GUILTY TX - Six Stay family members slain in their Spring home, 9 July 2014

[Cinnamon]

Mental illness? I'm so sick of that as a excuse to commit crimes.. He abused his family during his marriage because I believe he's a mean man, selfish and weak, I could go on..... That isn't mental illness... He deserves major prison time or death IMO!!!

:ditto: ITA. Mental illness my a$$! Someone else alluded to this in an earlier post (sorry can' remember who), but it's not like he just snapped and started shooting up people willy-nilly (even then I would have a problem with a so-called mental illness, based on his past).That was NOT the case here. He did not just snap, he had a plan, he tied them up, he spent time in the house waiting until all family members were present...then, he methodically and deliberately EXECUTED a family!!! If this is not a DP case, especially in TX, then I don't know what is! JMO.

 

[SCHMAE]

Mental illness? I'm so sick of that as a excuse to commit crimes.. He abused his family during his marriage because I believe he's a mean man, selfish and weak, I could go on..... That isn't mental illness... He deserves major prison time or death IMO!!!

I second that times a million. Not aware ? He managed to drive from CA to TX aware enough? He managed to evade LE in CA after the mom got a restraining order ........ right? He managed to drive right to the house of the family he was jealous of and who might know where his x wife is. That's thinking pretty clear and pretty calculated. He didn't barge through the door and shoot everyone. He methodically, THOUGHTFULLY even, incapacitated them one at a time so they could not get away or call 911 and then waited, PATIENTLY even , for the parents to come home. He's going to have a very hard time with an insanity defense.
Self centered, power hungry, jealous , afraid little boy running the show. Seen it plenty of times on WS and in RL. Not impressed. You won't win this one, pipsqueak little ( every cuss word you ever heard) SOB.

ETA Not to mention a standoff . If he were 'insane' wouldn't he just pull on over for the police and ask what they needed ?

 

[SCHMAE]

:ditto: ITA. Mental illness my a$$! Someone else alluded to this in an earlier post (sorry can' remember who), but it's not like he just snapped and started shooting up people willy-nilly (even then I would have a problem with a so-called mental illness, based on his past).That was NOT the case here. He did not just snap, he had a plan, he tied them up, he spent time in the house waiting until all family members were present...then, he methodically and deliberately EXECUTED a family!!! If this is not a DP case, especially in TX, then I don't know what is! JMO.

I'm thanking God this happened in a DP state.

 

[SCHMAE]

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Gran...uston-area-You-have-to-forgive-266791201.html

''"I told [our surviving granddaughter] how sorry I was of everything that happened, but we were so grateful she's still here with us," said Joyce Stay, the mother of Stephen Stay, who was killed along with his wife and and four of their children. "And she said, "My mom and dad are in a better place now. You have to forgive, and that's a process. We can do that." '''

Unbelievable ! This family is amazing. God Bless Them !

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

but come on, there HAS to be some level of mental illness here, no? Mentally healthy people don't do this!

 

[Gardenlady]

Mental illness does not necessarily mean one cannot tell right from wrong. There's a vast difference between having say, an anxiety disorder, or depression, or something, and having a mentall illness that includes psychosis, say.

That's why the legal (but not medical) standard is "insane". One CAN be mentally ill and still recognize reality.

I'm sure this guy does has some mental illness. But I'm equally sure as hell knew what he was doing and that it was wrong.


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[AzPistonsGirl]

I was not excusing this guy by any stretch, just saying that he is obviously not mentally healthy, be it depression, anxiety or psychosis. And I agree that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

 

[lstiff]

Mental illness does not necessarily mean one cannot tell right from wrong. There's a vast difference between having say, an anxiety disorder, or depression, or something, and having a mentall illness that includes psychosis, say.

That's why the legal (but not medical) standard is "insane". One CAN be mentally ill and still recognize reality.

I'm sure this guy does has some mental illness. But I'm equally sure as hell knew what he was doing and that it was wrong.


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I was not excusing this guy by any stretch, just saying that he is obviously not mentally healthy, be it depression, anxiety or psychosis. And I agree that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

I agree 100% :goodpost:

 

[Gardenlady]

I was not excusing this guy by any stretch, just saying that he is obviously not mentally healthy, be it depression, anxiety or psychosis. And I agree that he knew what he was doing was wrong.

No I know, I was in total agreement with your post. Just wanted to expand a little bit for those who dismiss mental illness totally, or think that anyone who believes he is mentally ill must be excusing him.


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[PaperDoll]

but come on, there HAS to be some level of mental illness here, no? Mentally healthy people don't do this!

Not buying it, sorry.. He knows what he did, he knows right from wrong and simply didn't care, no mental illness there. Mentally healthy people can snap under certain situations, then regret it later, feel remorseful, but not this guy, nope. He is pathetic in my eyes and I don't feel sorry for him one bit and I'm known to have a bleeding heart, NOT FOR THIS GUY!!!

 

[Gardenlady]

Who said they felt sorry for him? And again, mental illness does not necessarily mean unable to tell right from wrong.


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[PaperDoll]

Who said they felt sorry for him? And again, mental illness does not necessarily mean unable to tell right from wrong.


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I understand what you are saying, and no one said they felt sorry for him, I'm just saying that I don't :blowkiss:

 

[stg]

RLH collapsed in court today:

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-80782586/

 

[sinjin_samhain]

OH FFS !!!!!!!!!

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Neig...utside-ex-brother-in-laws-home-266733211.html


WFAA-TV
5 mins ·
Ron Haskell, the suspect in the shooting deaths of six members of a Houston area family, has collapsed in a court hearing this morning. He was taken away in a wheelchair.

ETA ,, Go get you some free medical care while the state's paying your bills and burying your victims.
Let me guess, a psychotic breakdown?

I CAN'T!~

First post here,I'll jump right in: Last night/this morning,I read through this thread in it's entirety.Just got home from work and went online to see what all was happening and I had the EXACT word for word reaction! So much for this guy and his "cool as a cucumber" demeanor.Reality is like,that.I also concur with you and others that have made the assertion that this guy absolutely knows what he did and is not "insane".His movements were calculated and cunning.He even went BACK to his ex-inlaws house a second time in a Fed-Ex "disguise" in order to try to gain entry a second time.I'm guessing that right about now he must be re-thinking not pulling the trigger on himself when he had the chance.

I also wonder at what point he found out that the oldest child was still alive.I'll bet that was a rude awakening and unwelcome news.I hope they keep this on constant suicide watch,because he needs to be accountable for his actions.I also pray that all surviving family members who are touched and impacted by this tragedy find the strength and support they will need to deal with this and that God and others will comfort them through the grieving process.

 

[Indy Anna]

RLH collapsed in court today:

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-80782586/

If he can't handle court, wait until he meets all of the angry fathers in prison!

 

[Indy Anna]

First post here,I'll jump right in: Last night/this morning,I read through this thread in it's entirety.Just got home from work and went online to see what all was happening and I had the EXACT word for word reaction! So much for this guy and his "cool as a cucumber" demeanor.Reality is like,that.I also concur with you and others that have made the assertion that this guy absolutely knows what he did and is not "insane".His movements were calculated and cunning.He even went BACK to his ex-inlaws house a second time in a Fed-Ex "disguise" in order to try to gain entry a second time.I'm guessing that right about now he must be re-thinking not pulling the trigger on himself when he had the chance.

I also wonder at what point he found out that the oldest child was still alive.I'll bet that was a rude awakening and unwelcome news.I hope they keep this on constant suicide watch,because he needs to be accountable for his actions.I also pray that all surviving family members who are touched and impacted by this tragedy find the strength and support they will need to deal with this and that God and others will comfort them through the grieving process.

BBM 1 I wonder if he didn't find out until in court today and is the reason why he collapsed. Maybe he would have killed himself when surrounded by LE if he knew they had already discovered the bodies or had more on him than just suspicion. Could be he thought LE were chasing him on violation of restraining order b/c his mother reported he was headed for TX?

BBM 2 I hate it when these thugs kill themselves after killing someone else so they don't have to suffer the consequences. I'm glad he didn't, although I hope he wishes he did commit suicide instead of hurting anyone else. I hope prison is a very miserable place for him.

 

[HMSHood]

Go ahead and read the sister's request for a restraining order and tell me why it wasn't granted last year. Wow, I find this so upsetting!

Slaying suspect's mother and sister were afraid
http://www.10news.com/news/texas-shooting-spree-suspect-had-a-restraining-order-against-him

"SAN DIEGO - Court documents show the mother and sister of a California man accused of shooting a couple and their four children had each filed a request for a restraining order for alleged domestic violence."

and also further down in article

"The suspect's sister had previously filed a request for a restraining order late last year for another incident. That restraining order was not granted. Here are some excerpts from the court document:..."

There are red flags all over Ron Haskell.

 

[HMSHood]

If he can't handle court, wait until he meets all of the angry fathers in prison!

If he can't do the crime, than don't do the time.

 

[sinjin_samhain]

BBM 1 I wonder if he didn't find out until in court today and is the reason why he collapsed. Maybe he would have killed himself when surrounded by LE if he knew they had already discovered the bodies or had more on him than just suspicion. Could be he thought LE were chasing him on violation of restraining order b/c his mother reported he was headed for TX?

BBM 2 I hate it when these thugs kill themselves after killing someone else so they don't have to suffer the consequences. I'm glad he didn't, although I hope he wishes he did commit suicide instead of hurting anyone else. I hope prison is a very miserable place for him.

I was speculating last night in the wee hours as I read this thread through if he already knew certain details or not.I wondered first more in general,but at the end of the thread (at that point in time,meaning after he surrendered) and that LE officer was quoted as saying that he was "cool as a cucumber".I wondered how much he knew after he was characterized as being "cool and calm".When I saw this evening that he'd collapsed twice during court proceedings,I pondered the same thing you mentioned at speculated if that was the first time he was aware of certain details.
Because he went (from what I understand) straight from the first shooting location to the grandparents house.Only,little did he know that they were tipped off,so he took off and LE chased him.So,at that point,he knew something was up,but like you noted already,he may very well have not known exactly WHAT was up/why LE was waiting on his butt.Then they corner him and bring in all kinds of reinforcement and he's in his car for 4+ hours before he surrenders,finally.So,I'm wondering if he found out via radio or maybe via internet on his phone exactly what transpired and how come they were there waiting on him already....maybe he thought neighbors called it in.
Now,today in court,come to find out,the oldest child is alive and he realizes she not only foiled the second part of his plan,but now there is a witness,and not only that,but she is old enough and articulate enough to testify exactly how things went down,so it won't be his version only.

Back in the 90's,I was a correctional nurse on 3rd shift at Central Prison in Raleigh,NC in the prison hospital.We frequently had people on suicide watch there and I vowed that not one single person was going to exit this mortal coil on my watch.Actions have consequences,that is the Law of the Universe.

 

[PaperDoll]

Teen Shot in Texas Family Slaying Released From Hospital


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/te...exas-family-slaying-released-hospital-n154101