Found Deceased TX - Sherin Mathews, 3, Richardson, 7 Oct 2017 #7 *Arrests*

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I never stated that this killing was logical or excusable. In fact, I thought the last part of my post highlighted that I found it inexcusable, despite my own admissions about being capable of killing (in me or them situations)

Correct, no one's rage is comparable or exactly the same, that's why I began my post saying that,

Then later pointed out that some people never, under any circumstances admit to being able to kill someone, while others kill over very minor things (road rage, gang retaliation, money, jealousy etc)

Not sure what your "surprise" comment was in reference to, so I cannot comment on that specifically.
If you are thinking my admission of being willing to kill someone in a me or them situation in turn inferred to you that I felt that leaving their 3 year old child alone that evening while they went to dinner was anything less than completely irresponsible and cruel, or that throwing her away in a culvert like she was literally trash, (something I wouldn't even think was okay to do to a family pet) was something you also felt I thought was excusable, then my apologies, because I was DEFINITELY not inferring those things, which is why I have been posting here, searching for answers, throwing around theories, and keeping my eyes on Texas news sites like a hawk since October 7th, like many others here.

My point, was that people aren't simply able to kill or not and that all those people cant easily be clumped together. There are many more shades of grey, vs. just being black and white.

I'm sorry, when you said some people would think you are comparing apples and oranges... Yes, I think the comparison *is* apples and oranges. Completely not comparable.

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[MissMalowe]

She was three years old.

You're drawing a parallel between justifiable homicide and the murder of a small child.

There is no "limit" here. The adult's job is to care for, protect, and nurture the child.


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Once again, I was not comparing the Mathews murdering their 3 year old to my (or anyone else's) ability to murder in a me or them situation. My point as that it's not as simple as people either being killers or not. My point was that you can't clump "justifiable" homicides in with the Mathews, who killed their 3 year old daughter over a measly cup of milk. Their limits for justifying killing someone are obviously very very low. Obviously not a "it's me or them" situation.

 

[MissMalowe]

I'm sorry, when you said some people would think you are comparing apples and oranges... Yes, I think the comparison *is* apples and oranges. Completely not comparable.

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So, people ARENT simply able to kill or not is what you mean? That is the point I was making.

 

[Grouchymom]

I'm not sure it's simply black and white; I think there are a lot of grey areas in regards to that. It's highly likely I'm in the minority (or possibly even alone) with my thoughts on this but I believe every person is capable of terrible things, even murder; it's just a matter of vast differences in personal limits being reached, individual levels or abilities of restraint, and personal beliefs in regards to when something is permissable in their own mind regardless of the law.

I realize some will think this is like comparing apples to oranges, but the core of it is really the same: taking someone else's life or being someone who can kill or someone who cannot;

If I were to find myself under attack on the front lines of a war and it's me or them...you bet your I'm going to shoot until I no longer have ammo.

Find myself the victim of a home invasion...they chose the wrong house to invade.

Find myself the victim of an assault/abduction/attempted murder....I've got too much to live for to go down without a massive fight.

So for myself, personally, if I am in a me or them/my life or theirs type of situation, I would definitely, without question be capable of killing someone. That is my (known) personal limit or times when I can knowingly justify it.

Each person is different. Some never think it is okay and would never harm another person. Others have much lower limits (road rage, gang retaliation, money, jealousy etc).
I suppose we all don't know our limits until we are face to face with them. Until that point, it's easy for the rest of us to point fingers or judge because "we would never...."

ETA: The Mathews obviously had a personal limit they had reached, if even in a fleeting moment. They don't get a pass from me either way; even if I too can admit to having my own personal limits.

May I add or to protect my family?

I agree that under the right conditions (or wrong conditions) everyone is capable of killing. Even those who don’t believe they could. Yes mam you better believe I would have that capacity. Fortunately for society I also have the tools to prevent me from doing so in the wrong circumstances (I think lol) and I also choose not to use that capability. With out those tools ( morals, conscience, empathy, Love, stress and anger management skills, etc., I don’t know what I could do.

 

[Niner]

Just a reminder on what's happening tomorrow!

Monday, November 27th:
*Bond Reduction Hearing @ 9am CT - TX - Sherin Mathews (3) (Oct. 7, 2017) - Sini Ann Mathews (35) - charged with felony abandoning or child endangerment. Arrested 11/16, held on $250K bond. Hearing held 11/17; Sini remains in Dallas jail


:judge:

 

[Grouchymom]

Just a reminder on what's happening tomorrow!

Monday, November 27th:
*Bond Reduction Hearing @ 9am CT - TX - Sherin Mathews (3) (Oct. 7, 2017) - Sini Ann Mathews (35) - charged with felony abandoning or child endangerment. Arrested 11/16, held on $250K bond. Hearing held 11/17; Sini remains in Dallas jail


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why diid I think the hearing was at 1 pm central?

 

[Inthedetails]

Just a reminder on what's happening tomorrow!

Monday, November 27th:
*Bond Reduction Hearing @ 9am CT - TX - Sherin Mathews (3) (Oct. 7, 2017) - Sini Ann Mathews (35) - charged with felony abandoning or child endangerment. Arrested 11/16, held on $250K bond. Hearing held 11/17; Sini remains in Dallas jail


:judge:

Thanks - I did forget.

I've been doing so much scrolling and rolling that I lost track of case developments.

jmo

 

[Margo/Mom]

I agree!!! GM, thank you for the insight on RAD! Being a foster parent, I was introduced to RAD! It was no easy task! I wish I had this insight back then! CPS, attempted to give info on RAD, it was minamal, at best. They were just looking for placements for my fosters (I use the term "fosters" lightly....I loved them as they were my own bio children). CPS didn't care where these children were placed! As long as "you didn't call them on a regular basis, all was well". When in truth, many of my "fosters" were lost by the system. CPS, had the mindset, "they are in a home, that's all that matters". When my two babies, brothers, 11 months apart in age, were removed from my home, I said "NO MORE"!!!! My bios are adults. Those two precious babies...I would have given my life for them, as I would my bio children.


I apologize, I have to stop now..... they were MY babies!!!!! They were taken away because the youngest of the two "ran away" on Halloween day.

The eldest of the two, had been in our home for 2 years. We fought the system..... we wanted the brothers to be together. the youngest one was only with us for a brief time..... he's the one that "ran away". The eldest is now up for adoption, the youngest is in an institute.

Our goal was to adopt both. Due to the fact that I didn't appeal the CPS decision to take them out of our home (they honestly had no cause to do so) we were no longer "allowed" to "foster".


I had had runaways, many times, none were ever removed from my home.

This instance seriously broke my family apart. Now divorced, the father to our children... all adults.... all because I didn't appeal the process. These boys were literally 11 months apart, in age. When they were stripped out of my families arms, they were 7 and 6 years old. They had never had a stable home life, both molested by their bio father, mom watched.

The tears that are flowing right now, I can't hold back!!!

What happened to Sherin, whatever it was, it scares the hell out of me!!!! Where has the humanity been lost????

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Many thanks to you, and to Grouchymom for introducing attachment to the discussion--and for opening your wounds. I was fortunate to adopt once at birth and the second time a child placed at birth with a stable and loving "veteran" foster family. Even though they chose not to adopt (based on parent's age and health, etc), they experienced great loss of the child (my son) they had dared to bond with. One thing we understand is that if children bond with fosters they are much more likely to be able to bond in an adoptive family. I cry with you at the loss of your children. Sometimes I believe CPS is far more willing to move children in search of a "better" family than to support the family they are in (birth, foster or adoptive) to better meet their needs.

One tidbit I recall from a speaker I once heard on RAD (brand new thinking at the time) was a tip-off to suspect RAD in situations where the parents seem "unreasonably angry." Very often such children (and he was using the frightening term "children without a conscience") present as charming, articulate, friendly in casual or non-home situations, saving up horrendous behavior for the family. Hence, a penchant for clinicians to try to fix parents without recognizing very real pathologies in the children. I offer this as possible explanation for the observed reactions of those in the family's community (church). But it also aligns with the adoption follow-up report which noted feeding problems at home, but not elsewhere.

And--as always--offered by way of understanding, not excusing.

 

[MissMalowe]

Hey, thank you! I'm sorry because I think I did misunderstand your post. I appreciate your clarification, and I get your meaning now.

You're correct. There ARE many shades of grey. So sorry if I inferred something you didn't intend at all...

Not a problem, apology accepted and I extend my apologies if my post caused confusion.

 

[Rocco]

why diid I think the hearing was at 1 pm central?

Because this link says 1pm: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...d-on-Child-Endangerment-Charge-458059503.html

And this link says 9am: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...tion-Hearing-Set-for-Next-Week-459157433.html

 

[MissMalowe]

why diid I think the hearing was at 1 pm central?

Just checked my phone's calendar and I had it saved as being at 10:00am cst??? I think that was perhaps the result of my calendar's default time setting if a specific time is not input or "all day event" box not checked off when putting in appointments. I double checked and the 9am time is correct.

As a result of that incident, Sini was charged with child endangerment and is being held on $250,000 bond after being arraigned last week. With the bond hearing scheduled for 9 a.m. Nov. 27, she is expected to remain in jail through Thanksgiving.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...earing-Set-for-Next-Week-459157433.html?amp=y

 

[Margo/Mom]

I am so sorry that you and your family were yet other case of abuse by the system. I have seen it time and time again. For some bizarre reason the parents that care the most and fight for their children seem to be the least supported. I sometimes think the system is afraid of strong dedicated fosters and would rather have lazy yes people. It seems to happen country wide. Yet as you know the warehouses always do fine. We were not supposed to grieve the loss of those children that were part of our lives it they deciided to send them home or to family after a year or more, just when they were finally bonding well. I know it doesn’t help but please know you are not alone. We almost lost our Katie days before the adoption was final to a family member showed up at the last possible moment after she had been in the system for almost two years. We spoke with her doctors and they agreed a change like that could have literally killed her. We decided it was the last foster we were going to do an d hired a lawyer. Several thousands of dollars later we, no Katie prevailed. We knew she would never.survive with a 21 yr old with no parenting or medical experience, in a mobile home in Mississippi. But we also knew if we bucked the system they would make us pay. So the day the adoptions was final we hung up our license. We also realized she was going to need all of our attention at that point anyway. We were also i the process of trying to adopt another baby that we had and the day we contested them giving Katie to that family member they removed the boy that we had for almost a year and got 6 weeks after he was born. They placed him with a great grandmother that had failed not one but 3 home studies. We had to mourn him just as surely as if had passed away. But hang in there the sun doesn’t shine on the same dog every day.

My son's good foster family fought their local county CPS. I forget the issue, but it had to do with corruption. As a result they received no more placements. However, they were not done, so they were able to be approved by the next county over (my state is highly localized)--which is how they came to be family to my son before handing him over, with tears and broken hearts, to me. They chose--putting his needs over their love--and I am forever grateful.

 

[Niner]

Because this link says 1pm: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...d-on-Child-Endangerment-Charge-458059503.html

And this link says 9am: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...tion-Hearing-Set-for-Next-Week-459157433.html

Thanks Rocco! I knew I saw the time on an article, must have been that 2nd one!

 

[MissMalowe]

Because this link says 1pm: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...d-on-Child-Endangerment-Charge-458059503.html

And this link says 9am: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...tion-Hearing-Set-for-Next-Week-459157433.html

Is the 1pm link for the hearing on the 29th the custody hearing and the 9am Monday the 27th the bond reduction hearing?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Not a problem, apology accepted and I extend my apologies if my post caused confusion.

I so love polite threads. Y’all, even all y’all are the best!
Justice for this little angel!

 

[Grouchymom]

Because this link says 1pm: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...d-on-Child-Endangerment-Charge-458059503.html

And this link says 9am: https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/S...tion-Hearing-Set-for-Next-Week-459157433.html

Thanks for this i was beginning to think my mind was slipping LOL

 

[Margo/Mom]

I agree with everything you have said here. Maybe I'm heartless, but I really don't care how overwhelmed two adults are, all I can think of is how this poor baby was dumped in a culvert and given no respect. It's like what someone might do if they find a drowned rat in their swimming pool -- toss it over the fence and let the city dispose of it.

Can you perhaps consider that others might have possibly erred in terms of placement, or lack of intervention?

I have a hard time believing that these two people simply woke up one day and decided to kill their child and toss her out like garbage. Or that they adopted with that in mind.

Again, I think it comes down to a need to put distance between them and ourselves--they are just bad, bad people.

The downside to that kind of thinking is that it does little to inform ongoing public policy. IOW placing children with "good" people and somehow figuring out in advance who the "bad" people are. Life, and people, are much more complicated than that.

 

[Grouchymom]

Is the 1pm link for the hearing on the 29th the custody hearing and the 9am Monday the 27th the bond reduction hearing?

Correct

 

[JazzTune]

Can you perhaps consider that others might have possibly erred in terms of placement, or lack of intervention?

I have a hard time believing that these two people simply woke up one day and decided to kill their child and toss her out like garbage. Or that they adopted with that in mind.

Again, I think it comes down to a need to put distance between them and ourselves--they are just bad, bad people.

The downside to that kind of thinking is that it does little to inform ongoing public policy. IOW placing children with "good" people and somehow figuring out in advance who the "bad" people are. Life, and people, are much more complicated than that.

Respectfully disagree. Does not come down to a need to put distance between them and ourselves.

It's not about us. We are not part of the equation.

Comes down to one reason, and one reason only.

Justice for this precious child...



JMO

 

[MissMalowe]

Anyone have any legal insight or even just a guess as to what will now occur at the custody hearing on the 29th (1pm) now that both parents are in jail?

Previously, the goal was for Sini to regain custody since only WM was in jail at that time. So what would be the "point" or the goal now?