TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers, 45, killed in church/suspect in SWAT gear, Midlothian, 18 Apr 2016 #47

[cady]

OK. Finally. Shot in the head and chest. Two shots. Got it.

HUH? We only know that she was shot. We can be sure that she was shot once, in the head but as to multiple shots, that is not known. It is only in the realm of possibility. JMO

 

[SteveS]

Are you certain that you had to be one of the 1861 friends on MB's FB to read MB's page? In thread#1 of this case, multiple posters were able to read and post details from MB's FB. She was running a Camp Gladiator for profit business not just some personal chit chat. Even Heavy.com quotes their unfettered access to MB's page:
Terri ‘Missy’ Bevers: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

And it was not necessary to follow MB on FB to know her schedule of early classes at the CCOC. Lots of people could have provided that info, and anyone could tail her physically. IMO

I don't dispute any of your details, but they don't alter what I was pointing out. Which is, it was not "common knowledge" or even "knowledge that would have been obvious to anyone who was looking at robbing CCOC" that MB and her group were going to be there that morning.

If a burglar, they probably never had heard the name MB or of the existence of those CG classes, prior to 4:15 that morning. It was just a place to rob. Even had they done some "homework" on the church, the details on MB's FB page weren't church activities and weren't obvious to the broad public. So we don't have reason to think they would have somehow stumbled across that FB page, even if they hoped to know everything to be known about the site.

And logically, we have even more reason to assume a burglar wanting to rob CCOC wouldn't have seen MB's ads, and known she would be there, because if they had, they would have picked another place to rob or another day.

 

[No it's not]

Also, regarding the hammer in the final "hammering scene" it looks like a claw hammer now:


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Either SP brought 2 hammers (I wrote hamsters first....), or they picked up an additional hammer, or again camera playing tricks on us and it is the same claw hammer and not rock hammer altogether. Just wanted to mention it.

ALL IMO

-Nin

 

[Laughing]

I always thought they would use a glass cutter. ;--)

So, do you think SP knew which tools to bring to break into the church?

-Nin

Not much experience with a glass cutter, either, but would likely be quieter and avoid the shattered glass that you need to cross to access that building.

I really don't know. If SP had been in the church enough -- SP knew where to find the tools.

I'm on old church lady. Let me near your church kitchen, I'll find you any kitchen tool you want. But, there is no need to lock up most kitchen tools.

Our church has a preschool, and the custodial closets have either key locks or slide bolts at the top where kids can't reach. I know where tools are, including some oddities like specialty wrenches & mallets for the pipe organ.

(Doubt you'd find pipe organ tools at Creekside, no matter how hard you looked.)

Still looks to me like SP is LARPing some scenario in their own mind. Did SP bring tools, or plan to "take tool" within the game field?

Why did SP spend so much time in the kitchen? Fixing a snack, or pocketing tools from the church ladies' tool drawer?

We may never know.

Prayers & good Karma for BB this Father's Day!

 

[SteveS]

My opinion only, but I see a dispenser-like carton just like a plastic bag carton, which one rips open in a triangular way. Look at this clip and notice the carton part flapping up and down being caught between SP and his hand. Wait for it:

creekside-church-surveillance-video-update-osmwucfa-co2rsbmm-hjrjevcc-jsrjcmz3-o_PbvZT5is.gif

If you import it as video frames to layers into PS it's frames 148-155.

Thanks for that info.

Personally, my guess has been that it's likely to be a small cardboard/plastic box with some sort of image on the sides and ends, an image that shows the contents to a possible buyer in a store.

 

[TheGardener]

HUH? We only know that she was shot. We can be sure that she was shot once, in the head but as to multiple shots, that is not known. It is only in the realm of possibility. JMO

Hey...I'm just looking for an accurate answer. So far, the answers to my question have been: punctured head and chest, shot and punctured head and chest, shot head and chest and now head shot for sure once.
This striking disparity has me thinking the MPD is doing a great job of holding the information close to the vest.

 

[Itsapuzzle]

I am not Steve, but I do not agree with it being a basket. I did not agree with it from the start. I respect GS for all his hard work on the case and for his commitment.

My opinion only, but I see a dispenser-like carton just like a plastic bag carton, which one rips open in a triangular way. Look at this clip and notice the carton part flapping up and down being caught between SP and his hand. Wait for it:

creekside-church-surveillance-video-update-osmwucfa-co2rsbmm-hjrjevcc-jsrjcmz3-o_PbvZT5is.gif

If you import it as video frames to layers into PS it's frames 148-155.

ALL IMO

-Nin

Thanks Noit'snot, nice work .... h'mm, had a good look at that clip and to me it still looks like a little plastic basket, even more so. It has diagonal slanting lines across the bottom, so you can't keep tiny things in it, unless you had a cloth base I guess, but you can put longer objects in it. It would probably be hard now to match up the basket with what's on sale now all these years later, and you don't know when they purchased it, so - unless you knew where the church purchased their stationery accessories/office stuff from back in the day, might be able to find a perfect match. But yeah, to me it's a plastic basket.

 

[SteveS]

HUH? We only know that she was shot. We can be sure that she was shot once, in the head but as to multiple shots, that is not known. It is only in the realm of possibility. JMO

You're right. Thanks.

"Two shots, one to the head and one to the chest" is the simplest death scenario to account for all of (a) death by gunshot, (b) puncture wounds, and (c) both head and chest wounds.

But it's also possible that there was only one gunshot (to the head, that killed her) and then the other is something else.

And there are plenty of other more complicated, more extensive scenarios that could work without contradicting what's revealed. The above just speak to the minimums but not the maximums of damage and means and wounds that may have happened.

The initial SW (day of murder) said she was "deceased from a head wound" and FBI ultimately told us she was killed by gunshot. The next day, after the autopsy, a SW noted "multiple puncture wounds found on her head and chest." In PCs, as far as I have seen, LE always declined to comment on her injuries.

 

[TheGardener]

Thanks for that info.

Personally, my guess has been that it's likely to be a small cardboard/plastic box with some sort of image on the sides and ends, an image that shows the contents to a possible buyer in a store.

I use a lot of ziplock bags in my work. It looks like a box of ziplocks to me. 2" x 2" x 8" box. Use them all the time. Could have picked them up to use for bagging up his blunts stash. Could be wrong.

 

[SteveS]

Either SP brought 2 hammers (I wrote hamsters first....), or they

LOL literally at perp bringing hamsters!

 

[Laughing]

LOL literally at perp bringing hamsters!

well there could be hamster pockets in that POLICE vest, right?

worthpoint.com

Does SP think they are a hamster???

ymmv lrr

 

[TheGardener]

LOL literally at perp bringing hamsters!

I feel like Paul Edgecomb in Green Mile after they're practicing the execution with Toot, and he tells the guards to be serious, because its like being in Sunday church and having something funny get stuck in your head.
Now, I'm having visions of Willard.

 

[TheGardener]

Of course, everyone here realizes SP is extremely mentally ill, right?
Between gallivanting around dressed as a cop with a gun in their pocket, and staying home making a jelly sandwich for themself while gaming at Grand Theft Auto, this SP chose B&E at the least and murder.

So, this character has serious mental irregularity living in that noodle they call a head.

As a person who has worked within the mental health and criminal justice system, I would like to suggest you pull back on assigning too much credit to SP for pulling off what seems like a baffling coup of complex machinations that resulted in murder and a clean getaway. SP, is not Ocean's 11. SP's lucky...for now. If you knew how many complete idiots commit similar crimes and get away with it, you would mourn. The criminal justice system battles with overwhelming numbers of prisoners who exhibit serious mental health problems. It isn't uncommon for large prisons to have mental health treatment units where prisoners receive psychiatric examination, counseling and chemical therapy. A burglar may be content to be so today, but they may also graduate to stalking, rape, murder (Col. Russell Williams, The Night Stalker, BTK, etc). It all depends on what they need to feed the beast living between their ears. I worry for Midlothian. SP is a B&E person carrying a gun. SP can break in and intimidate anyone to do their bidding, man, woman or child. If you don't believe it, check out the difference between the FBI - Midlothian property crime/burglary rate in 2016 and what it is now. This murder frightened residents and businesses in the area. The Midlothian property crime/burglary rate has gone down by double digits. The population gets it.

I pray that SP ate half of a cupcake in the church kitchen. I pray half a donut was missing from a box on a desk in the office. I pray that hammer had a wooden handle and SP used it ungloved while banging out dents in their 4 wheeler on a blistering hot day. Sweaty hands. Porous wood. Hammers have histories too. I pray SP has a dog who sheds hair like a stripper sheds clothes and that it loves sleeping on that POLICE vest with SP's dirty sock in his mouth. I pray there was transfer during SP's and Missy's confrontation. With major evidence unknown and maybe lacking, I pray the solution is on a slide in a lab right now, waiting in line with other cases at Parabon.

But then, a prayer is a wish your heart makes when answers do not come.

 

[TheGardener]

A seemingly silly question, but does anyone know if tithing is done via mail or the physical passing of the collection plate on Sunday at Creekside?

 

[SteveS]

A seemingly silly question, but does anyone know if tithing is done via mail or the physical passing of the collection plate on Sunday at Creekside?

I don't have personal knowledge of CCOC's practices, but my educated guess (since I attend a church of similar size and orientation in the area) is that they accept offerings and tithes via all of the above, and more. In our church, you wouldn't be likely to come to know the various dynamics of giving unless you attended there on a regular basis for some time.

 

[TheGardener]

I don't have personal knowledge of CCOC's practices, but my educated guess (since I attend a church of similar size and orientation in the area) is that they accept offerings and tithes via all of the above, and more. In our church, you wouldn't be likely to come to know the various dynamics of giving unless you attended there on a regular basis for some time.

Thank you. Its good to have a local perspective.

 

[al66pine]

Why Not a Rifle Shot from Woods?

Hmmm. Why would an experienced hitman risk possible discovery either by surveillance camera or someone inside the church, when they could simply position themselves outside (in the woods with a rifle), shoot her from a distance at her well publicized, usual workout location and leave?

@TheGardener
Briefly? Because SP was not confident of own shooting ability from that distance???
I have not Google Earthed* the church since early in the case. Where is a reasonably safe place (or two) in the woods w shooter concealment? How many feet or yards? From there, could SP shoot MB, regardless of the location/side of church building she chose to park? Just thinking about possibilities. Bonus points for anyone providing a map w places marked pls.

A or the hitman. Experienced? Unlikely imo that SP was a high priced, experienced hitman w twenty plus notches on the belt, commanding $100,000-$250,000+ for knocking off a senior executive at an NYSE-listed co. or a foreign ambassador. As was posted before, if paid to 'do the job' on MB, SP may very well be a "guy who knew a guy who knew someone" receptive to killing as a considerable $$$ step up from SP's usual property crimes as his main revenue stream. my2ct.

* And ^ that, folks, is how we verbify a noun.
Conversion (word formation) - Wikipedia

 

[TheGardener]

Briefly? Because SP was not confident of own shooting ability from that distance?

I have not Google Earth'ed* the church since early in the case. Where is a reasonably safe place (or two) in the woods w shooter concealment? How many feet or yards? From there, could SP shoot MB, regardless of the location/side of church building she chose to park? Bonus points for anyone providing a map w places marked pls.

A or the hitman. Experienced? Unlikely imo that SP was a high priced, experienced hitman w twenty plus notches on the belt, commanding $100,000-$250,000+ for knocking off a senior executive at an NYSE-listed co. or a foreign ambassador. As was posted before, if paid to 'do the job' on MB, SP may very well be a "guy who knew a guy who knew someone" receptive to killing as a considerable $$$ step up from SP's usual property crimes as his main revenue stream.

Ah so...you're in the cut-rate, hand-me-down hitman camp. Ok.
Why all the door prying, window busting and rummaging?
I would think SP the hitman (inside) would lay low at MB's known entry point ready to blast away, then escape.
Did SP's employer instruct them to arrive early and hang around for someone who might easily have changed her mind and not come to the church due to inclement weather? Why couldn't it be postponed until tomorrow?
Did SP's employer take into account the possible early arrival of an eager camper? Or a conscientious janitor concerned with a roof leak? Or a generous church member arriving early to repair a plumbing problem? Or the church director coming in to do some essential, early morning paperwork? Or the storm might have knocked out the electricity and made the church inaccessible to anyone other than church elders?
Being in that building allowed for a higher risk of discovery for every moment that ticked by. Yet, SP appeared unfazed, unhurried.

 

[al66pine]

Ah so...you're in the cut-rate, hand-me-down hit camp. Ok.
Why all the door prying, window busting and rummaging?
I would think SP the hitman (inside) would lay low at MB's known arrival point ready to blast away, then escape.
Did SP's employer...

@TheGardener sbm bbm
Cut-rate, hand-me down hit camp?
W SP buying gun at Scratch & Dent cabinet at SWFA?

No, I'm not in any camp, virtually nothing to contribute atm, just soaking up observations from others here.

But that post was not sarc. Maybe SP was not a great shot w rifle, did not want to be forced to finish the job w another weapon, so did not choose the rifle-in-the-woods option. my2ct.

 

[Civ]

You're right. Thanks.

"Two shots, one to the head and one to the chest" is the simplest death scenario to account for all of (a) death by gunshot, (b) puncture wounds, and (c) both head and chest wounds.

But it's also possible that there was only one gunshot (to the head, that killed her) and then the other is something else.

And there are plenty of other more complicated, more extensive scenarios that could work without contradicting what's revealed. The above just speak to the minimums but not the maximums of damage and means and wounds that may have happened.

The initial SW (day of murder) said she was "deceased from a head wound" and FBI ultimately told us she was killed by gunshot. The next day, after the autopsy, a SW noted "multiple puncture wounds found on her head and chest." In PCs, as far as I have seen, LE always declined to comment on her injuries.

When did the FBI reveal she was killed by gunshot?