TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #39

[ocgrad]

I don't think we know all of the security cameras on the property (or do we?) and which ones were working and recording. I would guess that some of the SP footage we haven't seen is from different cameras in the building we don't know about.

For example - we have seen footage of SP from the two cams on the SW side of the building but have not seen any footage from the doors on the other side of the main hallway. One would assume they had the same 2 camera/2 direction set up at the other end. There might be cams on at the other exterior doors as well - and there is space near those other doors to park a car. There may have been one exterior camera at the back of the building that was working and barely caught the edge of the car parked near the kitchen door.

I don't think the car was located in the parking lot. I think it was pulled up close to the building, mostly hidden from the driveway between the kitchen door and the back of the building.

It's really frustrating knowing that the "range" that triggers the cameras to turn on is so much smaller than the visual range the camera captures. If we assume both sides of the main hallway were set up the same, there is a giant "blind spot" in the middle where there could be movement but the cameras would not engage. It's even a larger blind spot if the foyer cameras (from which we have not seen any footage) were trained on the "front" door of the building.

At one point we had a floorplan that estimated camera locations and ranges that i thought was very helpful - but I think the entire back-half of the building was mostly unmarked on the diagram.

Has someone determined the rectangular object in the SP left hand?

Is it possible it's a camera and the SP removed and/or blocked cameras?

 

[Elle*Bee]

Adding to that, he was actually out of work for a period of time for some sort of health reasons. I believe , if memory serves me correctly that he had some sort of a procedure just a few days before going on his bucket list trip.

I believe there were two different health events involving BB. IIRC he had issues with his back several months prior to MB's murder.

He had a procedure, largely speculated to be a colonoscopy, in the day or two prior to his fishing trip. (Uncomfortable, requires anesthesia, sure. I had one a year ago and was fine the next day.). There was a good deal of discussion on this in Thread 12, around page 12. (I don't know how to link.)

 

[PatTheRat]

Has someone determined the rectangular object in the SP left hand?

Is it possible it's a camera and the SP removed and/or blocked cameras?

I had thought it might be a cellphone jammer/scrambler so that she would have been unable to call 9-1-1. Some others have hypothesized it was a box that contained a tripod for a cellphone for taking a video of the murder.

 

[ocgrad]

I believe there were two different health events involving BB. IIRC he had issues with his back several months prior to MB's murder.

He had a procedure, largely speculated to be a colonoscopy, in the day or two prior to his fishing trip. (Uncomfortable, requires anesthesia, sure. I had one a year ago and was fine the next day.). There was a good deal of discussion on this in Thread 12, around page 12. (I don't know how to link.)

In 2011 he posted about having TMJ, had been treated for a long time and was considering arthoplasty.

 

[kmoon]

Is anyone leaning towards CW still? I never hear that anymore? Can I ask that? Just wonder since there's not much talk maybe they are keeping that quiet and watching him? No clue- just going through the list. I don't see motive- I do see MANY other things that fit.


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[Spartygirl]

Are you referencing Thrive?


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No..it's not thrive..it is clothing

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Has someone determined the rectangular object in the SP left hand?

Is it possible it's a camera and the SP removed and/or blocked cameras?

:dunno: but could be I think! - However, I don't know why the perp would this thing carry around for some time ...?

 

[moslym3]

Is it possible it's a camera and the SP removed and/or blocked cameras?

I think that's possible, sure. I remember some others here thinking the object resembled a camera at one point.

Only a few days ago a few people mentioned that when they viewed the first SP video released (before timestamps were removed and the footage was extended) they remember one of the shots going dark, as if someone had disabled or covered the camera.

I can't find that original video, and I personally didn't catch that when i saw it the first time, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

If SP is a prowler, burglar, joyriding vandal guy like i think he is, messing around with random cameras is exactly what he would do. Someone targeting MB would presumably disable the SW door cameras and others while on his stroll if they were concerned about potentially leaving too much video evidence in case the struggle messed with his disguise and revealed his identity.

 

[roadrunnermt]

CW does live in the area. I'm assuming by BB telling the affair info on CW and by LE showing up at his door that it is a reasonable conclusion that CW did not come forward on his own but you are right it is not a fact.

It doesn't sound like you have done much research on CW, respectfully. Not trying to be argumentive but carry out thought provoking debate. Of course, we are all entitled to our opinion and thoughts but CW is not just an "average Joe". CW is a vice president of a Dallas based company and CW is also a professional MMA fighter. Would he necessarily lose his family, job, and career if MB went public with info? No not necessarily. None of us know. But could that have been a potential motive to kill MB? Could CW had been afraid of those things affecting or destroying his life? Maybe, maybe not but in some people that alone could cause fear enough to do wild things. What if CW was into illegal things such as steroids like many athletic performing career guys are and MB was aware of this? What if they had a falling out and MB threatened to squeal?

Did I make a stronger case for BB? Maybe. I can totally see motive from both of them. Affairs never end well and I believe any and all parties to an affair would have motive and should be thoroughly checked out.

I am not saying CW is responsible because I don't know. I am in the mixed and confused camp but personally in my opinion of the little public knowledge we have, CW matches more than any of the other potential POIs based on body size, prior broken foot injury, current skills with his martial arts stuff, and past skills and military history.

CW does not live in the area. I don't think it has ever been said whether or not CW reached out to LE. LE did seek SW information without CW's knowledge.

I do not agree that CW would lose his job or career over an affair, in fact, I think that's kind of silly since he is just some average Joe and not a minister, politician or public figure, and people have affairs all the time. One of the reasons married people with kids have affairs with other married people with kids is so that they have an equal interest in keeping it secret, and each party has just as much to lose.

Without intending to, I think you make a stronger case for BB being part of a plot to eliminate MB and making it look like CW did it, with BB pointing him out to LE.

I do not see CW having a motive. JMO

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[Razz]

Any number of ways. Generally, the spouse is the last to know and often learns others knew or suspected but said nothing.

MB could have told someone.
BB could have discovered and told someone.
Someone could have seen MB with someone not BB.
Depending on exactly how and where MB and CW first encountered each other - I suspect in person - there may have been others around that would know about it.
Perhaps MB had a friend that also was running around and that friend told people.

So all of that would feed through some circles or to individuals.

Not to mention people who knew about the previous episode might have observed the same behaviors creeping out again so they could figure it out.

There are many ways.

Why do feel CW was a breaking point for your SP?

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[PatTheRat]

No..it's not thrive..it is clothing

I know she did Vault Denim before she started Thrive, so clothing was an area she had experience in.

 

[Jethro4WS]

I don't think we know all of the security cameras on the property (or do we?) and which ones were working and recording. I would guess that some of the SP footage we haven't seen is from different cameras in the building we don't know about.

For example - we have seen footage of SP from the two cams on the SW side of the building but have not seen any footage from the doors on the other side of the main hallway. One would assume they had the same 2 camera/2 direction set up at the other end. There might be cams on at the other exterior doors as well - and there is space near those other doors to park a car. There may have been one exterior camera at the back of the building that was working and barely caught the edge of the car parked near the kitchen door.

I don't think the car was located in the parking lot. I think it was pulled up close to the building, mostly hidden from the driveway between the kitchen door and the back of the building.

It's really frustrating knowing that the "range" that triggers the cameras to turn on is so much smaller than the visual range the camera captures. If we assume both sides of the main hallway were set up the same, there is a giant "blind spot" in the middle where there could be movement but the cameras would not engage. It's even a larger blind spot if the foyer cameras (from which we have not seen any footage) were trained on the "front" door of the building.

At one point we had a floorplan that estimated camera locations and ranges that i thought was very helpful - but I think the entire back-half of the building was mostly unmarked on the diagram.

My understanding is that the external cameras were not working that night. Yes there are blindspots in the halls. As much as 15 feet of blindspot in the north and south halls in my opinion and as much as 35 feet in the middle of the east hall. The west hall, if there were a camera aimed toward the main entry (aimed west), there would be few blind spots - two small triangles on either side of that camera on the sanctuary wall side of the hall. However, if there is no camera there and only an external one then there would be a blind spot of about 35 feet in the middle of that hall as well.

Because the parking lot in the rear is so far below the building (there are a decent number of steps down from the doors in the back) it is not possible to see the parking lot at all from any camera looking east inside the building. And a camera at the NW corner looking south toward where Missy entered would likely see nothing either. At both the SW and NW entries there is a roof covering that extends 21 feet beyond the outer door (28 from the inner). And then at the SW there is an additional covering of 40 feet for the car port as well. So it makes it dark, not to mention just how far it is from the camera as it is over 200 feet if looking toward the SW and 180 looking to the NW (no car port there but a sidewalk and then the road that goes around). Then there is the shrubbery that is there on the island where the outer column support for the car port are located. All of that makes seeing anything in the SW extremely unlikely.

 

[Jethro4WS]

Who made the statement ("specific and well worded")?

That would be me who said that.

 

[roadrunnermt]

It says in below article, Missy's truck was seen driving into the church parking lot. Camera in front? It also says Missy is seen walking into the building.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/129779738-story

If it were a camera in the church I can see only two possibilities.

The camera in the SW corner that is looking to the North. Or a camera in the middle of the West hall looking toward the large glass main entry. No other cameras in the church would be able to see the parking lots.

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[Razz]

That would be me who said that.

Are sure?! That was "wannabedetective" response to me
Razz regarding your (Jethro) post. Wannabe thought your response was well worded and? And that it was self explanatory and I should have known that. I didn't agree of course.



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[Jethro4WS]

It says in below article, Missy's truck was seen driving into the church parking lot. Camera in front? It also says Missy is seen walking into the building.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/129779738-story



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I have been assuming that they were able to determine when Missy's truck arrived from the SWFA cameras. Otherwise SP would have to have been moving within the range of a camera that could also have a view of Missy's truck going by at the time it was going by which would have been very brief. Missy's truck couldn't trip the motion cameras on its own because it would be out of range of the motion detection capability of those cameras.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

BB who pointed to the affair with CW which in the affidavit LE confirmed and also BB pointed to an affair with KC but nothing confirmed that we see in an affidavit. However the things we saw <modsnip> makes me suspicious that it is true, but we don't really know for sure. Then the next question is how BB knew and when. How do you describe that you have reason to believe your wife was having multiple affairs? Are you cool with it or upset? And did he spy on her, put an app on her phone, look at it when she slept, hire a PI to follow her, or did she confess it? Did they have an open marriage? Maybe that was why he kept telling her to "Be prepared". In any case I think how he appeared about the affairs and how he told them he knew and what was going on with that gave them alot of insight into BB.

In the early days after the killing I remember vague it was said LE would look back on the time between January and April. At that time I was wondering about the precise start "January" and didn't know why not maybe December 2015 or some other months. Who did cause the reason to look back since January?

 

[Jethro4WS]

In the early days after the killing I remember vague it was said LE would look back on the time between January and April. At that time I was wondering about the precise start "January" and didn't know why not maybe December 2015 or some other months. Who did cause the reason to look back since January?

Excellent question. This is, but another one that I would love to know the answer to. It is possible that there had to be some reasonable time limit considering that the warrant was looking at so many different people and even more phone numbers (some has 2 phones) which would already look like a fishing expedition to some judges. It seems more likely that it was determined based on what they had learned from the phone data extractions for MB (warrant), BB (no warrant), and CW (no warrant) by then or from an interview with one or more people.

 

[Peachykeen]

Thank you lol but I respectfully disagree! :blushing:

I was paying you a well deserved compliment ... lol I wanna be you when i grow up lol :loveyou:

 

[Peachykeen]

I wonder if SWFA was advised to stop responding directly to the public about a video that is evidence, potentially...

Maybe.. they did respond to the Brainscratch guy John Lordan. They basically only confirmed they are NOT working with MPD. They only released it to bring more attention to the case. [video=youtube;CSfodLstJLA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfodLstJLA[/video]