TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #37

[Jethro4WS]

I thought it was her last time at Creekside not Stonegate. (name of church at convention center at Midlothian.)

And I can't imagine that Creekside would willingly give anyone their blueprints. They probably paid decent $ to an architect for the planning of the church.

And.....if anyone asked, they'd probably say no. But maybe they would remember who it was that asked.

Was Creekside ever contacted by anyone at WS for a layout? If so, what was their response? Probably a big fat no?! I recall SteveS and Jethro with help from others constructing 2 different but equally great maps.

SteveS, I think you said you toured the place. How did you manage that w/out raising concerns from people at the church?

Does/did Creekside give church tours to "prospective members?"
If so, they possibly have a list of those who came for a tour. Always good to have a name and phone # where the church can contact the prospective member to ask, "We hoped you liked our church. Would you like to come for a Sunday service?"

IDK but it sounds like there are a lot of churches in the area competing for the same people. How do they manage?

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It was the last week for the classes Missy was holding at the Convention Center. Those classes were moving elsewhere.

All I said was that MPD should inquire about such things because I believe SP had access to information that couldn't be obtained merely by observation. They could know someone at Creekside that could provide information, for example. Maybe they know someone that works for the city. Maybe they know the architect. One of the churches the architect of Creekside worked on has a many hundred page construction specification document online.

I just happened to reference a church (without publicly naming it) that had interesting coincidences for those pursuing other theories that may have to do with churches or church personnel. There could be any number of churches out there thinking of building.

 

[ezrah]

I will have a longer explanation later about this, maybe after the weekend. The short answer is that it is the only place in the southwest of the building where Missy was killed that doesn't have a number of problems and still conform to what MPD has said. The library is entirely within the southwest of the building. It also provides great visibility of Missy's arrival and/or the unexpected arrival of others, is out of range of cameras and provides access internally to the office area that allows a way to navigate the church and not be seen on camera either getting to the library or getting from the library to the exit, and, of course, plenty of glass.

What I will say is that if Missy was not killed there then I have to expand the number of people that could have done this as it would no longer require someone that was an intelligent planner but rather someone born with a rabbit's foot and somewhat less intelligence. My theory from the beginning is that there was nothing random about what SP did in that church that morning and that there was no way to achieve what MPD has said without having access to information that isn't easy to come by. My hunt for a POI started with that direction in mind and with the goal of finding someone that has the background, capability, and motive to meet all of the known elements of this crime along with being able to meet the additional criteria of my theory. If I hadn't tripped across someone that met all of this I would have to approach this with a different theory.

I have said I could be wrong about this. Others have different theories and POIs. They could be right. But until I see something that can discount this person or my theory I will stick with what I have.

All of this is just my opinion, of course.

Do you happen to know if your POI has a history of violence outside of a profession ( past or present)? Any domestic violence, assault and battery, restraining orders on record with any law entity? I'm just curious bc that would make me look at your POI a little more


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[ardenmost]

Well, the woman I'm speaking of is front and center facing BB while he is thanking everyone. She appears to be a fellow CG trainer and not one of the campers. I saw her twice in the video: hugging BB and then again looking up at him while he is tearfully giving his thanks. She also appeared in a pic from the race they held for Missy. It wasn't a long.


Do you have a link to the video? Thanks.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Do you happen to know if your POI has a history of violence outside of a profession ( past or present)? Any domestic violence, assault and battery, restraining orders on record with any law entity? I'm just curious bc that would make me look at your POI a little more


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No. It is my belief, my POI no exception, that if MPD does ever arrest someone for this they will not have a criminal record of any kind. Moving/Parking violations maybe but no criminal record. My take on SP from the videos is that they are not an experienced criminal of any sort but rather someone with a mission to accomplish.

 

[finine]

I will have a longer explanation later about this, maybe after the weekend. The short answer is that it is the only place in the southwest of the building where Missy was killed that doesn't have a number of problems and still conform to what MPD has said. The library is entirely within the southwest of the building. It also provides great visibility of Missy's arrival and/or the unexpected arrival of others, is out of range of cameras and provides access internally to the office area that allows a way to navigate the church and not be seen on camera either getting to the library or getting from the library to the exit, and, of course, plenty of glass.

What I will say is that if Missy was not killed there then I have to expand the number of people that could have done this as it would no longer require someone that was an intelligent planner but rather someone born with a rabbit's foot and somewhat less intelligence. My theory from the beginning is that there was nothing random about what SP did in that church that morning and that there was no way to achieve what MPD has said without having access to information that isn't easy to come by. My hunt for a POI started with that direction in mind and with the goal of finding someone that has the background, capability, and motive to meet all of the known elements of this crime along with being able to meet the additional criteria of my theory. If I hadn't tripped across someone that met all of this I would have to approach this with a different theory.

I have said I could be wrong about this. Others have different theories and POIs. They could be right. But until I see something that can discount this person or my theory I will stick with what I have.

All of this is just my opinion, of course.

I am so intrigued and fascinated by your theory. I need to go back and dig up the building diagrams because I'm drawing a blank on the location of the library ...


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[BeesInMyBonnet]

Well, the woman I'm speaking of is front and center facing BB while he is thanking everyone. She appears to be a fellow CG trainer and not one of the campers. I saw her twice in the video: hugging BB and then again looking up at him while he is tearfully giving his thanks. She also appeared in a pic from the race they held for Missy. It wasn't a long.


Do you have a link to the video? Thanks.

Could this be it? http://jackontheweb.cbslocal.com/vi...aks-at-vigil-for-murdered-wife-in-midlothian/


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[SteveS]

I will have a longer explanation later about this, maybe after the weekend. The short answer is that it is the only place in the southwest of the building where Missy was killed that doesn't have a number of problems and still conform to what MPD has said. The library is entirely within the southwest of the building. .

"and still conform to what MPD has said" ... Maybe I am misunderstanding where you think the library is located. Otherwise, I think its location directly conflicts with what LE told us about where she was found. I'll be glad to explain with specifics, using LE's words, but it's probably better to preface that with letting you identify which room (on your map) is the one you identify as the library, just in case I've missed something.

 

[finine]

"and still conform to what MPD has said" ... Maybe I am misunderstanding where you think the library is located. Otherwise, I think its location directly conflicts with what LE told us about where she was found. I'll be glad to explain with specifics, using LE's words, but it's probably better to preface that with letting you identify which room (on your map) is the one you identify as the library, just in case I've missed something.

Ok Jethro. I just (quickly) browsed through your post history on this topic and I believe the last map you posted was dated 7/15. Do you believe the library is located in either room S1 or S2?

Also, do you have a motive in mind for your SP? Revenge? Anger? Relationship gone awry?...


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[arkansasmimi]

I haven't studied it in much detail yet, but here is a PDF from LinkedIn that covers their guidelines for LE to request data.

https://help.linkedin.com/ci/fattac...aw_Enforcement_Guidelines_11_15_2015_9C7C.pdf

I did note they say they do NOT accept requests from LE to identify a member based upon IP address. LE basically has to give LinkedIn either the person's name or their LinkedIn profile URL in order to obtain records from LinkedIn about that account.

Now if memory serves, the only LinkedIn SW in this case is the one for CW, correct? LE never sought a SW for MB's LinkedIn? I only recall SWs for her FB and her cell phone.

Which leads me to this: if LE thought that the creepy message was anyone other than CW, then surely they would have pursued other LinkedIn SWs besides just CW, right? So either they had compelling evidence that the creepy message was actually CW, or else they really dropped the ball not pursuing it further.


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RBBM, MB LinkedIn account did have a SW, and both her and CW an Emerg request was faxed over prior to the Order...from my timeline I have been keeping for my personal notes.(filed is filed with the court clerk as required by Texas Statute if not sealed) The FB were obtained but had been sealed twice

Mon 4/18 6:25 pm MB Gray Ford F150 Stephen Cooper Filed 4/21

Tues 4/19 5:56 pm Forensic Exam & Extraction MB iPhone & iPad Cody Moon Filed 5/3

Wed 4/20 7:05 p.m. Exigent Circumstances signed by Judge for FB accounts for BB & MB SW both Sworn by completed by Nick Shelby/Nicholas Shelby* http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12676345#post12676345

**side note from my notes for 4/21/16 :
MB Ford F150 released BB picked up truck
SIL KS thinks MB Targeted
BB phone had been looked at by this dated “ said Tucker. "I know that they have questioned him, looked at their phones." http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Sl...ster-in-Law-Speaks-to-Dateline-376629821.html

Thur 4/21 Affidavit notarized for FB accounts for BB & MB SW both Sworn by completed by Nick Shelby/Nicholas Shelby*
Thur 4/21 States Motion to Seal SW for MB and BB Facebook Cynthia Hellstern Asst County and District Attorney
Thur 4/21 7:03 pm AT&T Cell Tower Dump hrs of 3-5 am Cody McKinney Filed 5/5

Fri 4/22 9:03 am Order Sealing FB Search Warrants for MB and BB accounts for 30 days
Fri 4/22 8:40 pm The Dry Cleaner Super Center Cody McKinney Filed 4/27

**side note 4/23 MB funeral
**side note 4/24 End date for the ATT Target number time frame (March 1 - April 24) that SW would be issued next day Mon 4/25

Mon 4/25 3:25 pm AT&T Target Numbers Cody McKinney Filed 5/5 > MB, BB, RB, VB, AT, CT, KC, MC, WH

Tues 4/26 Faxed Emergency Data Req & Preservation LinkedIn Missy Bevers Nick Selby Filed 5/5

Tues 4/26 Faxed Emergency Data Req & Preservation LinkedIn Casey Williams Nick Selby Filed 5/5

Wed 4/27 3:50pm LinkedIn Missy Bevers acct Cody McKinney Filed 5/5

Wed 4/27 3:50 pm LinkedIn Casey Williams acct Cody McKinney Filed 5/5

Thur 5/19 1:09 pm Affidavit for 30 day extension to keep sealed FB SW for MB and BB Cody McKinney
Thur 5/19 1:50 pm Order signed 30 day extension to keep FB SW for MB and BB accounts sealed

Mon 6/27 Warrant Return Notarized for MB and BB FB Cody McKinney

Fri 7/1 Filing/Release of Sealed SW for MB and BB Facebook accounts

 

[Jethro4WS]

"and still conform to what MPD has said" ... Maybe I am misunderstanding where you think the library is located. Otherwise, I think its location directly conflicts with what LE told us about where she was found. I'll be glad to explain with specifics, using LE's words, but it's probably better to preface that with letting you identify which room (on your map) is the one you identify as the library, just in case I've missed something.

The Library is the room labeled S2 on the map. It is the room on the South hall that has a glass wall along the hallway with glass doors.

 

[Razz]

Well, the woman I'm speaking of is front and center facing BB while he is thanking everyone. She appears to be a fellow CG trainer and not one of the campers. I saw her twice in the video: hugging BB and then again looking up at him while he is tearfully giving his thanks. She also appeared in a pic from the race they held for Missy. It wasn't a long.


Do you have a link to the video? Thanks.

This turned out to be of no interest.
I was asking if there was a possibility that this woman could be the wife of Jethro's POI and Jethro said the wife has no affiliation with CG.

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[Cannonball3804]

The Library is the room labeled S2 on the map. It is the room on the South hall that has a glass wall along the hallway with glass doors.

Jethro, this is a bit off-topic but still relates to your (excellent) map.

Really the only thing I can think of that you haven't accounted for but which would be useful to note on the map IMHO: the security cameras.

Any chance you could add them at some point?


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[arkansasmimi]

:thinking: One thing I have been curious of is when were the listening to BB phone that KS was speaking of? (paraphrasing have to find the link/exact quote) Reading the Texas Statutes makes me wonder if BB did get an attorney JMHO (personally for many reason one should have been gotten right away)

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.18.htm

 

[Razz]

:thinking: One thing I have been curious of is when were the listening to BB phone that KS was speaking of? (paraphrasing have to find the link/exact quote) Reading the Texas Statutes makes me wonder if BB did get an attorney JMHO (personally for many reason one should have been gotten right away)

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.18.htm

ON April 27, 2016 when BB and his dad RB had a press conference in front of MPD re the bloody clothing, BB was asked at the end of that press conference if he had hired a lawyer. He replied that he had not because there was no need.

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[Jethro4WS]

Ok Jethro. I just (quickly) browsed through your post history on this topic and I believe the last map you posted was dated 7/15. Do you believe the library is located in either room S1 or S2?

Also, do you have a motive in mind for your SP? Revenge? Anger? Relationship gone awry?...


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S2 is the Library. Motive has to do with SP not wanting Missy and what she was up to in and around their life - particularly their spouse and children.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Jethro, this is a bit off-topic but still relates to your (excellent) map.

Really the only thing I can think of that you haven't accounted for but which would be useful to note on the map IMHO: the security cameras.

Any chance you could add them at some point?


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Something that I have wanted to add. Although based on the scale of my map (1 document point = 4 inches) they would have to be over-exaggerated in size but centered on what I believe to be their location. I do have to get back to that map as I know there are some other adjustments to be made based on what Dedee had described from being there.

 

[arkansasmimi]

The Library is the room labeled S2 on the map. It is the room on the South hall that has a glass wall along the hallway with glass doors.

JMHO, going by VBS 2016 photos that were posted on Creekside FB, your K 1 which is room 6 (or rather was room 6 few years back according to VBS notice to leave donations in Room 6 - room next to the Kitchen.) 2016 photos showed the door to that room which opens outwards and it was not the door that opens into the kitchen next to it.

I respectfully disagree with placement of rooms 10 and 12. (this was discussed much prior by many) Also the placement of the rooms and back of the stage area in the Worship Center/Auditorium. I have shared my thoughts on being a room behind the stage area and a prior member also said there was one. ** in the Youth FB page, at the end of one room is an open door that appears to be a small room with light on. There is a door to the right of the photo because you can see the handle/knob. Room with light on is next to the Breakaway sign. JMHO .. what the church looked like and rooms used prior to and after MB murder at least on the Sunday programs / calendars appeared to stay the same. On one photo I have is a fire exit route but it blurs when blow up enough to try to read it lol. * picture was on Creekside FB. I agree to disagree.

 

[Jethro4WS]

JMHO, going by VBS 2016 photos that were posted on Creekside FB, your K 1 which is room 6 (or rather was room 6 few years back according to VBS notice to leave donations in Room 6 - room next to the Kitchen.) 2016 photos showed the door to that room and it was not the door that opens into the kitchen next to it.

I respectfully disagree with placement of rooms 10 and 12. (this was discussed much prior by many) Also the placement of the rooms and back of the stage area in the Worship Center/Auditorium. I have shared my thoughts on being a room behind the stage area and a prior member also said there was one. ** in the Youth FB page, at the end of one room is an open door that appears to be a small room with light on. There is a door to the right of the photo because you can see the handle/knob. Room with light on is next to the Breakaway sign. JMHO .. what the church looked like and rooms used prior to and after MB murder at least on the Sunday programs / calendars appeared to stay the same. On one photo I have is a fire exit route but it blurs when blow up enough to try to read it lol. * picture was on Creekside FB. I agree to disagree.

I posted the last map I had "officially" (it has a date) published for SteveS. I have other changes to this map which were long before discussed and that will be published sometime in the near future. The issues with the east side of the building do remain to be resolved - but I have removed the "room" numbers but left my names E1, E2, E3, NS, SS so that way there isn't a need to cloud up any discussions not related to map making with map making discussions (which are still necessary and I keep looking for new pictures to make changes).

 

[Cannonball3804]

RBBM, MB LinkedIn account did have a SW, and both her and CW an Emerg request was faxed over prior to the Order...from my timeline I have been keeping for my personal notes.(filed is filed with the court clerk as required by Texas Statute if not sealed) The FB were obtained but had been sealed twice

Mon 4/18 6:25 pm MB Gray Ford F150 Stephen Cooper Filed 4/21

Tues 4/19 5:56 pm Forensic Exam & Extraction MB iPhone & iPad Cody Moon Filed 5/3

Wed 4/20 7:05 p.m. Exigent Circumstances signed by Judge for FB accounts for BB & MB SW both Sworn by completed by Nick Shelby/Nicholas Shelby* http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...eline-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=12676345#post12676345

**side note from my notes for 4/21/16 :
MB Ford F150 released BB picked up truck
SIL KS thinks MB Targeted
BB phone had been looked at by this dated “ said Tucker. "I know that they have questioned him, looked at their phones." http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Sl...ster-in-Law-Speaks-to-Dateline-376629821.html

Thur 4/21 Affidavit notarized for FB accounts for BB & MB SW both Sworn by completed by Nick Shelby/Nicholas Shelby*
Thur 4/21 States Motion to Seal SW for MB and BB Facebook Cynthia Hellstern Asst County and District Attorney
Thur 4/21 7:03 pm AT&T Cell Tower Dump hrs of 3-5 am Cody McKinney Filed 5/5

Fri 4/22 9:03 am Order Sealing FB Search Warrants for MB and BB accounts for 30 days
Fri 4/22 8:40 pm The Dry Cleaner Super Center Cody McKinney Filed 4/27

**side note 4/23 MB funeral
**side note 4/24 End date for the ATT Target number time frame (March 1 - April 24) that SW would be issued next day Mon 4/25

Mon 4/25 3:25 pm AT&T Target Numbers Cody McKinney Filed 5/5 > MB, BB, RB, VB, AT, CT, KC, MC, WH

Tues 4/26 Faxed Emergency Data Req & Preservation LinkedIn Missy Bevers Nick Selby Filed 5/5

Tues 4/26 Faxed Emergency Data Req & Preservation LinkedIn Casey Williams Nick Selby Filed 5/5

Wed 4/27 3:50pm LinkedIn Missy Bevers acct Cody McKinney Filed 5/5

Wed 4/27 3:50 pm LinkedIn Casey Williams acct Cody McKinney Filed 5/5

Thur 5/19 1:09 pm Affidavit for 30 day extension to keep sealed FB SW for MB and BB Cody McKinney
Thur 5/19 1:50 pm Order signed 30 day extension to keep FB SW for MB and BB accounts sealed

Mon 6/27 Warrant Return Notarized for MB and BB FB Cody McKinney

Fri 7/1 Filing/Release of Sealed SW for MB and BB Facebook accounts

Thank you, Mimi. So between the LinkedIn data requests for both MB and CW, LE should have been able to obtain any messages the two sent to each other under their normal profiles that had not been deleted and emptied from their Trash folder.

This does raise two potential problems:

1. No way to recover messages that were deleted from both the Sent Items of one and the Inbox/Trash of the other. Those messages are simply gone for good.

2. It really doesn't help with the creepy message mystery, unless LE showed MB's friend a page of messages including the CW messages and the friend could point one out and say that's it - that wording is exactly what MB showed me.

But if the LinkedIn message was from someone OTHER THAN CW, I don't see how LE can find that out unless that message from Apr. 15 was still on her phone or computer's LinkedIn. Then they would have a name that they could go and request more data from LI. And they obviously haven't done that because we have no additional SW.

So without a name and without a profile URL, they couldn't go back to LI and request anything more.

Anyone else have a take on the LI stuff? Something I missed?


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[ezrah]

No. It is my belief, my POI no exception, that if MPD does ever arrest someone for this they will not have a criminal record of any kind. Moving/Parking violations maybe but no criminal record. My take on SP from the videos is that they are not an experienced criminal of any sort but rather someone with a mission to accomplish.

I do appreciate your theories. I keep
thinking this perp is a person who IMO has a diabolical personality to be able to commit such a crime. They could very possibly have some violence in his/ her history. IMHO the planning, plotting, narcissism, callousness, lack of empathy for leaving children motherless just screams to me that this perp has not been " normal" before this crime and probably has some control, violence issues In their past. I can understand a crime of passion that happens relatively quickly with no impulse control in the heat of the moment, but this crime has a different feel IMO.

As for the church layout I do think the perp had most likely been in the church prior and possibly attended CG there (my top theory)or had other reasons to have been in the church before such as funerals, weddings, other events that the church allowed to use its facilities, as well as various work related visits mentioned by others are all possibilities IMO I recall some think perp did not know the church well bc of the seemingly surprised reaction to the dutch door half opening. I think that the video recording by the CCTV system appears more well lit than it was in actuality. Perp does have on a headlamp as we can see so they needed extra light to see. So if we watch the perps movements with that thought in mind it might explain the reaction to the dutch door and maybe even the hand raking along the wall as perp walks away from the camera possibly feeling their way along. Based on WS members who have mentioned it I'm now also wondering if LE editing of the video makes perp appear to be proceeding through the church faster or slower than real time at different parts of the video. All JMOO




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