TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #37

[janesmith787]

I was just watching local news in DFW, and it's interesting that a new tactical store is open in Frisco. It's called 5.11 tactical, and they used to sell only to police, but now sell to the public. NOT saying the SP bought their clothes there (at another location), but people always seem to wonder where they could've got the clothes. JMO

 

[moslym3]

When LE was asked what the rest of the surveillance video showed they said "pretty much more of the same" as what we saw in the limited clips that were shared.

I feel that if this was a targeted murder, the footage would have shown SP check his/her watch, look in the direction of any clocks in the hallway - and other behavior by someone who was expecting and preparing for an event throughout the 40~ish minutes they spent in the building before Missy arrived. They would have seen SP go to an area of the church where the driveway was visible and then see SP move to a position in the church, off camera, to prepare for attack following the known timeline of Missy's intended arrival - which, if this was targeted, he/she would know of.

If they see prep and time-checking in the footage, if they see timed movement within the church according to Missy's arrival they can assume it's a targeted murder. But they aren't sharing those details.

Watching the clips we have access to about a hundred times I see someone curiously poking around, a thrill breaking and entering with opportunistic robbery if something interesting comes up. The lack of a confirmed firearm and injuries called "puncture wounds" - probably caused by the burglary tools -- leads me to envision a frantic, panicked overkill. Someone young who thinks "kill like a threat in a video game". This person has been in the church before and figured this would be a good place to put on the disguise, break in and own the place for the night. This might be their first foray into B&E that just ended up going very wrong.

I know i'm in the minority, but I come down on the side of an interrupted burglary.

**bonus personal anecdote: I have a personal bias. I interrupted a burglary in my home earlier this year one night coming home to a dark house. I confronted him in my living room with about 10 feet between us. He swung his weapon (a giant metal claw - a common break-in tool) at me twice in a half- kind of way to scare me out of his way because i was between him and his way out. I turned on my heels, screamed bloody murder and booked out the back door. Once outside he ran past me out to the alley and escaped. This man was in his mid 50s, in and out of prison for burglary since the late 80's and old enough to know he's in deep **** if he doesn't get out and get away. His evening burglary that was supposed to be clean and easy just got messy and he knew he needed to pull the plug asap and get away.

3 nights later, about 20 blocks north of me a woman interrupted a burglary when she came home - 3 young men between 18-20 and they beat her to within an inch of her life with a baseball bat. They panicked and beat her down adding to their charges and further risking getting caught instead of booking it out of there. New criminals, no experience, brains not formed enough to weigh risk and make split second decisions. They made a very bad decision to escalate rather than escape.

Bonus resolution: I have security cams all over the place and got great images of the burglar. LE circulated the photos and his probation officer recognized him. He was arrested, charged with 1st degree burglary, caught another case while in jail due to finger prints lifted from another burglary and after about 9 months of shenanigans pleaded guilty last week. Sentencing is early January. My wish is that he needs a wheelchair or cane to commit his next burglary which will surely occur the moment he's released. So i think I'd be happy with about 15 years.

 

[DexterMorgan]

SP is a female that has been in plenty of fist fights when she was young or a teen and never backed down. She was probably considered a Tomboy in her youthful days and a no nonsense type of gal in her teen years. Jmo

But then some time went by and things had settled down due to getting older and being in relationships and or having a family.

But then Missy came along and unknowingly made this person mad for whatever reason. Example. Had an affair with the boyfriend. Or embarrassed her at earlier date. Or whatever.

And the perp decided to kill her in secret.instead of simply fighting her in public.

So hopefully the town knows what females were the tough ones that didn't take any crap for years.

And then eliminate the list one by one.

Idk

 

[Deleted member 102539]

DeDee #136

SP did not want MB to know who SP was.

:thinking: Too shameful to be recognized by MB??

 

[Deleted member 102539]

DeDee #136

SP did not drive to the CS.

:thinking: An experienced marathon runner with a hidden place for the tactical gear (plus tools) or his car? If there were more than one perp: how did they arrive/escape? Two (or three) marathon runners?

 

[darring21]

I know i'm in the minority, but I come down on the side of an interrupted burglary.

I'm with you on the interrupted burglary.

 

[Elley Mae]

I was just watching local news in DFW, and it's interesting that a new tactical store is open in Frisco. It's called 5.11 tactical, and they used to sell only to police, but now sell to the public. NOT saying the SP bought their clothes there (at another location), but people always seem to wonder where they could've got the clothes. JMO

Husband's been wearing their pants for over ten years, jmo that's not what the suspect was wearing.

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm with you on the interrupted burglary.

I as well.

I do believe that is why there has been no arrest.

 

[DeDee]

My Humble Opinion Only as I do not know who murdered Missy.

DeDee #136

SP did not want MB to know who SP was.

:thinking: Too shameful to be recognized by MB??

Great supposition, Germany. Typically, a human who can stalk and brutally kill a person is not ashamed or remorseful of their actions. SP hid at the open space leading into the alcove outside of the restrooms. MB never knew what hit her. There was no struggle only a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the evidence, at that point, in LEs investigation.

SP is likely highly skilled with weaponry because of their experience and interests. SP may have used a gun or a bow, then removed the dart type arrow. The wound made by the projectile was considered a puncture wound. However, after her autopsy is when the K9 was brought to the scene. The video footage that I've seen of the K9 showed him and his handler on the east side of the Church which is the path or direction that I suspect SP took upon departure from the CS.

DeDee #136

SP did not drive to the CS.

:thinking: An experienced marathon runner with a hidden place for the tactical gear (plus tools) or his car? If there were more than one perp: how did they arrive/escape? Two (or three) marathon runners?

May I ask why there is an assumption that the SP ran marathons?

The safety net in committing a crime of this scope is secured by acting alone.

 

[Elley Mae]

Talking about the church parking lot.


Johnson said a vehicle can be seen on the video may belong to the killer, but there's not enough information to give the public.

"There’s one surveillance camera where you can see the car in the far corner of the frame, parked in the distance. You can't make out a plate, and we're not even comfortable releasing anything about a possible make or model,” Johnson said.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Po...idlothian-Murder-Investigation-376269831.html

 

[Cannonball3804]

When LE was asked what the rest of the surveillance video showed they said "pretty much more of the same" as what we saw in the limited clips that were shared.

I feel that if this was a targeted murder, the footage would have shown SP check his/her watch, look in the direction of any clocks in the hallway - and other behavior by someone who was expecting and preparing for an event throughout the 40~ish minutes they spent in the building before Missy arrived. They would have seen SP go to an area of the church where the driveway was visible and then see SP move to a position in the church, off camera, to prepare for attack following the known timeline of Missy's intended arrival - which, if this was targeted, he/she would know of.

If they see prep and time-checking in the footage, if they see timed movement within the church according to Missy's arrival they can assume it's a targeted murder. But they aren't sharing those details.

Watching the clips we have access to about a hundred times I see someone curiously poking around, a thrill breaking and entering with opportunistic robbery if something interesting comes up. The lack of a confirmed firearm and injuries called "puncture wounds" - probably caused by the burglary tools -- leads me to envision a frantic, panicked overkill. Someone young who thinks "kill like a threat in a video game". This person has been in the church before and figured this would be a good place to put on the disguise, break in and own the place for the night. This might be their first foray into B&E that just ended up going very wrong.

I know i'm in the minority, but I come down on the side of an interrupted burglary.

**bonus personal anecdote: I have a personal bias. I interrupted a burglary in my home earlier this year one night coming home to a dark house. I confronted him in my living room with about 10 feet between us. He swung his weapon (a giant metal claw - a common break-in tool) at me twice in a half- kind of way to scare me out of his way because i was between him and his way out. I turned on my heels, screamed bloody murder and booked out the back door. Once outside he ran past me out to the alley and escaped. This man was in his mid 50s, in and out of prison for burglary since the late 80's and old enough to know he's in deep **** if he doesn't get out and get away. His evening burglary that was supposed to be clean and easy just got messy and he knew he needed to pull the plug asap and get away.

3 nights later, about 20 blocks north of me a woman interrupted a burglary when she came home - 3 young men between 18-20 and they beat her to within an inch of her life with a baseball bat. They panicked and beat her down adding to their charges and further risking getting caught instead of booking it out of there. New criminals, no experience, brains not formed enough to weigh risk and make split second decisions. They made a very bad decision to escalate rather than escape.

Bonus resolution: I have security cams all over the place and got great images of the burglar. LE circulated the photos and his probation officer recognized him. He was arrested, charged with 1st degree burglary, caught another case while in jail due to finger prints lifted from another burglary and after about 9 months of shenanigans pleaded guilty last week. Sentencing is early January. My wish is that he needs a wheelchair or cane to commit his next burglary which will surely occur the moment he's released. So i think I'd be happy with about 15 years.

To the first part of your post, LE also said regarding the video that "we don't understand all the movement in the church." LE I think is normally pretty good at recognizing intent when watching someone on video. They should be able to tell if the person is acting with planning and purpose.

The fact that they looked at the seen and unseen parts of the video and didn't understand the movement - this leads me to believe that there was no planning and purpose other than burglary/vandalism, possibly finding some food in the kitchen, etc.

I think the only planning was the outfit, to not have identity captured on camera. But I don't see murderous planning unless the perp is the most lackadaisical murderer I've ever seen.


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[Cryptic]

SP is a female that has been in plenty of fist fights when she was young or a teen and never backed down. She was probably considered a Tomboy in her youthful days and a no nonsense type of gal in her teen years. Jmo

then some time went by and things had settled down due to getting older. But then Missy came along and unknowingly made this person mad for whatever reason. So hopefully the town knows what females were the tough ones that didn't take any crap for years. And then eliminate the list one by one.

I think that is a great, hard hitting summary of the personality traits that the perpetrator could have. I also like the part about mellowing with age, but still retaining the core personality. Then something brings it to the surface again.

Though the area is growing and has seen a certain number of transplants, it still has alot of "from here" long term residents. Maybe the police could interview retired principals / teachers with that profile in mind? I wonder what class reunions are scheduled. Likewise, retired police might remember a local young woman with those traits from a minor arrest.

I also think it could be beneficial to combine the personality traits with the perpetrator's walk. She does not walk or move like a former athlete. Rather, she seems clumsy and possibly slightly "pigeon toed".

So, maybe combine those traits with possible physical traits and you get a profile of type A personality girl with a confrontational streak and who was also not part of the "athlete / cheer leader" crowd- and maybe had an innate dislike of girls from this group? Years later, a "cool female athlete" type sets her off... .

 

[TexasEx]

OT I guess, but I frequently check the Ellis County inmate search to see if any arrests might be related to this case, and I'm taken by how many people of all ages are using drugs -- shouldn't be surprised -- and by how many are arrested for trying to choke family members. Kind of depressing. Maybe I should stop looking.

Regarding the people who think this was an interrupted burglary, I want to weigh in. I disagree. Can't figure someone dressing in that outfit, moseying around a church committing vandalism, not taking anything, at 4 a.m., then committing a brutal, disfiguring murder. It's possible. Some people are easily triggered to do horrible things, but the scenario makes less sense than a murder motivated by romantic entanglements, money or some other specific reason. JMO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

My Humble Opinion Only as I do not know who murdered Missy.



Great supposition, Germany. Typically, a human who can stalk and brutally kill a person is not ashamed or remorseful of their actions. SP hid at the open space leading into the alcove outside of the restrooms. MB never knew what hit her. There was no struggle only a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the evidence, at that point, in LEs investigation.

SP is likely highly skilled with weaponry because of their experience and interests. SP may have used a gun or a bow, then removed the dart type arrow. The wound made by the projectile was considered a puncture wound. However, after her autopsy is when the K9 was brought to the scene. The video footage that I've seen of the K9 showed him and his handler on the east side of the Church which is the path or direction that I suspect SP took upon departure from the CS.



May I ask why there is an assumption that the SP ran marathons?

The safety net in committing a crime of this scope is secured by acting alone.

Forget my marathon runner! :blushing: The SP never ever would be one. I just imagined an unknown person without car and forgot the SP we have seen and how he walked around.

 

[Amateurpi1]

OT I guess, but I frequently check the Ellis County inmate search to see if any arrests might be related to this case, and I'm taken by how many people of all ages are using drugs -- shouldn't be surprised -- and by how many are arrested for trying to choke family members. Kind of depressing. Maybe I should stop looking.

Regarding the people who think this was an interrupted burglary, I want to weigh in. I disagree. Can't figure someone dressing in that outfit, moseying around a church committing vandalism, not taking anything, at 4 a.m., then committing a brutal, disfiguring murder. It's possible. Some people are easily triggered to do horrible things, but the scenario makes less sense than a murder motivated by romantic entanglements, money or some other specific reason. JMO

I agree that MB was targeted by someone she knew. When you consider all of the “romantic entanglements” (perfectly stated by TexasEx) and marital issues, there are plenty of people who could have wanted MB out of the picture. Also, the crime occurred while MB’s husband was out of town (probably not a coincidence). I think SP was well aware of MB’s schedule as well. If SP was a random burglar, I can’t see him or her wearing all of the gear. Yes, I can see covering the hands and face and/or head, but there is a lot of protective gear on the entire body, and I think that was worn because SP wanted to be prepared in case there was a struggle and to minimize the possibility of SP’s DNA getting on MB or any objects at the church. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that SP arrived when he or she did – just enough time before MB showed up to get into the church, walk around and try to make it look like a burglary gone wrong. Some people point out that it must be a random person because LE still hasn’t arrested anyone (implying it would be obvious by now if MB actually knew her killer). However, with the outside cameras at the church not working or randomly malfunctioning (thus, unable to capture a vehicle) and the outfit SP is wearing, I am not surprised LE hasn’t made an arrest yet. And if SP did come at MB from behind and she never knew what hit her, that means it’s even less likely that SP left DNA evidence due to lack of struggle. I think an arrest will come either after someone who knows SP figures it out or gets tired of keeping the secret or from the cell data/tower dump evidence (which apparently can take a while to go through). And if other agencies are helping, which they supposedly are, then maybe this case isn’t as high on their list as it would be if only MPD were handling it. Thus, a delay in getting around to analyzing all of the evidence.

 

[Cannonball3804]

...Regarding the people who think this was an interrupted burglary, I want to weigh in. I disagree. Can't figure someone dressing in that outfit, moseying around a church committing vandalism, not taking anything, at 4 a.m., then committing a brutal, disfiguring murder. It's possible. Some people are easily triggered to do horrible things, but the scenario makes less sense than a murder motivated by romantic entanglements, money or some other specific reason. JMO

Let me do a counterpoint to your points.

The outfit doesn't indicate being there to commit murder, necessarily. It indicates a desire to not be identified on camera. Could perp have just put on a mask? Yes, but it was raining hard that night. The outfit was likely water-proof or at least water-resistant.

Moseying around a church - if targeting someone, why mosey at all? You go to the spot to wait for her, and you wait.

Vandalism - why damage anything other than the door you're using to enter and escape from, if you're there to commit a murder? If you say it was just done to throw off LE, why didn't they put more effort into it - spray paint pentagrams on the wall or something? Instead, they just did a little vandalism, like they were bored and just didn't feel like leaving yet.

Not taking anything? That's what happens when your burglary is interrupted, and/or you find that there really isn't anything there to take anyway.

At 4 am - first seen on camera at 3:50, was in kitchen some period of time before that, spent time breaking in before that. This time period of night is perfect for break-ins.

Brutal, disfiguring murder - first, there is absolutely no corroboration of this. Puncture wounds to head and chest are all we truly know. And even if it was brutal, it doesn't mean the person targeted her. It could be as simple as being surprised in the bathroom when the perp never in a million years expected to encounter anyone, so the sudden rush of adrenaline and panic was uncontrolled.

I'd also add that the last we heard from LE on the matter, they were leaning toward "untargeted". And that's while having a lot more info than we do.



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[ezrah]

OT I guess, but I frequently check the Ellis County inmate search to see if any arrests might be related to this case, and I'm taken by how many people of all ages are using drugs -- shouldn't be surprised -- and by how many are arrested for trying to choke family members. Kind of depressing. Maybe I should stop looking.

Regarding the people who think this was an interrupted burglary, I want to weigh in. I disagree. Can't figure someone dressing in that outfit, moseying around a church committing vandalism, not taking anything, at 4 a.m., then committing a brutal, disfiguring murder. It's possible. Some people are easily triggered to do horrible things, but the scenario makes less sense than a murder motivated by romantic entanglements, money or some other specific reason. JMO

To that point IMO if this was a random burglary gone bad, and MPD didn't know who it was, they would be circulating more of the video. There could very well be vital info in the rest of the video and they have possibly now figured out what perps actions were in the rest of video. We don't know bc they won't tell us. "Why"I ask myself. JMO


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[Oregonmama]

Let me do a counterpoint to your points.

The outfit doesn't indicate being there to commit murder, necessarily. It indicates a desire to not be identified on camera. Could perp have just put on a mask? Yes, but it was raining hard that night. The outfit was likely water-proof or at least water-resistant.

Moseying around a church - if targeting someone, why mosey at all? You go to the spot to wait for her, and you wait.

Vandalism - why damage anything other than the door you're using to enter and escape from, if you're there to commit a murder? If you say it was just done to throw off LE, why didn't they put more effort into it - spray paint pentagrams on the wall or something? Instead, they just did a little vandalism, like they were bored and just didn't feel like leaving yet.

Not taking anything? That's what happens when your burglary is interrupted, and/or you find that there really isn't anything there to take anyway.

At 4 am - first seen on camera at 3:50, was in kitchen some period of time before that, spent time breaking in before that. This time period of night is perfect for break-ins.

Brutal, disfiguring murder - first, there is absolutely no corroboration of this. Puncture wounds to head and chest are all we truly know. And even if it was brutal, it doesn't mean the person targeted her. It could be as simple as being surprised in the bathroom when the perp never in a million years expected to encounter anyone, so the sudden rush of adrenaline and panic was uncontrolled.

I'd also add that the last we heard from LE on the matter, they were leaning toward "untargeted". And that's while having a lot more info than we do.



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It was mentioned a long time ago in the threads that ppl believed the perp was looking around to see if there might be an escape route for Missy or staging the doors so if they were moved then he or she would know where missy fled to. MOO, but I think the whole routine was for staging and throwing LE off. I think it was planned and the perp wanted to check out the environment before missy came. In regards to injuries, I think it is pretty safe to say they were horrific because campers that found missy were traumatized from their experience.

 

[Cannonball3804]

It was mentioned a long time ago in the threads that ppl believed the perp was looking around to see if there might be an escape route for Missy or staging the doors so if they were moved then he or she would know where missy fled to. MOO, but I think the whole routine was for staging and throwing LE off. I think it was planned and the perp wanted to check out the environment before missy came. In regards to injuries, I think it is pretty safe to say they were horrific because campers that found missy were traumatized from their experience.

Link?

And I'd be pretty traumatized to find my instructor murdered even if it wasn't overkill.

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[wilson15]

Let me do a counterpoint to your points.

The outfit doesn't indicate being there to commit murder, necessarily. It indicates a desire to not be identified on camera. Could perp have just put on a mask? Yes, but it was raining hard that night. The outfit was likely water-proof or at least water-resistant.

Moseying around a church - if targeting someone, why mosey at all? You go to the spot to wait for her, and you wait.

Vandalism - why damage anything other than the door you're using to enter and escape from, if you're there to commit a murder? If you say it was just done to throw off LE, why didn't they put more effort into it - spray paint pentagrams on the wall or something? Instead, they just did a little vandalism, like they were bored and just didn't feel like leaving yet.

Not taking anything? That's what happens when your burglary is interrupted, and/or you find that there really isn't anything there to take anyway.

At 4 am - first seen on camera at 3:50, was in kitchen some period of time before that, spent time breaking in before that. This time period of night is perfect for break-ins.

Brutal, disfiguring murder - first, there is absolutely no corroboration of this. Puncture wounds to head and chest are all we truly know. And even if it was brutal, it doesn't mean the person targeted her. It could be as simple as being surprised in the bathroom when the perp never in a million years expected to encounter anyone, so the sudden rush of adrenaline and panic was uncontrolled.

I'd also add that the last we heard from LE on the matter, they were leaning toward "untargeted". And that's while having a lot more info than we do.

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Too your point about a doing just a little vandalism. This sounds terrible, but if your not use to hitting people in the head with a hammer, could that "little" vandalism simply be SP practicing their swing?