Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #5 *Arrest*

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I don't know how a child could choke on milk to the point they wouldn't be able to cough up, on their own, the milk that had gone into their lungs. Choking on a marble, a hot dog or a chicken bone would probably require intervention from and adult. But milk?. Did he keep 'physically assisting' her to the point he made sure she could no longer catch her breath and cough it up?

Someone explained the medical term for how this can happen, but I don't remember what that was. Basically, the coughing caused by aspiration can cause something to happen with the esophagus so that it's not actually the fluid and aspiration that causes death.

This new bit of information I learned here scares me a bit for myself because from time to time I have swallowing issues and recently I aspirated again. It was frightening and I thought I was going to die - it was like I couldn't breathe. My husband pulled the car over and even the neighbors stopped to check on us when they spotted us down the road. Every time it happens I tell myself I can't die from aspirating so little fluid. However, now I know that's not true and it will likely make me even more scared the next time it happens.

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[Love Never Fails]

I didn't intend to state absolutely that there was a cultural difference. I said there was a possibility. JMO, but I I firmly believe that cultural differences are our biggest problem in our world today. Humans seem to think that everyone else should have their same values & that is a problem.

Yes. We see this in our country every single day.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

How many of us would sleep through washing machines and dryers running? And the sound of car engines at 4:am?

Exactly.

 

[4SAM]

Bear with me on this statement, it is in my head but not sure how to ask correctly: Do you think the lawyer is trying to show he is incompetent so that she is not charged as she was given an inadequate lawyer?

 

[Karinna]

Could Sherin have had night terrors? Usually the child doesn't become fully awake during the crying episodes and if he was trying to sooth her with milk and she kept crying, he may have forced her to drink it. That doesn't really explain the garage though. Plus if she merely choked on milk, why not just say you were in the bathroom when it happened and you couldn't help her? Why go so far as to hide her body? That is just way over the top for someone choking on milk. I have a bad feeling there will be other injuries besides just the choking.

I also don't understand why a person would want to make an accident look like murder. If a child is choking you call your emergency number for help, or as in this case call out to your wife for help unless she had taken a sleeping aid and couldn't wake up. So yeah, i agree there was something to hide, IMO.

 

[Rocco]

I had a very scary experience when i took a sip of my Starbuck's coffee one time when we were driving on a road trip. I couldn't get my breath and was gasping for air, and my husband was hitting me on my back. Thank goodness i was able to breathe again normally after a bit, but i have never had anything like it since and wouldn't want to, it was an awful feeling.

It seems to me it's instinctive for someone, who's with someone else who is choking, to hit them on the back. Like your husband did. Guess WM instinctively took her pulse instead.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I also noticed that many English speaking Indian outlets use the term "foster parent" instead of "adoptive" or simply 'father/ mother' to distinguish it from the biological parent/s. IMO, this has nothing to do with the legal status of the adoption process. Just saying, because some asked about this somewhere here.

It may just be a language difference. I've had 2 children that originally spoke their native language. The older one used words similar but not the same as the english word and insisted it was correct because that is the word they always used for whatever we were talking about.

 

[DakotaMayi]

It seems to me it's instinctive for someone, who's with someone else who is choking, to hit them on the back. Like your husband did. Guess WM instinctively took her pulse instead.

Weird.

 

[MissMalowe]

Bear with me on this statement, it is in my head but not sure how to ask correctly: Do you think the lawyer is trying to show he is incompetent so that she is not charged as she was given an inadequate lawyer?

JMO, but I don't think a lawyer with a reputation of being a very good defense attorney would risk said reputation (and in turn, their livelihood/future income) in an attempt to have a client not charged.

 

[Rocco]

Weird.

(That's because his whole story is a pile of digested food)

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I also noticed that many English speaking Indian outlets use the term "foster parent" instead of "adoptive" or simply 'father/ mother' to distinguish it from the biological parent/s. IMO, this has nothing to do with the legal status of the adoption process. Just saying, because some asked about this somewhere here.

I agree. Sometimes a word meaning in one language doesn't mean the exact same thing in another language.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Someone explained the medical term for how this can happen, but I don't remember what that was. Basically, the coughing caused by aspiration can cause something to happen with the esophagus so that it's not actually the fluid and aspiration that causes death.

This new bit of information I learned here scares me a bit for myself because from time to time I have swallowing issues and recently I aspirated again. It was frightening and I thought I was going to die - it was like I couldn't breathe. My husband pulled the car over and even the neighbors stopped to check on us when they spotted us down the road. Every time it happens I tell myself I can't die from aspirating so little fluid. However, now I know that's not true and it will likely make me even more scared the next time it happens.

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i suffer from the same thing. Esophageal spasms. I have meds for it but doctors do not know what causes it and the meds don't always help or stop it. It's the most frightening thing, I have come close to dying from it. And you never know when it will happen. It can happen from cold milk or hot soup. First time I had a spasm it was from a bit of rice! Doctors say the brain causes the muscle to close. You cannot breathe and you start to choke and aspirate.

I first felt this was what happened with Sherin and her dad panicked. But then I found out her mom was a nurse and likely should have known. In any case what parent hides the fact their child died and discards their body? What kind of parent doesn't talk to the police from day ONE when the child went missing because the DAD said he punished her by sending her out at 3 AM to a tree??
As far as I can tell, it is the dad who should have been sent out to stand by a tree until he confessed. Who hides in their home hoping a body won't be found? Apparently two adults did.
JMO

 

[Karinna]

(That's because his whole story is a pile of digested food)

Unless he physically choked her or smothered her with a pillow or something, and then had an OMG what have i done moment and panicked that he had killed her and took her pulse to see if she still had one,

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I also don't understand why a person would want to make an accident look like murder. If a child is choking you call your emergency number for help, or as in this case call out to your wife for help unless she had taken a sleeping aid and couldn't wake up. So yeah, i agree there was something to hide, IMO.

That, among other things, makes no sense to me. If it truly was an accident and she was choking on her milk then there would be no reason at all for him not to call 911 for EMT assistance immediately. He would also run into the bedroom immediately where his RN wife was sleeping so she could attend to their choking child. Yet he didn't according to him. It is like he watched her as she was dying while rendering no aid.

Children who die accidentally don't windup stashed away hidden in a dark culvert with their parent hoping they are never found. Only those who have something to hide do so, imo.

This was no accident.

JMO

 

[Karinna]

i suffer from the same thing. Esophageal spasms. I have meds for it but doctors do not know what causes it and the meds don't always help or stop it. It's the most frightening thing, I have come close to dying from it. And you never know when it will happen. It can happen from cold milk or hot soup. First time I had a spasm it was from a bit of rice! Doctors say the brain causes the muscle to close. You cannot breathe and you start to choke and aspirate.

I first felt this was what happened with Sherin and her dad panicked. But then I found out her mom was a nurse and likely should have known. In any case what parent hides the fact their child died and discards their body? What kind of parent doesn't talk to the police from day ONE when the child went missing because the DAD said he punished her by sending her out at 3 AM to a tree??
As far as I can tell, it is the dad who should have been sent out to stand by a tree until he confessed. Who hides in their home hoping a body won't be found? Apparently two adults did.
JMO

Maybe that's what i experienced an oesophogeal spasm, it sure is scary and sorry you suffer with that problem.
I wonder what WM told his wife about what happened with Sherin to cause her to be missing? Maybe the 5 hour later call to report Sherin missing was after SM woke up, and he asked her what he should do if he told her the story about leaving Sherin out by the tree and then he couldn't find her? Wonder what her reaction to him doing that was, and if she was the one to tell him to call it in to LE that she was missing?

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Could Sherin have had night terrors? Usually the child doesn't become fully awake during the crying episodes and if he was trying to sooth her with milk and she kept crying, he may have forced her to drink it. That doesn't really explain the garage though. Plus if she merely choked on milk, why not just say you were in the bathroom when it happened and you couldn't help her? Why go so far as to hide her body? That is just way over the top for someone choking on milk. I have a bad feeling there will be other injuries besides just the choking.

Night Tremors, bad dreams, unusual sleeping schedules can all be a huge issue with adopted children for years.I keep trying to figure the house thing out. I'm not a pro at understanding a county's property tax website and what everything means but their house shows an improvement that will be added to taxes in 2018. The improvement is a garage. Maybe they just built it or renovated it or are in the process? Could he have been checking it out since he was up? My husband would do that. Just a thought. And looking at that house, it's all brick and a nice size. I visited a relative with a similar house. The construction was solid and you didn't hear conversations from other rooms. The design (wish I could find the one for this house) was made so that the bedrooms were furthest away from the garage. Just brainstorming ideas, thoughts and possibilities.

 

[Margo/Mom]

My 2 cents... I believe the lawyers statement about as much as I believe WM statement. I went through a custody battle AFTER I left an abusive relationship, and my daughters father was so worried about the fact I was in said relationship, he tried to take my daughter AFTER I LEFT the abuse.... his lawyer was a real piece of work, he said I was guilty because I was abused and even though my daughter was not abused, in his words “she may have well had been” because it took me some time to leave. His lawyer just made things up at times, worded things to make me look horrible.... so I don’t put much of anything into a lawyers statement. It is to protect, and help aid their client and that is all...

In the end nothing changed when it came to custody... because I was getting help, I had my daughter in therapy as well. So even if... there are things to be done that you just do to protect your child, and keep your child in the best outcome as possible. I just don’t see that happening in this case. JMO MOO OMO


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It is my impression that at least a portion of what LE is after in continued questioning of SM is to implicate her as being in some way responsible for the death of Sherin, possibly by simply being in relationship with WM if they can establish that there were any earlier indicators of possible abuse. Just as you were accused of being responsible for not doing more to protect y our daughter--even though you were the one clearly being targeted (and props to you for being able to get out). This may well be the slant of CPS as well as regards the older child. It certainly figured into the initial removal.

Now, any loyalties (or outright confusion) she may currently have regarding her husband aside, I can see that opening herself up to more hours of questioning could place her in considerable legal risk, but also jeopardize her current and future relationship with the surviving daughter. Clearly some hope for such an outcome, having already decided for themselves that she played some role in Sherin's death and is undeserving to be considered a fit parent. However, I would not expect her legal representatives to advise her in ways that might lead there. The things that you describe from your own life (therapy for yourself and your child) are the kinds of things that likely need to be her priority at present (along with whatever funeral arrangements can be made, dealing with day-to-day details of the loss of household income, where to live given the crowds surrounding the family house, all the things that go on despite the crisis).

 

[faw720]

Zencompass is so polite.

His/her politeness always stands out.

We should all try to be a bit more like Zencompass.

Thank you, Zencompass, for the constant reminder to be respectful.

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Sorry, I hope you didn't take my response as disrespectful because that was NOT the way I intended it to sound. I am a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If someone says something that is offensive to me, I remain quiet rather saying anything.

 

[edimmu]

So..................

Does anyone find it odd that WM claims he took her pulse? Not that it's a difficult thing to do but .......................

Yes, especially when his daughter is clearly choking.

 

[Margo/Mom]

I agree, vmmking... it's not about incriminating Sini, it's about exposing what other BS Wesley thinks up.

I think for LE, it's about both.