Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #5 *Arrest*

[kirkassoc]

I think for LE, it's about both.

I hope and pray it's about justice for a tiny 3 year old who died in that house with two, able-bodied adults in close proximity. NOTHING is more important than finding out what happened to Sherin, IMHO. If for no other reason than to prevent it happening again. There should be consequences for our actions (or non-actions) at some point in time, MOO. Just because this baby is gone and cannot speak for herself, WHO is left to do this? It should be the ones who loved her most. Since one of them has admitted killing her, where should LE turn for answers? MOO, JMO.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Cultural angle aside, consider the experience from SM's side. She awakens 10/7 to the news that her youngest is missing, and LE are called. Unknown to us what her husband told her and what she told police in those first days prior to WM's first arrest. But we know about the role of denial in protecting us from certain kind of emotional shock. So, if WM was feeding her the same kind of protectionist story he was giving out publicly, her inclination may have been to believe it. Because the alternative, that her husband killed their child, is abominable. Maybe on some level she understood that Sherin wasn't coming back but simply could not face that reality. All unknown to us, but certainly consistent with normal human behavior.

THEN her husband is arrested and she has, by all indicators, had not contact with him since that time. Certainly no face-to-face contact. Her surviving daughter is removed--an indicator that people in authority doubt her ability as a parent to keep her safe. More shock. The places the mind goes would have to do with questioning and self-doubt and going through every possible clue and questioning what one might have done to NOT be in the current position. This is the normal kind of emotional response--even in the face of disasters over which can have had no control--automobile accidents, mass shootings, floods and fires. The what-ifs (what if I had driven home by another route, what if I didn't allow the kid to go to the mall with friends, etc) are part of the process of trying to re-establish a sense of control over one's life when one has experienced having everything expected knocked into a cocked hat. Whatever one might believe about SM, this is the world we can believe she is living in. And why she needs some legally-allowed parameters around going into another round of questioning with a PD that is plainly looking for some admission of guilt on her part. The hours already spent with PD--prior to her seeking legal counsel--suggest that they are willing to engage in question marathons of the kind that have in other cases led to false confessions from helpless suspects who arrive at a point of being willing to do or say anything to just make it all stop.

Thanks for this insightful post.

i would think she would be thinking about the what-ifs that could happen by not helping LE to get to the truth? Like...what if he gets by with a lighter sentence and what if he does this to our biological child?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you for the kind words. You made my day!

I genuinely am only reflecting back the kindness and compassion which are in the posts on this thread and many others!

There isn't a day where my heart isn't uplifted reading all of the considerate and compassion posts here.

Thank you. You are a treasure.

e.t.a. I am a female zen

You deserve all of the glowing remarks posted about you Zen. Many times you are the calm in the middle of a firestorm.

I have always found much comfort, kindness, and wisdom in all of your posts.

You are such an asset to WS and to all of its members.

 

[Inthedetails]

I am so sorry! What a heart breaking story. That had to be an unbearable loss for her Mother and for all of you who knew her. Life can end so suddenly. That's just scary.

I could have believed that had happened to Sherin had the Dad tried to call 911. But he seems less than human to make up the story he did.

Yes. It was the decision to put the little girl in a drainage pipe and lie about it that makes this NOT an accident, imo.

Even in a panic after an accident, one does not react to an accident by stuffing a child into a culvert blocks away from home and leave her there to rot (sorry to be harsh, but this is harsh).

If he had called out to his wife, if he had screamed out for anyone in the neighborhood to come help him, if he had called 911, if he had rushed to the hospital....then I could believe the possibility of an accident.

But instead he noticed she didn't have pulse and then got rid of her.

I'm awaiting COD before believing anything from Story #2.

jmopinion

 

[zencompass]

When my first husband and I were first married his youngest sister was 8 years old at the time. A beautiful, smart, and loving little girl who had never missed a day of school. But one morning around 5am she told her Mom she wasn't feeling well, and that was so unusual for Vickie who was never sick. My mother-in-law took her temp and it was over 102 so she told her to stay home with her that day (she called her employer telling them she wouldn't be in) and she told Vickie as soon as the doctor's office opened she would take her in.

My mother-in-law put her on their long sofa with a pillow and blanket and she stayed right there with her in case she needed something. Her feet was resting in her mother's lap. She seemed to have been sleeping soundly, as children are known to do ....when they do not feel well. Her mom glanced over at her, and noticed that she was turning blue around her mouth. She panicked and screamed picking her up in her arms trying to get her to wake up, and called 911 immediately, but it was too late by the time they arrived.

They said what happened is she was sleeping so soundly that when she had to regurgitate instead of it waking her up and the vomit coming out she aspirated and it went into her lungs instead.

It was one of the saddest memories I have. I was so close to my ex-husband's family when we were married and she was like a little sister to me. I am still very close with all of them. None of them ever really got over the loss of little Vickie.

But I still do not believe this is what happened to little Sherin. I don't think this was an accident at all. He did nothing to try and save his precious daughter. One of the most disturbing things for me it is as if he watched her calmly until he knew she was dead. Only a monster can be that cold and uncaring, imo. It reminds me of the spider and the fly caught in its web that is its prey.

JMO

Dear Oceanblueeyes,

Thank you for sharing such a deeply saddening event.

I am so sorry to hear this. All I can think of is that little Vickie was with her Mom when she passed.

You are such a caring person that it must have been difficult for you to write that. You wrote it from your heart.

I'm sure you all hold wonderful memories of Vickie close to your hearts.

 

[Margo/Mom]

Night Tremors, bad dreams, unusual sleeping schedules can all be a huge issue with adopted children for years.I keep trying to figure the house thing out. I'm not a pro at understanding a county's property tax website and what everything means but their house shows an improvement that will be added to taxes in 2018. The improvement is a garage. Maybe they just built it or renovated it or are in the process? Could he have been checking it out since he was up? My husband would do that. Just a thought. And looking at that house, it's all brick and a nice size. I visited a relative with a similar house. The construction was solid and you didn't hear conversations from other rooms. The design (wish I could find the one for this house) was made so that the bedrooms were furthest away from the garage. Just brainstorming ideas, thoughts and possibilities.

One of Maria Guerrero's live-feeds, prior to the latest confession, showed the inside of the garage with one car in it. It looked like there was very little in it except the car--maybe something hanging on one way. Also clean and new (no stains on the cement floor, etc). I thought we knew (I could be wrong on this) that two of the cars were in the garage that night. I could be wrong on that, but if there were two cars in the garage it is very hard to see how there would be room for anything else to be going on there. Unless it took place IN one of the cars. There were two doors, however. One would most likely lead into the house. The other? a closet perhaps? Dunno.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Weren't WM & SM separated very soon after WM's first arrest and to have no contact with each other just after Sherin was alerted to be missing when he told LE his story about leaving Sherin out by the tree? So i don't think they were a couple anymore and that she was supporting him very shortly after that, and then the removal of the other child by CPS too.

That was ordered by the court, though. We have no idea if this was what she wanted.

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[Pamela_Brewer]

I read an article that I can not find again to link to.

It was an article from India stating that due to their customs, the person had trouble believing that the mom wouldn't know that Sherin and the dad were "up" because it is customary for the parents to co-sleep with the children until they are about 7.

This person stated they couldn't believe 5 hours passed without the mom's knowledge that something was amiss.

I'm not questioning the practice of co-sleeping as safe or unsafe. Obviously everyone has their own opinion.

I was NEVER allowed in my parents bed!
I brought my 9 month old into my bed due to an ear infection and being exhausted and she continued to sleep with us until she was about 5.

I didn't make the same desicion with my second child.

Can anyone weigh in on the practice if co-sleeping in the culture of Indian parents?

I get why it's done from birth. It makes nursing a newborn easier and many families in India may have limited space. Clearly space wasn't an issue and Sharin wasn't adopted as a newborn, so maybe she did sleep alone.

However, if she typically didn't sleep alone, I can understand the outrage by other Indian parents as they see it cruel to make a child sleep in another room at that age.

http://www.studyvillage.com/resources/2774-Should-kids-sleep-with-parents.aspx


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[Karinna]

I read an article that I can not find again to link to.

It was an article from India stating that due to their customs, the person had trouble believing that the mom wouldn't know that Sherin and the dad we're "up" because it is customary for the parents to co-sleep with the children until they are about 7.

This person stated they couldn't believe 5 hours passed without the mom's knowledge that something was amiss.

I'm not questioning the practice of co-sleeping as safe or unsafe. Obviously everyone has their own opinion.

I was NEVER allowed in my parents bed!
I brought my 9 month old into my bed due to an ear infection and being exhausted and she continued to sleep with us until she was about 5.

I didn't make the same desicion with my second child.

Can anyone weigh in on the practice if co-sleeping in the culture of Indian parents?

I get why it's done from birth. It makes nursing a newborn easier and many families in India may have limited space. Clearly space wasn't an issue and Sharin wasn't adopted as a newborn, so maybe she did sleep alone.

However, if she typically didn't sleep alone, I can understand the outrage by other Indian parents as they see it cruel to make a child sleep in another room at that age.

http://www.studyvillage.com/resources/2774-Should-kids-sleep-with-parents.aspx


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Maybe SM & WM didn't practice those customs in the USA though?

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I read an article that I can not find again to link to.

It was an article from India stating that due to their customs, the person had trouble believing that the mom wouldn't know that Sherin and the dad we're "up" because it is customary for the parents to co-sleep with the children until they are about 7.

This person stated they couldn't believe 5 hours passed without the mom's knowledge that something was amiss.

I'm not questioning the practice of co-sleeping as safe or unsafe. Obviously everyone has their own opinion.

I was NEVER allowed in my parents bed!
I brought my 9 month old into my bed due to an ear infection and being exhausted and she continued to sleep with us until she was about 5.

I didn't make the same desicion with my second child.

Can anyone weigh in on the practice if co-sleeping in the culture of Indian parents?

I get why it's done from birth. It makes nursing a newborn easier and many families in India may have limited space. Clearly space wasn't an issue and Sharin wasn't adopted as a newborn, so maybe she did sleep alone.

However, if she typically didn't sleep alone, I can understand the outrage by other Indian parents as they see it cruel to make a child sleep in another room at that age.

http://www.studyvillage.com/resources/2774-Should-kids-sleep-with-parents.aspx


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It was in this article http://www.indiawest.com/news/globa...cle_6c7f67b8-b9bf-11e7-8b97-f7a059ba587d.html

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[oceanblueeyes]

Yes. It was the decision to put the little girl in a drainage pipe and lie about it that makes this NOT an accident, imo.

Even in a panic after an accident, one does not react to an accident by stuffing a child into a culvert blocks away from home and leave her there to rot (sorry to be harsh, but this is harsh).

If he had called out to his wife, if he had screamed out for anyone in the neighborhood to come help him, if he had called 911, if he had rushed to the hospital....then I could believe the possibility of an accident.

But instead he noticed she didn't have pulse and then got rid of her.

I'm awaiting COD before believing anything from Story #2.

jmopinion

ITA! These are not the actions of a devoted loving parent who has a child who has had a genuine accident.

Loving parents who have children who have had a genuine accident seeks help immediately praying the child can be saved.

His ACTIONS are what murderers do!

IMO

 

[Karinna]

I hope and pray it's about justice for a tiny 3 year old who died in that house with two, able-bodied adults in close proximity. NOTHING is more important than finding out what happened to Sherin, IMHO. If for no other reason than to prevent it happening again. There should be consequences for our actions (or non-actions) at some point in time, MOO. Just because this baby is gone and cannot speak for herself, WHO is left to do this? It should be the ones who loved her most. Since one of them has admitted killing her, where should LE turn for answers? MOO, JMO.

LE are investigators that should know how to piece together evidence that will tell the story of what happened in any given case. What about other parents of missing/murdered children that never admit to their crimes. It has never stopped LE from nabbing them for their crimes in most cases.
What if WM had never told them his story of what he did to Sherin that day? I'm sure the searches would of still found her, and i'm sure warrants would of been issued to search the Mathews home and evidence gathered, and witness testimonies as well.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

LE are investigators that should know how to piece together evidence that will tell the story of what happened in any given case. What about other parents of missing/murdered children that never admit to their crimes. It has never stopped LE from nabbing them for their crimes in most cases.
What if WM had never told them his story of what he did to Sherin that day? I'm sure the searches would of still found her, and i'm sure warrants would of been issued to search the Mathews home and evidence gathered, and witness testimonies as well.

But one would expect a mother to assist in making an investigation easier and more likely to result in a conviction if her child is murdered and she is innocent.

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[Pamela_Brewer]

Maybe SM & WM didn't practice those customs in the USA though?

They may not have. I am wondering if other Indian families in the US typically continue the tradition.

Co-sleeping is a common practice

"Co-sleeping definitely is a common practice and many in many ways has been suggested to be a healthy practice. Not only India, but many countries like Africa, overall Asia, Eastern Europe, or even in many parts of South America include households that allow co-sleeping though up to a limited period. However India ranks number one when it comes to bed-sharing of children with parents."

http://www.studyvillage.com/resources/2774-Should-kids-sleep-with-parents.aspx
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[Karinna]

But one would expect a mother to assist in making an investigation easier and more likely to result in a conviction if her child is murdered and she is innocent.

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I'm not really sure what the mother has or hasn't done as far as what LE need from her? Apart from her previous questionings by them? Are LE upset with her for some reason at the moment? Is there a link to that?

 

[GigTu]

I am unfamiliar with customs of many different countries, and the recent posts cause me to ask this question. In their culture, would it be considered the husband's duty to fall on the sword for something his spouse did? Especially to ensure a child had its mother?

 

[DakotaMayi]

Hannah Davis with WFAA said the results from the autopsy could take up to 90 days.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Dear Oceanblueeyes,

Thank you for sharing such a deeply saddening event.

I am so sorry to hear this. All I can think of is that little Vickie was with her Mom when she passed.

You are such a caring person that it must have been difficult for you to write that. You wrote it from your heart.

I'm sure you all hold wonderful memories of Vickie close to your hearts.

Thank you. I still shed tears to this day about what happened to our precious Vickie. I know she would have made such a positive mark in the world bringing brightness and love which is so needed now.

We both loved her so much that we named our first daughter after Vickie but she is known by her second name.

I will never forget the day of the dreaded call. My ex ran out the door screaming and then passed out hitting his head on the patio concrete floor. We had to take him to the doctor to get his wound sewed up and they sedated him until the day of her funeral and he once again passed out there as well when he viewed her in the casket. All of us were just totally devastated. There was no warning whatsoever. It is still hard to believe even after all this time has passed. It does show us life can so vulnerable and fragile.

I guess that is one of the reasons Sherin's death is so traumatic for me. Vickie's family tried so hard to save her, yet that didn't happen when Sherin was fighting for her little life.

Thank you again for your kind words, Zen.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I'm not really sure what the mother has or hasn't done as far as what LE need from her? Apart from her previous questionings by them? Are LE upset with her for some reason at the moment? Is there a link to that?

LE has stated publicly that they want to speak to her further and she has publicly declined. Many links in this thread to that.

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[Inthedetails]

I am unfamiliar with customs of many different countries, and the recent posts cause me to ask this question. In their culture, would it be considered the husband's duty to fall on the sword for something his spouse did? Especially to ensure a child had its mother?

That would entail protecting a child murderer so that child murderer could raise your remaining child while you sat innocent in jail.

I have a hard time believing that would be expected in any culture.

jmopinion