TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #37

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  • #201
That's good info and will help with my list. All I really glean from the church video is total confusion. As many have pointed out perp looks feminine/masculine. I'm not positive the gait is the real gait of the perp. Perhaps an over exaggerated gait. At different parts of video perp looks dumpy, other parts slimmer/ fit. Maybe two? I do not know.


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Perhaps SteveS or Jethro4WS or BatBrat could weigh in on whether all of the interior cameras are the same height?

BatBrat showed us in early threads how a camera placed high up on a wall makes the subject appear shorter and dumpier than they really are. And the higher the camera placement, the more pronounced this effect.

So I wonder if your differing perceptions of the perp are because the camera perspectives differ?


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  • #202
Razz, I was looking closer at WH comment on the 4/17 . I think the time stamp on it is after 7pm and according to the timeline he had arrived in MS. I also think her comment is Hope you made ( not make) it. I do not have any ss after the 17 th. Maybe someone else does. JMOO


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Ok. Thanks Ezrah. I can't read the times or the messages clearly.

I know he posted the Oyster House in MI (not complete name) on his FB which appeared to be a stock photo that appears when you press "check in".

Don't know what time that occurred but would sure like to know that.

You refer to a timeline. Do you know where I can retrieve that?

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Perhaps SteveS or Jethro4WS or BatBrat could weigh in on whether all of the interior cameras are the same height?

BatBrat showed us in early threads how a camera placed high up on a wall makes the subject appear shorter and dumpier than they really are. And the higher the camera placement, the more pronounced this effect.

So I wonder if your differing perceptions of the perp are because the camera perspectives differ?


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I do think that is some of the issue and was reading along when it was discussed and also the green man images. There are still questions in my mind if I'm seeing the same footwear/ gear. Specifically the footwear when perp is by the bulletin board and looks at the camera compared to the footwear of the perp at the end of the long video where they are breaking the door glass and holding rectangular object. The shoes look long as perp is walking to the dutch doors but small when breaking the door glass. If anyone has enhanced images of those frames it might clear that up for me.


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Ok. Thanks Ezrah. I can't read the times or the messages clearly.

I know he posted the Oyster House in MI (not complete name) on his FB which appeared to be a stock photo that appears when you press "check in".

Don't know what time that occurred but would sure like to know that.

You refer to a timeline. Do you know where I can retrieve that?

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I found this one. I did not author it but it is public on a search. http://server3.slideserve.co.uk/uploads/Y2016/05/09/JSUmrf5MLe/thumbs.jpg


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CW is high on my list, too. IMO SP’s shin guards look like some of the shin guards that some that MMA fighters wear. Some of the guards have a covering for the top of the foot (perhaps if shoes or boots were worn over those types of guards w/ foot covering, it could create a “weird walk”). If you look at CW’s Linkedin page and his military experience, breaking into this church and pulling this type of crime off would be easy for him. He was in charge of planning raids with dozens of soldiers in Iraq. Not that these facts alone mean he is SP. But if for some reason he was super-angry and/or felt threatened, he definitely has the skills to seamlessly plan and carry out something like this.
Certainly can't rule out CW. The biggest problem I have had with CW is I can't find a motive that makes much sense unless there was some other activity CW was involved in (illegal) that MB was aware of taking place that we don't know about. For what it is worth LE hung him out to dry specifically (along with the victim I might add). They also moved the height range of SP into his height range - either that or his wife is a giant.

And in the coincidence department if you were to go to CW's house and look at Street View from June 2013 you will find an Altima parked in the drive way. However, it is dark and not the right model range. But maybe someone in the family likes Altimas. It is part of the reason that I thought back in May at the last MPD press conference they were sending a message.

That said, I would need a motive that makes sense to me and considering the distance between where he lives and where Missy was killed I don't know how his wife would not know he was gone in the middle of the night. And I have to think he has a pretty strong alibi or his wife doesn't mind living with a murderer for MPD not to have continued ramping up pressure on this guy.
 
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I do think that is some of the issue and was reading along when it was discussed and also the green man images. There are still questions in my mind if I'm seeing the same footwear/ gear. Specifically the footwear when perp is by the bulletin board and looks at the camera compared to the footwear of the perp at the end of the long video where they are breaking the door glass and holding rectangular object. The shoes look long as perp is walking to the dutch doors but small when breaking the door glass. If anyone has enhanced images of those frames it might clear that up for me.


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Noticed that about the two shots and different looking footwear. Also the person in the last frame seems ..young. Could just be perception. jmo
 
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Perhaps SteveS or Jethro4WS or BatBrat could weigh in on whether all of the interior cameras are the same height?

BatBrat showed us in early threads how a camera placed high up on a wall makes the subject appear shorter and dumpier than they really are. And the higher the camera placement, the more pronounced this effect.

So I wonder if your differing perceptions of the perp are because the camera perspectives differ?


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I am almost 100% certain that all the cameras that should be at the 4 corners are all the same height. I expect there is a camera in the middle of the west hallway aimed toward that big glass entryway and the ceilings there are taller but we haven't seen images from there to know what things look like.

My personal thinking is that there is a looseness to the top part - shirt for lack of better term - that SP is wearing particularly closer to the waist. And I think some of the work that BatBrat had done to remove or subtract the effect of the clothing/equipment was helpful in trying to visualize just how perspectives, angles, lighting, etc. can affect how people perceive what they are seeing (two different body shapes for example) rather than the one person that is there and moving about.

In my opinion, if there are two people in the videos they would have to be identical twin cousins. That said, I happen to believe that the camera system in use at the church was one that only records from one camera at a time. That is, if there were movement currently being recorded by a camera in one location any other movement elsewhere in the church would not be recorded so long as the other movement/recording is on going. So I have never been able to definitively rule out for myself that there couldn't have been another person in that church.
 
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I do think that is some of the issue and was reading along when it was discussed and also the green man images. There are still questions in my mind if I'm seeing the same footwear/ gear. Specifically the footwear when perp is by the bulletin board and looks at the camera compared to the footwear of the perp at the end of the long video where they are breaking the door glass and holding rectangular object. The shoes look long as perp is walking to the dutch doors but small when breaking the door glass. If anyone has enhanced images of those frames it might clear that up for me.


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Two things. Keep in mind that the very last part of the long video where SP is breaking glass is more distorted than the rest of the video there is less fish-eye correction and I am of the belief they have enlarged it somewhat and they slowed it down.

The perspective is different so the shoes/boots will look different sizes from different angles. The only way to know if they are the same is to measure them relatively against something of a known fixed size - it is why we were using door/door frames as a fixed reference.
 
  • #210
I am almost 100% certain that all the cameras that should be at the 4 corners are all the same height. I expect there is a camera in the middle of the west hallway aimed toward that big glass entryway and the ceilings there are taller but we haven't seen images from there to know what things look like.

My personal thinking is that there is a looseness to the top part - shirt for lack of better term - that SP is wearing particularly closer to the waist. And I think some of the work that BatBrat had done to remove or subtract the effect of the clothing/equipment was helpful in trying to visualize just how perspectives, angles, lighting, etc. can affect how people perceive what they are seeing (two different body shapes for example) rather than the one person that is there and moving about.

In my opinion, if there are two people in the videos they would have to be identical twin cousins. That said, I happen to believe that the camera system in use at the church was one that only records from one camera at a time. That is, if there were movement currently being recorded by a camera in one location any other movement elsewhere in the church would not be recorded so long as the other movement/recording is on going. So I have never been able to definitively rule out for myself that there couldn't have been another person in that church.

I never thought about the camera only recording one at a time, but that seems plausible now that I think about it. In regard to BatBrat's awesome work on this I have to think perp is not the dumpy looking image we think we are seeing by the bulletin board. Iirc she also thought perp had a more male body shape?? Do you happen to know which camera angle/placement might be showing us the best non distorted image?


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  • #211
I never thought about the camera only recording one at a time, but that seems plausible now that I think about it. In regard to BatBrat's awesome work on this I have to think perp is not the dumpy looking image we think we are seeing by the bulletin board. Iirc she also thought perp had a more male body shape?? Do you happen to know which camera angle/placement might be showing us the best non distorted image?


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My personal opinion is that the best view of what SP generally looks like in shape and form is when we see SP at the dutch double doors. That is from the side. I think the best perspective of front or back is when SP is coming back down the south hall toward the camera. It is almost straight on so we get a best view when closest to the camera prior to the angled turn to the left (as we see it) heading to the doors in the alcove across from the dutch double doors. It is also the place where we have the best lighting.
 
  • #212
That is incorrect. LE has stated that EACH were having relationships outside the marriage. There is media footage where they bring up that information to BB (while he is about to jump into a truck) and he then states "that's a leading questiin to try to get me to talk" look it up, it is here many times on previous threads.
 
  • #213
That is one rumor I have yet to see anything to back it up. Not anyone who said they saw him with x, have pics, seen posts, etc. I won't be surprised if he did/ is but personally just have never seen anything definitive. A friendship w WH and an interest in her family yes but proof of an affair no, not yet.

Incorrect! LE had stated that there was evidence of extra-marital affairs for EACH MB and BB. Reporter tried to question BB on that, and he flipped them off by stating "that is a leading question to try to get me to talk"

IMO Well yes BB! your family trashed MB in the public about her so called indiscretions...and here you were doing the exact same thing!! hypocrisy at its best. Each were involved with others as by that time their "marriage" had broken down. I dont believe they were living under the same roof either.
 
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Incorrect! LE had stated that there was evidence of extra-marital affairs for EACH MB and BB. Reporter tried to question BB on that, and he flipped them off by stating "that is a leading question to try to get me to talk"

IMO Well yes BB! your family trashed MB in the public about her so called indiscretions...and here you were doing the exact same thing!! hypocrisy at its best. Each were involved with others as by that time their "marriage" had broken down. I dont believe they were living under the same roof either.

RBBM

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  • #215
Incorrect! LE had stated that there was evidence of extra-marital affairs for EACH MB and BB. Reporter tried to question BB on that, and he flipped them off by stating "that is a leading question to try to get me to talk"

IMO Well yes BB! your family trashed MB in the public about her so called indiscretions...and here you were doing the exact same thing!! hypocrisy at its best. Each were involved with others as by that time their "marriage" had broken down. I dont believe they were living under the same roof either.
I do recall BB saying that as he quickly hops in the truck. I recall LE saying there were relationships external to the marriage. LE might have said both and I missed it and now it's one of those little pieces that seems to have disappeared. I have my suspicions but just have not found the source to back it up yet. I get what your saying...tarnished memories...:/ RIP Missy.



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Incorrect! LE had stated that there was evidence of extra-marital affairs for EACH MB and BB. Reporter tried to question BB on that, and he flipped them off by stating "that is a leading question to try to get me to talk"

IMO Well yes BB! your family trashed MB in the public about her so called indiscretions...and here you were doing the exact same thing!! hypocrisy at its best. Each were involved with others as by that time their "marriage" had broken down. I dont believe they were living under the same roof either.

I know I've read (don't know where) different addresses for the children and BB after the murder and wondered about, especially because I had thought until then BB and his MIL (who came to care for the girls) under the same roof would be somehow strange.
 
  • #217
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/1...tor-killed-had-exchanged-flirty-messages.html

Relatives of a fitness instructor killed at a church in North Texas said it was "devastating" to learn the woman and her husband had been engaging in intimate relationships with other people, in an interview published Tuesday.

Police investigating her death announced last week that Bevers and her husband, Brandon, had "an ongoing financial and marital struggle as well as intimate/personal relationship(s) external to the marriage.
 
  • #218
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/1...tor-killed-had-exchanged-flirty-messages.html

Relatives of a fitness instructor killed at a church in North Texas said it was "devastating" to learn the woman and her husband had been engaging in intimate relationships with other people, in an interview published Tuesday.

Police investigating her death announced last week that Bevers and her husband, Brandon, had "an ongoing financial and marital struggle as well as intimate/personal relationship(s) external to the marriage.

Thanks. My biggest takeaway from that news video is MPD saying they have several other POIs that are not on the initial target numbers list. The families statements in the article seem contradictory? http://people.com/crime/husband-of-fitness-instructor-says-he-has-faith-the-killer-will-be-caught/


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Incorrect! LE had stated that there was evidence of extra-marital affairs for EACH MB and BB. Reporter tried to question BB on that, and he flipped them off by stating "that is a leading question to try to get me to talk"

IMO Well yes BB! your family trashed MB in the public about her so called indiscretions...and here you were doing the exact same thing!! hypocrisy at its best. Each were involved with others as by that time their "marriage" had broken down. I dont believe they were living under the same roof either.
I will make the following observations.

Firstly, the only place that I have seen allegations that BB was having an affair have been on internet forums, like this one and others, or on Facebook groups or twitter by people far removed from the victim - as in they quite literally never knew her personally.

Secondly, Missy had to have had at least one good friend - it would be sad if she didn't. And yet, of all the people close to her, or even her best friend from back in Jacksboro or even her own mother we have never once heard anything from them publicly stating anything alleging "well, BB was doing it too" and naming names. Not once. What kinds of friends or family did Missy have if they are sitting on their hands letting Missy get trashed if they know full well that BB was/is carrying on his own affair?

Thirdly, even if they didn't speak out publicly to stand up for their friend/sister/daughter why would they not mention that BB was having his own affair to the police at the outset of the investigation? Surely, MPD talked to most if not all of the people closest to her. They would have known who they were at a minimum from her iPhone dumps. Clearly, it is something they would have asked her friends and her family about since the first person they look at as a suspect is the spouse. Yet, it doesn't seem to have come up at all. Anywhere. And, when MPD obtained a search warrant for his Facebook account they didn't cite any affair or relationship he was involved in but rather they cited Missy's involvement with KC. Why would that be the case, if they knew or should have known that BB was having an affair. After all BB had to have handed over both of his phones to MPD early on or surely we would have heard from MPD that BB was not cooperating. Further, I can't imagine that Missy wouldn't have saved any texts between her and BB or her and BB affair partner if Missy knew who it was or there still wouldn't have been some text messages or emails on her iphone that at least indicate that BB was involved with someone.

Lastly, the only way we wouldn't know that BB was having an affair with someone, if not have their name, is if MPD, all of Missy's friends, and all of Missy's own family were all in a big conspiracy to protect BB. And, for me, that doesn't make any sense.

While it is not rare, it is still very uncommon for it to be the situation where both spouses are having affairs simultaneously or even one spouse having an affair after the other spouse does. It really doesn't happen that way. That is not typical behavior at all. So while it is possible that this is what was going on with the Bevers there hasn't been any evidence of it that has been presented. That none of her friends have stepped forward to defend her, to me, speaks volumes.
 
  • #220
IMO this article is an example of poor and inaccurate reporting and misinterpretation of the search warrant.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/1...tor-killed-had-exchanged-flirty-messages.html

Relatives of a fitness instructor killed at a church in North Texas said it was "devastating" to learn the woman and her husband had been engaging in intimate relationships with other people, in an interview published Tuesday.

This appears to reference the People magazine interview that MT gave the previous day and if you read what MT actually says in the article she doesn't mention anything about both of them being in outside relationships. http://people.com/crime/husband-of-fitness-instructor-says-he-has-faith-the-killer-will-be-caught/

Police investigating her death announced last week that Bevers and her husband, Brandon, had "an ongoing financial and marital struggle as well as intimate/personal relationship(s) external to the marriage.

bbm
The bolded part was taken directly from the ATT warrant (page 8). https://www.scribd.com/doc/311723138/ATT-Warrant-Dated-April-25

The warrant doesn't specifically state that both MB and BB were having external relationships. As we have discussed at length earlier the warrant is saying there was at least one and possibly more external relationship(s) and but does not state that both were having a relationship outside the marriage.

IMO the reporter misinterpreted the warrant and stated they were both having relationships outside the marriage,
 
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