost imperceptible slope to prevent water from standing. Culverts are often installed in areas with heavy rains, poor drainage or frequent rain to divert the water away from the road surface allowing it to be absorbed into the ground or flow through a ditch to eventually if necessary meet other drainage facilities.

 

[DakotaMayi]

Yeah, I gotcha. But I do believe that she was loved, even by her parents (and possibly even by the parent who left her in a bush in India). It's just that love does not provide an inoculation against a lot of bad things ranging from benign neglect to outright abuse. Even children removed from highly abusive and neglectful situations tend to hold onto hope of being able to return.

I have read (not necessarily from you, and not even necessarily on this board) a lot of fairly cavalier recommendations that neither parent should ever be allowed contact with the remaining sibling. If only it were that simple. That's all.

I guess I just see love differently then.

Also, I don’t think the 4 year old should go back to Mom... just yet. I don’t think it’s right for her at this time. But, if Mom’s innocent, the right time will come.
Not for Dad though.

 

[DatelineFan]

This sorta occurred to me as well, as in, if we take Father at his word, are there any possibilities. Like many others, it's not my favorite theory, but I cannot rule it out at present. Along with crazy person was known to Dad, maybe even renting the kid out. She was picked up, but not returned when agreed and Dad took the Acura to look for who he was dealing with but they have flown the coop. Could fit the fact pattern, but not the simplest solution to the puzzle.

I think le has a lot of other evidence we don't know about.

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[lonetraveler]

I am sorry for what I am about to type.

Due to the advanced state of decomposition that 2 weeks in Texas temperatures unless she was in some type of container (bag, box or tub) or wrapped in something resembling a shroud (remember the search warrant fabric and blue string) her body would not have been in shape for a quick move. The odor, sloughing of the skin, bloating, putrification, and insect infestation would all create problems for anyone attempting to move her without protective gear and tools. To then conceal her small limp decomposed body into the culvert would be even more difficult.

If she were moved by a human, it would have to of been in the early days. There is more than one reason you see LE wearing those white tyvek outfits with shoe covers and gloves. Not only for evidence preservation and to prevent crime scene contamination but everything that comes into contact with a decomposing body and it’s by products, absorbs and retains that horrific odor. As bad as the odor we have all experienced driving by old road kill can be, human decomposition is much worse. Only pigs have a similar odor. It stays in your nostrils sometimes for days and it is an odor that is so “thick” you feel like you can taste it. It is bitter and acidic. I only say this not to be disturbingly graphic, but to show how desperate or deranged someone would need to be to move a body if they didn’t have to.

If those claiming to have previously searched that culvert are not trying to get their 15 minutes or are not mistaken or didn’t miss her when they looked, then I think any move that might possibly have been made in the last week might have been made by animal predation.

JMHO

Totally agree with your post but can't help thinking about Caylee Anthony case where Casey Anthony made the excuse for the awful smell in her car as being a "dead squirrel crawling up into her engine". Obviously, someone did move a very decayed toddler to the swamp in that case. That said, I don't think that Sherin was moved at all, either..

 

[Inthedetails]

As we await COD and MOD, I'm trying to figure out a scenario where she got to the culvert on her own.

Did she have fear? I know a couple of kids (friends' children) who really have no fear and who have a high threshold of pain/discomfort. One of them is also a "bolter" who will run if given the opportunity - he has no fear of bolting away from parents, bolting into traffic, etc. Some autistic children, I think, often will wander away and end up in water.

Could Sherin have actually wandered off, unafraid of the dark??? We're reacting to the impossibility because it's normal and expected to be afraid to walk in the pitch dark....but maybe her thinking wasn't the same as ours and she wasn't afraid? IDK.

For the record, my thinking is she died in the house and was taken to the culvert....but I am stretching my mind to other possibilities as we await information.

Just thinking aloud, speculating, brainstrorming, jmopinion.

 

[ts51]

Oh no, I hope not! I can't really see how wide the opening is but that could explain why she was not found during previous searches and came to be found in the culvert. Pull along the street, park in front of the sewer, in the dark...I definitely hope not because that is beyond my comprehension...you (or someone) kills a child and just stuff the body down a sewer...nope..can't go there in my mind. moo

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BARFFFF do they think he stuck her through that way?

 

[osu]

At work and can’t sleuth....can someone tell if the police will have a press conference this evening?

No word on any upcoming presser so far today.

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[deedee21]

SOMEONE is going to be arrested soon now that they have a body.

He will show up in jail attire for the next court date.

 

[Margo/Mom]

On the cps issue. What is a civil attorney going to be able to do for wm? A condition of his bond is no contact with any minor child, that includes his bio child. It is probably a mute point as there is a good chance he will be charged with murder before that November 13th hearing, but if not, the best I can imagine a civil attorney doing is telling WM there is nothing he or she can do for him until the condition of his bond is removed and I don't see that changing any time soon.

There are probably a lot of good reasons for Dad to have representation. First off, despite the endangerment charges, to which he has all but admitted, there is the presumption of innocence regarding anything else. There is likely some balancing of what he might be able to say in this court without incriminating himself in another trial in another court.

Also, I don't know that child endangering requires an automatic severing of all parental rights. Imagine if he put Sherin out under the tree at 3 AM, returning at 3:15 and brought her back in the house. BUT he was seen by a neighbor who called CPS, spurring an investigation, charges and all the same. The outcome in that case might involve something closer to supervised visitation, parenting classes and a process moving towards a more normal situation. Further, even a parent incarcerated for life may retain some parental rights (regular visits or pictures, participation in some key decisions regarding education and the like). I'm not advocating for anything here, just pointing out that things are not so cut and dried as some may suppose.

I have no idea why he didn't have an attorney with him today. Maybe he thought he didn't need one, or that his existing attorney could represent him here. Maybe he's having a hard time finding someone, or coming up with the retainer. Probably a whole lot of garden variety reasons that should be considered before leaping into some Machiavellian scheme to deprive Sini of contact.