TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #37

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  • #301
If you do any research into the topic of infidelity you will find that it is extremely rare that condoms are ever used and it is for that reason that it is strongly recommended that testing for STIs are done when an affair is discovered. Because most of the time symptoms aren't apparent, in many cases 70% of the time and even less so in women, STIs can be passed between affair partners and then to their respective spouses and even back again. Often, if two people in an affair discover an STI they get treatment and never inform their spouses who may also be infected - there is no requirement under the law to inform the spouse of a person with an STI unless it is HIV/AIDS. Even things as dangerous as syphillis do not have mandatory spousal reporting requirements anymore. And HIPAA laws won't even allow a spouse to find out if their cheating spouse had ever been treated for an STI.

Since there is a real difference between what married women do when they are in affairs with respect to their spouse - far more often than not they cut back the frequency or the time between sex with their partners or cut it off entirely the risk of spreading STI in that direction is not as high. On the other hand when it comes to married men involved in an affair they almost always have no change in their sex life with their spouse at all - no matter what they say to their affair partner it is almost surely a lie - and thus the risk of STI spread is greater in that direction and the risk of re-infection especially if the married man's spouse shows no symptoms.

Many times no birth control is used at all, not even the pill. It is estimated that 10% of the married men out there at any given time are raising a kid that isn't biologically theirs and they don't know that at all. So, it is never wise to think that people involved in affairs think or even care about such consequences when they are carrying on their escapades. It is a fantasy world of rainbows and unicorns where even when the unicorns fart it smells like bubble gum and cotton candy.

It is rather chilling to know that people will endanger their partners lives like that but they do almost all of the time without giving it a second thought. So beware of projecting any thoughts that people involved in affairs are thinking about anything, let alone about how it could affect, their health, their spouse's health, etc. Considering that even in the best case, if the affair partners leave spouses and think they are really in love and will live happily ever after together, 95% end in disaster.

All of the risk, all of the damage, not just to their kids, not just to their spouse, but even to themselves is undertaken for - well, nothing but misery, pain, and the destruction of two households not to mention the effects to other relationships with family, in-laws, friends, co-workers, etc.

It is beyond me why people would affirmatively choose such paths (it is not an accident, or a mistake) when so many other options are available yet that is what they do.

To me, an affair is an addiction. And just like any other addiction (drugs, alcohol, food), the addict recognizes that there are risks but in his or her mind, the reward outweighs the risk.


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  • #302
But did police know about the imbedded messaging through Linked In between CW and MB?

I'm thinking police wrote another warrant specifically to Linked-in after the AT&T warrants.
Were they also trying to determine
the author of the creepy messages?

I am curious about any communication between WH and MB. It had to be a doosie or they wouldn't have included her # on the SW or maybe BB told police about WH as a possible suspect too. IDK

I don't think BB was a doormat either. After listening to his interviews, I believe he's smarter than most outsiders give him credit for. But, if he was part of the plot, I think it was designed to be as close to how how he's depicting it so he won't say the wrong thing or mess up as he does have a tendency to talk.

I wasn't aware of BB updating MB's
sound system in her truck. I don't recall hearing that in any of his interviews. But, a good sound system strikes me as more of a guy thing than a woman thing. Why would she have wanted her sound system updated? Or is it because he wanted it updated? Either way, it paid off eventually as the last I saw, he was driving her truck.  Sorry, that's mean spirited but I'd like a little time before someone, even my husband, started to drive my car around.


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The LinkedIN messages were recovered from her iPhone. That is why they went to LinkedIN itself to try to see if they could recover any messages on their servers that had already been deleted from the phone. That is also how they know she was in contact with CW. Personally, I believe that the "creepy" message was some message from CW that was on the screen - that is, LinkedIn App was still open - when she went to show that friend something else on the phone and Missy did CYA. Otherwise, LinkedIN would have information on their servers that one account had contact with another at a specific time/day even if they could not recover the message.

Should there ever be an arrest and this were to come to a trial we will no doubt learn of every text or e-mail conversation that MB had with others that was even slightly acrimonious as the defense will be dragging in quite a number of other people into it that would have a potential motive for murdering Missy.

The new stereo stuff was on Missy's FB page. She was thanking BB profusely for doing it. If you get into her likes you will find a number of music ones including Van Halen and other arena rock/hair/80's along with some country.
 
  • #303
I didn't say anything at all about you. A question was asked about BB, and wondering why he did ___, so I offered an explanation based on my life experience, and my own perspective on how people act in such a situation and how to treat others.
Well then, what's with the "before condemning, walk a mile in my shoes".



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  • #304
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  • #305
It's obvious there was marital problems between MB and BB and yes I think, jmo, that BB was unfaithful too. The only difference is that his life is not under the public microscope. In the beginning I thought that the indiscretion on MB's side played the main role in her murder but I'm now leaning on the another side even if the other party had no direct knowledge of it. I understand that LE said the love triangle didn't produce anything but I still think it played a role and someone took it one step further. Some ppl might think it was just coincidence that BB was out of town that fateful morning but that fishing trip played a part in the murder. It could have happened any day but it happened when he was away. That part can't be written off..... MOO
 
  • #306
Well then, what's with the "before condemning, walk a mile in my shoes".

That's an explanatory expression of how I personally think I should treat others, in word and deed, and the manner in which I should assess their actions. "On the internet" is no exception, because it's still real people. So that's what I try to do, to give those real people the courtesy of trying to look at things through their eyes if I possibly can, and see what it might tell me. In this case, it possibly answered the question being asked, because I have been through similar shell shock before.
 
  • #307
Personally, I believe that the "creepy" message was some message from CW that was on the screen - that is, LinkedIn App was still open - when she went to show that friend something else on the phone and Missy did CYA.

It's an interesting theory. But, I have an issue with it. The SW states that MB showed her friend the creepy message less than 3 days before the murder, and that the friend can't recall the name that was on the message. Since LE already knew about CW, wouldn't they have asked this friend if the name on the message was CW?

In the SW affidavit they state that they believe MB was in touch with "several such people" on LinkedIn, after discussing CW in the paragraph preceding.


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It's an interesting theory. But, I have an issue with it. The SW states that MB showed her friend the creepy message less than 3 days before the murder, and that the friend can't recall the name that was on the message. Since LE already knew about CW, wouldn't they have asked this friend if the name on the message was CW?

In the SW affidavit they state that they believe MB was in touch with "several such people" on LinkedIn, after discussing CW in the paragraph preceding.


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They didn't pull the contents of Missy's phone until Monday night or early Tuesday. This creepy message tip could have come in early. Though, even if it did I expect at some point they did follow up with this person after they discovered the CW stuff.

I wonder about whether or not they would ask the friend if it was CW directly. It might depend on just who this person is and the point in the investigation. For example, this could be the person that was the last person to see her alive (not on camera) except for her daughters. But even then, I would expect they would have come back around to them.

But it is also possible that it was something along the lines that I postulated and this person offered it up without trying to implicate MB with sexting with someone that wasn't her husband maybe to protect MB in a way by shading the truth. This was a friend after all. Maybe, when they were asked about it other people were around and they didn't want to start any rumors. Don't really know the circumstances of the first reporting of this. But even then I expect MPD would have come back around to this.

I have considered that it is possible this is a friend of Missy's that knew about CW and this was their way of bringing it up to the police while trying not to drag themselves into it . The kind of situation where others (among close friends or MB/BB family) would wonder why they were keeping Missy's secret, if you know what I mean.

When MPD said they never found anything about it I had to ask myself what does that mean? I can only think of a few things. The witness made it up - and I would really want to know who that witness was. LinkedIN does not keep logs of contact between accounts (even if they don't have access to the message contents if they have encryption of some sort) and I have a hard time believing that since the software running LinkedIN needs to know how to route the message from one mailbox/messenger store to the other. My theory. Or the witness trying to protect MB or themselves in some way.

So, all in all, I picked one that made sense to me in the absence of any other knowledge.

Of course if I knew it was a certain, specific, friend that reported this I would find it more than interesting considering where I have been going with this case.
 
  • #310
This may seem a little random but the suspect in this case bludgeoned his victim with a hammer 7 times. He claims they were having a relationship and she was breaking it off and it sent him into a rage. Not sure I'm believing his story.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Marie-Naegle-36-Torrance-18-Dec-2016-*Arrest*

Just makes me revisit the idea that this was a targeted personal attack on MB.
I was reading that the other day. If he hadn't gone and buried her in his yard police probably would have been all over her husband like a dog with a bone.
 
  • #311
When MPD said they never found anything about it I had to ask myself what does that mean?

You overlooked one very obvious possibility on the nature and outcome of that message, and it's one I prefer by a lot.

I thought they meant that there was not enough to work with ...to be specific, that they received a tip of MB getting some kind of weird message, but the tipster only really recalled MB showing some weird message but didn't make any actual notes so only recalled the generality and didn't recall the name or exact message, and when they went to chase it they found no data trail. So it was info that they had no way to pursue further.
 
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They didn't pull the contents of Missy's phone until Monday night or early Tuesday. This creepy message tip could have come in early. Though, even if it did I expect at some point they did follow up with this person after they discovered the CW stuff.

I wonder about whether or not they would ask the friend if it was CW directly. It might depend on just who this person is and the point in the investigation. For example, this could be the person that was the last person to see her alive (not on camera) except for her daughters. But even then, I would expect they would have come back around to them.

But it is also possible that it was something along the lines that I postulated and this person offered it up without trying to implicate MB with sexting with someone that wasn't her husband maybe to protect MB in a way by shading the truth. This was a friend after all. Maybe, when they were asked about it other people were around and they didn't want to start any rumors. Don't really know the circumstances of the first reporting of this. But even then I expect MPD would have come back around to this.

I have considered that it is possible this is a friend of Missy's that knew about CW and this was their way of bringing it up to the police while trying not to drag themselves into it . The kind of situation where others (among close friends or MB/BB family) would wonder why they were keeping Missy's secret, if you know what I mean.

When MPD said they never found anything about it I had to ask myself what does that mean? I can only think of a few things. The witness made it up - and I would really want to know who that witness was. LinkedIN does not keep logs of contact between accounts (even if they don't have access to the message contents if they have encryption of some sort) and I have a hard time believing that since the software running LinkedIN needs to know how to route the message from one mailbox/messenger store to the other. My theory. Or the witness trying to protect MB or themselves in some way.

So, all in all, I picked one that made sense to me in the absence of any other knowledge.

Of course if I knew it was a certain, specific, friend that reported this I would find it more than interesting considering where I have been going with this case.
So, are you saying the friend of MB' s who is also the wife of your perp, told police she had seen the creepy message but couldn't recall who sent it? I find it strange that this friend could not "recall" who sent it if it was strange and creepy.

Is your perp' s wife by chance in the video at the vigil held by the CGers right after MB's death?


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  • #313
When will this get solved? Three girls without their mom for Christmas. So unfair to them and
especially to MB. Tragic. It's hard enough to lose a parent due to an illness, heart attack, etc.,
but to murder??? My love and prayers to Missy's girls.
 
  • #314
So you are familiar w those posts. The app provides a scripture daily and he could choose to share it on FB? If I have that correct then he wasn't choosing specific verses on his own but just sharing the one provided through the app.

They have a daily verse, or you can highlight and share any veyou want. I remember looking when I saw them on his FB and they weren't the daily verse.
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  • #315
So you are familiar w those posts. The app provides a scripture daily and he could choose to share it on FB? If I have that correct then he wasn't choosing specific verses on his own but just sharing the one provided through the app.

They have a daily verse, or you can highlight and share any veyou want. I remember looking when I saw them on his FB and they weren't the daily verse.
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I'm sorry...I don't quite "get it".
 
  • #316
So, are you saying the friend of MB' s who is also the wife of your perp, told police she had seen the creepy message but couldn't recall who sent it? I find it strange that this friend could not "recall" who sent it if it was strange and creepy.

Is your perp' s wife by chance in the video at the vigil held by the CGers right after MB's death?


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Not saying that at all but I would be interested if it were so. I would have to look at the video. Never looked at it in full. Just the part where BB spoke.
 
  • #317
The Bible app has the entire bible and readings płans, etc. and also a "verse of the day feature." The whole purpose of my original post was the verses on BB's FB from that app weren't posted without him doing it or someone else on his account. You have to choose to share a post via whichever social media site you choose. JMO You can download the app and see, it's free..
 
  • #318
Not saying that at all but I would be interested if it were so. I would have to look at the video. Never looked at it in full. Just the part where BB spoke.
Well, the woman I'm speaking of is front and center facing BB while he is thanking everyone. She appears to be a fellow CG trainer and not one of the campers. I saw her twice in the video: hugging BB and then again looking up at him while he is tearfully giving his thanks. She also appeared in a pic from the race they held for Missy. It wasn't a long video.

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You overlooked one very obvious possibility on the nature and outcome of that message, and it's one I prefer by a lot.

I thought they meant that there was not enough to work with ...to be specific, that they received a tip of MB getting some kind of weird message, but the tipster only really recalled MB showing some weird message but didn't make any actual notes so only recalled the generality and didn't recall the name or exact message, and when they went to chase it they found no data trail. So it was info that they had no way to pursue further.
Well that is just it. There should have been some data trail. In order to send a message in LinkedIN you have to have an account and the software running linked in needs to route that message from your message store to the receivers message store. They have to track that, log it somewhere. There isn't magic to the process so MPD should have been able to obtain a list of all the accounts that sent messages to Missy's account. It can't be impossible to find. The friend said that Missy didn't recognize the name of the who the person was that sent it so they could eliminate people that she had back and forth conversations. It would almost seem, based on Missy not recognizing it that it was a one-off message and that should be apparent in the LinkedIN server side data and isolating the sender wouldn't be hard.



That is the trouble I have with that explanation.
 
  • #320
Well, the woman I'm speaking of is front and center facing BB while he is thanking everyone. She appears to be a fellow CG trainer and not one of the campers. I saw her twice in the video: hugging BB and then again looking up at him while he is tearfully giving his thanks. She also appeared in a pic from the race they held for Missy. It wasn't a long video.

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You think this person is involved ?


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