Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #5 *Arrest*

[Inthedetails]

I don't know how a child could choke on milk to the point they wouldn't be able to cough up, on their own, the milk that had gone into their lungs. Choking on a marble, a hot dog or a chicken bone would probably require intervention from and adult. But milk?. Did he keep 'physically assisting' her to the point he made sure she could no longer catch her breath and cough it up?

I'm not convinced she choked on milk.

Heck, we don't even know if she really choked. We don't know COD yet.

jmo

 

[Karinna]

I'm not convinced she choked on milk.

Heck, we don't even know if she really choked. We don't know COD yet.

jmo

Exactly.

 

[tandt]

Obviously, I have no extra insight into what actually went on in that house. However, I can sympathize with SM's unwillingness to talk to LE for reasons other than selfishness.

All of us are interested in getting whatever justice is possible for this poor child. But SM has just lost a beloved daughter. Her other daughter is in foster care, and her husband is in prison on suicide watch for causing Sherin's death. Could her responding to more questions expedite the investigation? Probably. But I could understand entirely if at this point, she honestly doesn't care about making sure that WM can be charged/convicted on the most serious counts.

Assuming her to be a victim, she has lost her babies, one in a tragically final way, and the other in a terrifyingly indefinite one. WM has essentially confessed to playing enough of a role in Sherin's death that, barring anything bizarre happening, he is going to be convicted of something and serve significant prison time. It is too late to give Sherin anything but the hollowest form of justice. Nothing SM says or doesn't say at this point is going to change the fact that her daughter is dead. Given that, I'm not going to judge her for not cooperating with a questioning process that can only be painful and humiliating, and might give LE the ammunition they need to implicate her in the case.

I sincerely want to agree with you b/c your words read very heartfelt.

However, this case reads exactly like the Caylee case. Terrible accidents don't get covered up w/ little ones tossed aside like garbage. And in Caylee's case, it broke my heart more that NO ONE in that family stood up for her little soul. They all rallied around FCA when they had to know in their hearts what really happened.

That's how I feel here-- put the baby first, stand up for her and say what needs to be said.

 

[Stripehaven]

Who wouldn't wake their spouse if their child was choking?? The mom's being a nurse isn't even a factor for me. I know I would be shouting the house down for my spouse to call 911. There is no way IMO that this was accidental. Just stating the obvious, I guess!

 

[Love Never Fails]

Maybe that's what i experienced an oesophogeal spasm, it sure is scary and sorry you suffer with that problem.
I wonder what WM told his wife about what happened with Sherin to cause her to be missing? Maybe the 5 hour later call to report Sherin missing was after SM woke up, and he asked her what he should do if he told her the story about leaving Sherin out by the tree and then he couldn't find her? Wonder what her reaction to him doing that was, and if she was the one to tell him to call it in to LE that she was missing?

So many questions and so few answers. LE must know more by now. WM knows he is going to prison. Why not just tell all the truth.....unless he did something much more horrible than we want to think about?

His silence causes speculation and it isn't getting any better for him or his family. But if indeed SM is a victim also, then why did she stay quiet until the body was found and by doing so, appeared to be supportive of her husband? Unless....she hammered him with questions day and night. I guess we have to remember she had her other daughter to think of also. But how could she sleep at night without wondering if he would discard her other daughter too??

Not it making sense to me!

 

[pamelado2]

That orphanage was closed down September 7th

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...rom-nalanda/story-vaboB83baJvGRhf5TOW4PL.html

https://m.rediff.com/news/special/the-child-god-took-away/20171026.htm



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"Kumari remembers that Wesley was in touch with her first. Sini and Wesley came to see Saraswati in mid 2015. "The father and mother came to Nalanda to see Saraswati.*Bahut acche the*(They were very nice). They seemed like decent people."

"The mother could not speak Hindi and only spoke English, but the father communicated with me. They seemed like a good family."

After they left, and the adoption was still being finalised, Wesley would call and ask Kumari to put Saraswati on the phone so he could hear her charming baby talk."


Quote is from the second article.


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[Love Never Fails]

I sincerely want to agree with you b/c your words read very heartfelt.

However, this case reads exactly like the Caylee case. Terrible accidents don't get covered up w/ little ones tossed aside like garbage. And in Caylee's case, it broke my heart more that NO ONE in that family stood up for her little soul. They all rallied around FCA when they had to know in their hearts what really happened.

That's how I feel here-- put the baby first, stand up for her and say what needs to be said.

This! Caylee's case tore up my heart and more so because Casey got away with it. I could see the family being pulled in every direction but they knew Casey had killed that poor baby. They knew and then rallied around her. It makes me sick still.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Sorry, I hope you didn't take my response as disrespectful because that was NOT the way I intended it to sound. I am a firm believer that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If someone says something that is offensive to me, I remain quiet rather saying anything.

Not at all! This comment was made solely because zencompass, as usual, made me smile.

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[oceanblueeyes]

i suffer from the same thing. Esophageal spasms. I have meds for it but doctors do not know what causes it and the meds don't always help or stop it. It's the most frightening thing, I have come close to dying from it. And you never know when it will happen. It can happen from cold milk or hot soup. First time I had a spasm it was from a bit of rice! Doctors say the brain causes the muscle to close. You cannot breathe and you start to choke and aspirate.

I first felt this was what happened with Sherin and her dad panicked. But then I found out her mom was a nurse and likely should have known. In any case what parent hides the fact their child died and discards their body? What kind of parent doesn't talk to the police from day ONE when the child went missing because the DAD said he punished her by sending her out at 3 AM to a tree??
As far as I can tell, it is the dad who should have been sent out to stand by a tree until he confessed. Who hides in their home hoping a body won't be found? Apparently two adults did.
JMO

When my first husband and I were first married his youngest sister was 8 years old at the time. A beautiful, smart, and loving little girl who had never missed a day of school. But one morning around 5am she told her Mom she wasn't feeling well, and that was so unusual for Vickie who was never sick. My mother-in-law took her temp and it was over 102 so she told her to stay home with her that day (she called her employer telling them she wouldn't be in) and she told Vickie as soon as the doctor's office opened she would take her in.

My mother-in-law put her on their long sofa with a pillow and blanket and she stayed right there with her in case she needed something. Her feet was resting in her mother's lap. She seemed to have been sleeping soundly, as children are known to do ....when they do not feel well. Her mom glanced over at her, and noticed that she was turning blue around her mouth. She panicked and screamed picking her up in her arms trying to get her to wake up, and called 911 immediately, but it was too late by the time they arrived.

They said what happened is she was sleeping so soundly that when she had to regurgitate instead of it waking her up and the vomit coming out she aspirated and it went into her lungs instead.

It was one of the saddest memories I have. I was so close to my ex-husband's family when we were married and she was like a little sister to me. I am still very close with all of them. None of them ever really got over the loss of little Vickie.

But I still do not believe this is what happened to little Sherin. I don't think this was an accident at all. He did nothing to try and save his precious daughter. One of the most disturbing things for me it is as if he watched her calmly until he knew she was dead. Only a monster can be that cold and uncaring, imo. It reminds me of the spider and the fly caught in its web that is its prey.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I think for LE, it's about both.

I think that for LE it's about getting to the whole truth, whatever that may be.

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[Karinna]

So many questions and so few answers. LE must know more by now. WM knows he is going to prison. Why not just tell all the truth.....unless he did something much more horrible than we want to think about?

His silence causes speculation and it isn't getting any better for him or his family. But if indeed SM is a victim also, then why did she stay quiet until the body was found and by doing so, appeared to be supportive of her husband? Unless....she hammered him with questions day and night. I guess we have to remember she had her other daughter to think of also. But how could she sleep at night without wondering if he would discard her other daughter too??

Not it making sense to me!

Weren't WM & SM separated very soon after WM's first arrest and to have no contact with each other just after Sherin was alerted to be missing when he told LE his story about leaving Sherin out by the tree? So i don't think they were a couple anymore and that she was supporting him very shortly after that, and then the removal of the other child by CPS too.

 

[Love Never Fails]

"Kumari remembers that Wesley was in touch with her first. Sini and Wesley came to see Saraswati in mid 2015. "The father and mother came to Nalanda to see Saraswati.*Bahut acche the*(They were very nice). They seemed like decent people."

"The mother could not speak Hindi and only spoke English, but the father communicated with me. They seemed like a good family."

After they left, and the adoption was still being finalised, Wesley would call and ask Kumari to put Saraswati on the phone so he could hear her charming baby talk."


Quote is from the second article.


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I have to to stop my mind from wandering.....I am afraid the trial may reveal he wanted to adopt that child for nefarious purposes. Ugh....the thought....hope I am wrong. Maybe I watch too much of the news regarding child trafficking, etc. I need a break.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Weren't WM & SM separated very soon after WM's first arrest and to have no contact with each other just after Sherin was alerted to be missing when he told LE his story about leaving Sherin out by the tree? So i don't think they were a couple anymore and that she was supporting him very shortly after that, and then the removal of the other child by CPS too.

Thank you! I had forgotten. Following too many cases. That helps and I appreciate you letting me know.

 

[Karinna]

Thank you! I had forgotten. Following too many cases. That helps and I appreciate you letting me know.

You're welcome.

 

[zencompass]

Zencompass is so polite.

His/her politeness always stands out.

We should all try to be a bit more like Zencompass.

Thank you, Zencompass, for the constant reminder to be respectful.

[emoji3]

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Thank you for the kind words. You made my day!

I genuinely am only reflecting back the kindness and compassion which are in the posts on this thread and many others!

There isn't a day where my heart isn't uplifted reading all of the considerate and compassion posts here.

Thank you. You are a treasure.

e.t.a. I am a female zen

 

[Margo/Mom]

I still think there may be some cultural issues involved in the mom's attitude toward her husband & what happened to Sherin. Different countries have different cultural values. Heck, even here in the good ol' USA different regions have cultural differences. For instance, I grew up in the south eating okra & having a gun since I was a kid. I think it would be hard to find a person from New England who grew up like I did. Matter of fact, you probably couldn't get someone from New England to touch either of those things with a 10 ft. pole.

Cultural angle aside, consider the experience from SM's side. She awakens 10/7 to the news that her youngest is missing, and LE are called. Unknown to us what her husband told her and what she told police in those first days prior to WM's first arrest. But we know about the role of denial in protecting us from certain kind of emotional shock. So, if WM was feeding her the same kind of protectionist story he was giving out publicly, her inclination may have been to believe it. Because the alternative, that her husband killed their child, is abominable. Maybe on some level she understood that Sherin wasn't coming back but simply could not face that reality. All unknown to us, but certainly consistent with normal human behavior.

THEN her husband is arrested and she has, by all indicators, had not contact with him since that time. Certainly no face-to-face contact. Her surviving daughter is removed--an indicator that people in authority doubt her ability as a parent to keep her safe. More shock. The places the mind goes would have to do with questioning and self-doubt and going through every possible clue and questioning what one might have done to NOT be in the current position. This is the normal kind of emotional response--even in the face of disasters over which can have had no control--automobile accidents, mass shootings, floods and fires. The what-ifs (what if I had driven home by another route, what if I didn't allow the kid to go to the mall with friends, etc) are part of the process of trying to re-establish a sense of control over one's life when one has experienced having everything expected knocked into a cocked hat. Whatever one might believe about SM, this is the world we can believe she is living in. And why she needs some legally-allowed parameters around going into another round of questioning with a PD that is plainly looking for some admission of guilt on her part. The hours already spent with PD--prior to her seeking legal counsel--suggest that they are willing to engage in question marathons of the kind that have in other cases led to false confessions from helpless suspects who arrive at a point of being willing to do or say anything to just make it all stop.

 

[zencompass]

100% agreed. Zen could teach me a thing or two. Have to say, I always, always enjoy Zens "zen-ness"!

Dear AnaPisces,

You are such a kind heart.

I'm not the only one on this thread (and others!) with zen-ness !

 

[Love Never Fails]

When my first husband and I were first married his youngest sister was 8 years old at the time. A beautiful, smart, and loving little girl who had never missed a day of school. But one morning around 5am she told her Mom she wasn't feeling well, and that was so unusual for Vickie who was never sick. My mother-in-law took her temp and it was over 102 so she told her to stay home with her that day (she called her employer telling them she wouldn't be in) and she told Vickie as soon as the doctor's office opened she would take her in.

My mother-in-law put her on their long sofa with a pillow and blanket and she stayed right there with her in case she needed something. Her feet was resting in her mother's lap. She seemed to have been sleeping soundly, as children are known to do ....when they do not feel well. Her mom glanced over at her, and noticed that she was turning blue around her mouth. She panicked and screamed picking her up in her arms trying to get her to wake up, and called 911 immediately, but it was too late by the time they arrived.

They said what happened is she was sleeping so soundly that when she had to regurgitate instead of it waking her up and the vomit coming out she aspirated and it went into her lungs instead.

It was one of the saddest memories I have. I was so close to my ex-husband's family when we were married and she was like a little sister to me. I am still very close with all of them. None of them ever really got over the loss of little Vickie.

But I still do not believe this is what happened to little Sherin. I don't think this was an accident at all. He did nothing to try and save his precious daughter. One of the most disturbing things for me it is as if he watched her calmly until he knew she was dead. Only a monster can be that cold and uncaring, imo. It reminds me of the spider and the fly caught in its web that is its prey.

JMO

I am so sorry! What a heart breaking story. That had to be an unbearable loss for her Mother and for all of you who knew her. Life can end so suddenly. That's just scary.

I could have believed that had happened to Sherin had the Dad tried to call 911. But he seems less than human to make up the story he did.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Who wouldn't wake their spouse if their child was choking?? The mom's being a nurse isn't even a factor for me. I know I would be shouting the house down for my spouse to call 911. There is no way IMO that this was accidental. Just stating the obvious, I guess!

If I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and believed it was possible he had a fear that LE would not believe it was accidental, there are other things that would have to be true in this story, and they are ones which he has denied. The only way I could buy that he was covering up an accident out of fear of the police is if he had woken Sini up to help save her, that she died despite Sini's efforts to resuscitate, and so they decided to make it look like she went missing.

The only reasons for him not to wake Sini for help would be if 1- killing her was intentional and he did not want her resuscitated, or 2-he knew that Sini would know from what she saw that he had been abusive.

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[Margo/Mom]

It seems to me it's instinctive for someone, who's with someone else who is choking, to hit them on the back. Like your husband did. Guess WM instinctively took her pulse instead.

Or, he may have hit her on the back, or shaken her with no results (not sure it would help in the case of aspirating a liquid), or making things worse.

But, we also gotta keep in mind that we are reading a summary. He may have said, "I knew she was dead," "How did you know?" "I felt for a pulse."

Someone yesterday pointed out that LE would include in the affidavit the minimum amount of information necessary for the charge/arrest. Still and active investigation, so they will be keeping most information under wraps.