TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, 18 Apr 2016 #40

[WannaBDetective]

If you are referring to my comment about who was with BB on the fishing trip, I was not insinuating he (or they) had anything to do with the murder. I'm sure his buddy could collaborate his whereabouts and drive him back to be with his kids. I would HOPE someone would be with him. I can't imagine being in that state of mind and driving.

That being said... No one is off the radar for me just yet. The main reason is we only know 95% of the sifted facts.

I'm thinking 20%.

 

[Oregonmama]

But why spend so much money for a one time deal? If this were my husband or wife, I'd be really ticked at this particular expenditure. And certainly someone somewhere recalls selling these particular
items to someone. I can't even imagine the conversation that would have transpired over this acquisition with the seller or with a spouse. This is an incredibly strange suspect you have in mind.
If what you believe is true, I think this person enjoyed the planning as much as the murder. What will be his next expedition? What can he plan next that would top this?

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The sp could have had the gloves and some of the other stuff on hand

 

[nearsouth]

The sp could have had the gloves and some of the other stuff on hand

I think the gear was available also - at least most of it. No purchases required.

Does anyone else think someone is being framed with the outfit? Or could it be mixed with other things (outfit, timing, tools etc) to completely throw off investigation?

 

[Amateurpi1]

I googled up gloves such as the ones in previous posts and this is one store's description (Weapons Universe)

"SAP gloves are a self defense weapon which helps to improve your punching power and also protects your wrist and forearm. Almost similar to the effectiveness of brass knuckles, these weighted knuckle gloves reinforce your fist with steel shot inside the knuckle area. They are an ordinary looking glove that you can wear casually in plain sight without causing suspicion, but secretly have eight ounces of steel shot sewn into the top of the hand and knuckles. Only at Weapons Universe can you find such a big selection, with a variety of different sizes and styles, including standard, fingerless, tactical, and kevlar sap gloves, all with guaranteed lowest prices, not to mention we are one of the few companies that offer a medium size sap glove, which is hard to find."

Thanks for the info!
Somewhat OT, CW is still on my POI list.

 

[Mainely16]

Wow...thanks for bringing these (pics from the candle lighting) back to the forefront. I had forgotten about them. The first time I looked at them, I was sitting with my friend who is a grief counselor in a hospice setting. She made a couple of observations about those in mourning. I also have a few quotations from family members I'd like to bring back for review, but I'm always hesitant to share "controversial" thoughts. I don't want to appear victim blaming, but IMO looking at the comments and reactions of those closest to the actual victim is never a wasted effort.

 

[rodee34]

I'm thinking 20%.

Yes, you're right.. LOL!

Note to self: Work on one thing at a time. :blushing:

 

[rodee34]

If you are referring to my comment about who was with BB on the fishing trip, I was not insinuating he (or they) had anything to do with the murder. I'm sure his buddy could collaborate his whereabouts and drive him back to be with his kids. I would HOPE someone would be with him. I can't imagine being in that state of mind and driving.

That being said... No one is off the radar for me just yet. The main reason is we only know 20% of the sifted facts.

Couldn't edit so... next best thing.

 

[kmoon]

Thanks for the info!
Somewhat OT, CW is still on my POI list.

Exactly. this.


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[Jethro4WS]

But why spend so much money for a one time deal? If this were my husband or wife, I'd be really ticked at this particular expenditure. And certainly someone somewhere recalls selling these particular
items to someone. I can't even imagine the conversation that would have transpired over this acquisition with the seller or with a spouse. This is an incredibly strange suspect you have in mind.
If what you believe is true, I think this person enjoyed the planning as much as the murder. What will be his next expedition? What can he plan next that would top this?

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I certainly believe that SP enjoyed the planning more than executing the plan. It is the planning, any planning, that fulfills them. They hold that as one of their strengths. It is likely their most visible contribution in any endeavor they participate in. They likely attribute all of their successes to their planning and thus plan everything. Even when they try to appear spontaneous they have meticulously planned it. This is the kind of individual MPD should be looking at.

As for spending the money for a one time deal you are looking for someone that always gets the right tools to do the job. They don't screw around with making do with what they have. Do it right or don't do it at all. If it is something they don't believe they have the skills to do they will hire someone with those skills. Money was no object.

I wouldn't presuppose that SP's spouse would ever be aware of the purchases unless they were in on it. I strongly suspect SP controls the finances in their household. I also wouldn't presuppose that any seller would remember these purchases either. It is not as if SP went to a single seller to buy all of these things as I suspect these purchases would have been made across several sellers and locations. SP would be highly inconspicuous in all of this. They wouldn't even be memorable in any way. That is how SP glides through life, nondescript and very often under-estimated. Which is how SP prefers to be seen and which SP uses to their advantage in many facets of their day to day life. This is the kind of individual MPD should be looking at.

You might find that strange. I believe those to be attributes of the person that killed Missy. I could very well be wrong.

 

[RagingClue]

http://www.waxahachietx.com/photogallery/TX/20160419/PHOTOGALLERY/419009996/PH/1

OT, but the lady in this photo singing at Missy's vigil looks a lot like the funny woman who rose to fame a month later as the Chewbacca Mask Mom. Does anyone here know if it's the same lady? The Chewbacca Mask Mom is from the Dallas area, so could be.

Great link. Thank you. Wow I've never seen these photos. Missy's daughters broke my heart.
In the moderators suggested opinion starter: "I find it strange that" BB eyes are dry as drought
and I find it stranger that his eyelids aren't even swollen yet other family members eyes are are very swollen.

 

[WannaBDetective]

The more we discover, the more it seems to look like this has a much longer time line than we’ve been looking at. I’m not sure if SWs are like chits, and you can only reasonably expect to get X number “okayed” before they start questioning; saying you’re asking for too many. If nothing current is connecting (what LE seems to be telling us) the event seems to have been a long time brewing, we may have to go back. Like a year or two.

And this is going to show my bias toward the theory I’ve held from the beginning, that this has a high chance of being related to an extra-marital relationship (EMR). The rage, the areas targeted, the length of time the indignation is held, etc. We know from KS that a year and a half ago there was a known EMR. And we know that there were 2-3 current ones (which LE has seemed to indicate have been cleared).

What about the person KS was talking about. And what about the year+ in between? Was there someone else there (clandestine for obvious reasons)? Someone she moved on from? Someone’s spouse? IMO, this isn’t a “she took some of my business, or my clients, she slighted me, she caused aphysical or psychological injury. “ This has to be deep to be held that long and obsessed over. IMO.

The LONG planning theory also lends itself to one SP, but them consumed over the planning of it.

But first we need to assess POI’s in the longer time period, that we may have missed because we’re looking at the previous days and weeks, instead of months (maybe even a year+).

Other thoughts. Steel knuckles are much more of a “guy” thing to use. Swings the gender back to male for me if true.

To tag onto Jethro’s hypothesis that this equip is very expensive. (I remember his theory that SP is financially comfortable). Add to that the slightly less common size-5’2 to 5’7. They either looked for a while or had it already. $3K seems a little high but someone buried or burned or otherwise dispensed of a couple grand. Razz is right. This meant a lot to them. And the random/vandal/burglar theory gets tossed out if NIN is right.

 

[Inthedetails]

Great link. Thank you. Wow I've never seen these photos. Missy's daughters broke my heart.
In the moderators suggested opinion starter: "I find it strange that" BB eyes are dry as drought
and I find it stranger that his eyelids aren't even swollen yet other family members eyes are are very swollen.

Keep in mind that it's also been said (by BB) that the SWAT outfit looked pieced together with regular ol' items such as sweat pants. This might not be that expensive of an outfit.

I do agree, however, that the perp enjoyed the planning and likely feels quite smug at his/her/their success.

jmo

 

[Jethro4WS]

I think the gear was available also - at least most of it. No purchases required.

Does anyone else think someone is being framed with the outfit? Or could it be mixed with other things (outfit, timing, tools etc) to completely throw off investigation?

Anything is apparently possible with this case. I would think that if the intent was to frame someone SP would have to be very confident that the person being framed would be easily or at least readily discoverable by MPD. That has not happened, apparently. Though that does not mean that SP is not perturbed that MPD didn't go after a specific individual if their intent had been to frame someone. That would however, in my mind, make the murder of Missy to be a means to an end rather than an end in and of itself. It would make this case that much harder to solve than it already seems to be.

 

[zigster58]

But why spend so much money for a one time deal? If this were my husband or wife, I'd be really ticked at this particular expenditure. And certainly someone somewhere recalls selling these particular
items to someone. I can't even imagine the conversation that would have transpired over this acquisition with the seller or with a spouse. This is an incredibly strange suspect you have in mind.
If what you believe is true, I think this person enjoyed the planning as much as the murder. What will be his next expedition? What can he plan next that would top this?

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I was reading online the different uses for these gloves. Was surprised to see that some buy these that ride motorcycles.


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[nearsouth]

Anything is apparently possible with this case. I would think that if the intent was to frame someone SP would have to be very confident that the person being framed would be easily or at least readily discoverable by MPD. That has not happened, apparently. Though that does not mean that SP is not perturbed that MPD didn't go after a specific individual if their intent had been to frame someone. That would however, in my mind, make the murder of Missy to be a means to an end rather than an end in and of itself. It would make this case that much harder to solve than it already seems to be.

Well, one of my theories (and I have a list of them as I'm sure a lot of folks do at this point LOL) that has risen toward the top involves at least 2 people and I've often thought that it could be a possible frame job as a side effect of the primary goal of the murder.

This particular theory didn't really come together until this fall, and the Altima video made me really wonder more about it... It might be a ton of coincidence, but these are some properties of the theory:

• SP is female and the extra padding of the suit helps conceal that obviously (was not purchased and likely most of it cleaned/returned to where it was taken from)
• Communcation is using two way radio headsets
• This is a situation that has been brewing for a long time (10+ months), but I think the planning was more recent
• Altima and Wrecker/Tow truck involved serving as both lookout and fallback excuse (bad weather - tow truck called and abort mission) in case either are stopped prior to murder

Yeah, probably a stretch - but it seems viable to me. IF true I wonder if these people knew the extent of SWFA camera coverage.

I wish I had some sample video of my POI doing normal things (full body and moving around), but I don't. It would help me rule things out.


Speaking of... It would be super interesting to be a local and know more of the people within one or maybe two degrees of separation of MB and BB. You would get a general feeling about certain individuals, but I suppose it could muddy the waters even more.

 

[Razz]

I certainly believe that SP enjoyed the planning more than executing the plan. It is the planning, any planning, that fulfills them. They hold that as one of their strengths. It is likely their most visible contribution in any endeavor they participate in. They likely attribute all of their successes to their planning and thus plan everything. Even when they try to appear spontaneous they have meticulously planned it. This is the kind of individual MPD should be looking at.

As for spending the money for a one time deal you are looking for someone that always gets the right tools to do the job. They don't screw around with making do with what they have. Do it right or don't do it at all. If it is something they don't believe they have the skills to do they will hire someone with those skills. Money was no object.

I wouldn't presuppose that SP's spouse would ever be aware of the purchases unless they were in on it. I strongly suspect SP controls the finances in their household. I also wouldn't presuppose that any seller would remember these purchases either. It is not as if SP went to a single seller to buy all of these things as I suspect these purchases would have been made across several sellers and locations. SP would be highly inconspicuous in all of this. They wouldn't even be memorable in any way. That is how SP glides through life, nondescript and very often under-estimated. Which is how SP prefers to be seen and which SP uses to their advantage in many facets of their day to day life. This is the kind of individual MPD should be looking at.

You might find that strange. I believe those to be attributes of the person that killed Missy. I could very well be wrong.

Boy Jethro, you've got this guy down to a tee. Hope you don't mind if I add some thoughts on your guy.

You believe this guy to be highly intelligent. I wonder if there isn't a screw loose there. You know what they say about beautiful minds.

You've also identified this fellow as being a meticulous planner. I wonder if his need to control things overwhelms him at those downtime moments. So much so that he needs to get relief from it.

It doesn't sound like he likes women much. Except for the one he owns.
And maybe he beats her around with those gloves to keep her in line when she questions some of the stuff he does.

His need to kill someone whose moral code doesn't match his, is frightening. It's frightening because another woman will come along whose moral code just isn't up to par. He needs to kill her for his sake and his kids sake. After all, she deserves it!!

I bet you're right. He's quiet and unassuming. I'm not sure he cares what the police know as he must feel they can't possibly be as smart as he is.

But underneath his quiet demeanor burns a furnace so hot he only knows one way to reduce the pressure. He'll kill again. Killing MB for the reasons you think will only be his beginning.




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[Jethro4WS]

Well, one of my theories (and I have a list of them as I'm sure a lot of folks do at this point LOL) that has risen toward the top involves at least 2 people and I've often thought that it could be a possible frame job as a side effect of the primary goal of the murder.

This particular theory didn't really come together until this fall, and the Altima video made me really wonder more about it... It might be a ton of coincidence, but these are some properties of the theory:

• SP is female and the extra padding of the suit helps conceal that obviously (was not purchased and likely most of it cleaned/returned to where it was taken from)
• Communcation is using two way radio headsets
• This is a situation that has been brewing for a long time (10+ months), but I think the planning was more recent
• Altima and Wrecker/Tow truck involved serving as both lookout and fallback excuse (bad weather - tow truck called and abort mission) in case either are stopped prior to murder

Yeah, probably a stretch - but it seems viable to me. IF true I wonder if these people knew the extent of SWFA camera coverage.

I wish I had some sample video of my POI doing normal things (full body and moving around), but I don't. It would help me rule things out.


Speaking of... It would be super interesting to be a local and know more of the people within one or maybe two degrees of separation of MB and BB. You would get a general feeling about certain individuals, but I suppose it could muddy the waters even more.

BBM.

It might even be extremely dangerous.

 

[GA_Peach]

Generally speaking, if a family member was indirectly involved, they would have to find the link first, so that the individual would hopefully roll on the family member.

We had the Sievers case here in Florida. Husband allegedly hires best friend from out of state to kill his wife. Killer(s) were tipped in by out of state witness. Best friend sings like a domestic canary for plea deal. Husband is singing unhappy tunes behind bars now and waiting for trial.

We had the same silence with PD and press. GJ was convening. Not saying this is happening here. It would just be the possible sequence of events unfolding.

-Nin

BBM

If I weren't so sick right now, I would be jumping up and down. This is what I have been saying from the beginning. If the family is involved, they have to find the link before there will be any movement in this case. Based on what we have heard (maybe I should more accurately say - Based on my interpretation of what LE has said), I see many indicators that LE is indeed looking for that link. I draw that conclusion based not only on what LE has said but also on what they have not said ("Be on the lookout", "we need the public's help to...." and so on).

I also find it interesting how LE is willing to go to bat and issue swift statements backing some POIs but not others.

I really don't have a leading theory at the moment because there are so many compelling theories (and no exculpatory evidence to eliminate anyone), but I cannot take the family off the table. They have dropped on my list because I think that the longer that this case drags on the less likely that it is someone that LE initially interviewed. It seems that LE would have uncovered an incriminating piece of evidence by now. But then I go back to Dan Markel.... close to 3 years.

FromGermany, thank you so much for linking to the photos from the memorial service. I had not previously seen those. How gut-wrenching and heartbreaking. I hope that everyone soon receives peace and justice.

 

[nearsouth]

BBM.

It might even be extremely dangerous.

Agreed big time!

Didn't MPD come out and say something about this at some point. I can't even paraphrase really, but something along the lines of 'we don't believe to be a threat to community at this time...', or am I dreaming that?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Agreed big time!

Didn't MPD come out and say something about this at some point. I can't even paraphrase really, but something along the lines of 'we don't believe to be a threat to community at this time...', or am I dreaming that?

There are definitely others who would know for sure but maybe I had that same dream!