TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #12

[liltexans]

I'm still about 10 pages back but wanted to throw this out there. I mentioned earlier in the thread that it is possible that the husband could be cooperating with police and was told to carry on as though nothing is amiss. MOO

I actually kind of doubt this scenario. Not that it isn't possible, but I think it's much more likely that a spouse would simply not believe the accusations made by the police. I think the spouse would defend the other spouse in most cases. Or possibly, the spouse could be complicit either before the murder or after. Either way, I can't think of too many cases where one spouse was secretly working with LE to find evidence against the other spouse. I'm sure it has happened, but it seems very unusual to me.

 

[arkansasmimi]

What is the first time stamp on the church video showing the perp? I apologize in advance, because I know this has been discussed. Just trying to figure out how early any one on the warrant list would have had to leave their home.

JMHO, we don't know who the Suspect is , so it also unknown where they would be coming from. Not necessarily from home. Chief Smith stated in press conf that Suspect first seen on camera at 3:50. MPD Official Press Release

 

[North coast]

I would feel more comfortable drawing conclusions about the letter and any intended meeting if we knew the circumstances of the writing. I don't believe she wrote the letter without the police knowing about it and being fine with it. Maybe the first one, but if they were unhappy with her writing the first, they would have made it clear not to write another.

That leaves two possibilities. First, that she wrote it completely on her own and the police stayed out of it but were ok with it happening. If this is the case I think there is very little we can infer from the substance of the letter. She might think she knows but is wrong. She might know it's someone in her family but that the rumor mill is looking elsewhere so she wants to continue the push in that direction. Heck, she could have read stuff on here and drew conclusions based on what people think here.

But I think it more likely that LE helped draft the letter. I know several have said that the wording sounds hinky. I think it sounds like many speeches and letters written for family members by LE to help rattle the perp. Sometimes you hear family pleas at a vigil or an anniversary of a unsolved murder and they were written at least in part by LE to target the killer and ratchet up the stress in their life. In the letter she is pointing out what is going to happen to the perp. He/she is going to be cuffed and hauled away in from of the person's family. The thought of that has to be near heart attack inducing. I think the comment about the boots is telling as well. If the police helped her write the letter, then I think they believe the boots were at least a bit too big. The perp probably thinks that was a smart move to help mess with the identification. But pointing out that they know and weren't fooled will also cause stress. I also think the fact that it was written without reference to gender is a real sign of police assistance. That is very difficult to do. Even in these posts I struggle to reword and remember not to refer to 'he' or 'she', and I'm not fully in one camp or the other yet. I think the police helped her be sure not to give away the gender of the suspect.

I don't think the police expect the letter to cause the perp to turn him/herself in. But I think they hope continued stress and pressure on the perp is going to make it more and more difficult to act normally.

This was exactly what I thought when I first learned of letter #2 here on WS. However, the fact that letter #2 (so far) is not on MSM has given me serious pause to reconsider. I'm not so sure anymore.

 

[liltexans]

This is how people involved with the case simply can't win. If they carry on as normally, people point to that as evidence that they don't care about MB, which means they are probably the perp. If they stop carrying on as normally, ch ange their routine or posting habits, etc., THAT is ALSO used as evidence that the person is probably the perp.

I think neither scenario is evidence that a person is involved; instead, I think it's evidence we are all letting our imaginations run away with us. IMO

I agree. I think people are starting to read more into everything than they should.

 

[tiffay01]

Police encouraging or having ANYTHING to do with the MIL writing a letter on her personal FB is just absurd, to me. She could have sent the letter to a newspaper to be published, but she did not. Obviously, she was hoping that the perp reads her FB posts, and/or was attempting to deflect suspicion away from her family. JMO

While I would normally agree with you 100%, on this thought. This case is anything but normal honestly.

1) the police announce they are taking a weekend off. (I have been around awhile and never remember a single case a mention that LE was taking off the weekend)

2) the amount of agencies involved for a murder (obviously there are many things we do not know about this case that le does)

3) releasing the warrants at such an odd time during an investigation, that showed exactly who they were investigating. (We have had docs released during investigation but typically the names are not readily available)

There are more I am sure I am forgetting or leaving off. So the hunky meter on this whole case IMO has to be dialed down, because truthfully this is unlike most any other case. So until we know the meaning behind everything LE has, I would suspect the family is playing the puppets in the play.

MOO subject to change as quickly as the Texas weather does!!!

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I can't help but wonder if the spouse of the perp knows of the murder too? Whoever the killer is.

Anyone here read the book, "Gone Girl" or see the movie? The husband knew she killed someone but stayed with her anyway. Of course, that is fiction.

If I knew my husband murdered someone, or suspected it, Would I turn him over to LE? What if I had an affair and felt guilty about it, knowing in my heart of hearts that it was because of my affair that my spouse went crazy with jealousy. What would I do then?

There is plenty of blame in this case to go around! JMO

Could be. At that point, what would one be thinking? Turn the spouse perp in and life is ruined, or don't turn them in, maybe get away with it? It could be the spouse knows and is just so freaked out and unable to do anything at this point.

 

[PibblePal]

I'm still about 10 pages back but wanted to throw this out there. I mentioned earlier in the thread that it is possible that the husband could be cooperating with police and was told to carry on as though nothing is amiss. MOO

Ack! Sleeping with one eye open [emoji15][emoji15]

 

[Razz]

I'm wondering when did he/she put on all that gear? Did he drive to the church in it or put it on when he got to the parking lot or inside the church? I also wonder how long it would take to put all that on? The whole outfit seems so cumbersome.

Yes, curious. Good point! That's another reason I think Swatperp may have had an accomplice who did the driving.

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[North coast]

I suppose anything is possible, but would LE dare leave children in her care when they know what she's capable of?

GOod point. I just don't know. Maybe if this person was under constant surveillance, not deemed a threat to his/her own children, and there was another capable, cooperating adult in the home.

 

[cady]

I would be frightened and outraged if I were being suspected. I would hire a lawyer and through them, demand that I either be arrested immediately or cleared very publicly. JMO

 

[liltexans]

I suppose anything is possible, but would LE dare leave children in her care when they know what she's capable of?

I don't think LE has much choice if they don't have the evidence to arrest someone or evidence that the children are in imminent danger. We see this all this time in missing person cases. Sometimes it seems obvious to the public that parents have made one child or their own spouse disappear, but if LE can't prove that, the remaining children often stay with the parent(s).

 

[Russian Blue]

I suppose anything is possible, but would LE dare leave children in her care when they know what she's capable of?

Yes, if he or she is not charged with a crime or arrest police cannot just step in and take children from parents or families, and it won't just be that easy, DCF Services would have to be involved too.. Look how long Mark Sievers had his children from the time he allegedly killed his wife until his arrest. There are many other cases where this is so. Right now no one has been identified as a person of interest or suspect here.

 

[nawd68]

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I wonder if the scripture posts are automatically posted to FB everyday? Not sure if that's possible. But I've seen many people post them everyday. Just a thought.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Yes, if he or she is not charged with a crime or arrest police cannot just step in and take children from parents or families, and it won't just be that easy, DCF Services would have to be involved too.. Look how long Mark Sievers had his children from the time he allegedly killed his wife until his arrest. There are many other cases where this is so. Right now no one has been identified as a person of interest or suspect here.

Exactly. LE's hands are tied. Remember the tragedy of Josh Powell's kids.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I don't think any of the public videos were timestamped? But LE released a statement for 3:50 being the time of suspect first on camera.


Timeline here:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fitness-...tinues-to-perplex-texas-police-002259586.html

This is a 7 sec video the MPD released that is timestamped. It was the first released. Then they released the longer version later. The LATEST released version is a bunch of snips edited together. Everyone needs to remember that 1) we do not know the placement of each snip in the full 30 minutes of video captured around the Creekside Church of Christ. The ONLY REASON we are seeing any of this is because the MPD asked for assistance from the public in possibly identity of the Suspect because of the noted gait.

They took all the time stamps out. Again this is stamped at 358... 8 minutes after they state first seen on video. https://youtu.be/QAbJ5YzWgcU

And when BB and RB did their press conf in front of the MPD on April 27 around 614ish (per a live feed news that shows time ) BB stated his change of thought why he now believed she was targeted... he said after he watched... then cut self off. SO he has seen the full video. JMHO by his comment.

 

[cady]

While I would normally agree with you 100%, on this thought. This case is anything but normal honestly.

1) the police announce they are taking a weekend off. (I have been around awhile and never remember a single case a mention that LE was taking off the weekend)

2) the amount of agencies involved for a murder (obviously there are many things we do not know about this case that le does)

3) releasing the warrants at such an odd time during an investigation, that showed exactly who they were investigating. (We have had docs released during investigation but typically the names are not readily available)

There are more I am sure I am forgetting or leaving off. So the hunky meter on this whole case IMO has to be dialed down, because truthfully this is unlike most any other case. So until we know the meaning behind everything LE has, I would suspect the family is playing the puppets in the play.

MOO subject to change as quickly as the Texas weather does!!!

Agree, the weekend off announcement was weird, but I thought that possibly they couldn't proceed until lab results and phone results were complete. DUNNO JMO

 

[robthomaseyes]

I would feel more comfortable drawing conclusions about the letter and any intended meeting if we knew the circumstances of the writing. I don't believe she wrote the letter without the police knowing about it and being fine with it. Maybe the first one, but if they were unhappy with her writing the first, they would have made it clear not to write another.

That leaves two possibilities. First, that she wrote it completely on her own and the police stayed out of it but were ok with it happening. If this is the case I think there is very little we can infer from the substance of the letter. She might think she knows but is wrong. She might know it's someone in her family but that the rumor mill is looking elsewhere so she wants to continue the push in that direction. Heck, she could have read stuff on here and drew conclusions based on what people think here.

But I think it more likely that LE helped draft the letter. I know several have said that the wording sounds hinky. I think it sounds like many speeches and letters written for family members by LE to help rattle the perp. Sometimes you hear family pleas at a vigil or an anniversary of a unsolved murder and they were written at least in part by LE to target the killer and ratchet up the stress in their life. In the letter she is pointing out what is going to happen to the perp. He/she is going to be cuffed and hauled away in from of the person's family. The thought of that has to be near heart attack inducing. I think the comment about the boots is telling as well. If the police helped her write the letter, then I think they believe the boots were at least a bit too big. The perp probably thinks that was a smart move to help mess with the identification. But pointing out that they know and weren't fooled will also cause stress. I also think the fact that it was written without reference to gender is a real sign of police assistance. That is very difficult to do. Even in these posts I struggle to reword and remember not to refer to 'he' or 'she', and I'm not fully in one camp or the other yet. I think the police helped her be sure not to give away the gender of the suspect.

I don't think the police expect the letter to cause the perp to turn him/herself in. But I think they hope continued stress and pressure on the perp is going to make it more and more difficult to act normally.

IMO, if the police thought the boots were too big, they would not - COULD not - focus on the gait. It would make absolutely NO sense to ask people to look out for someone with that gait, since it would likely NEVER be seen again, unless we are to believe the person, as a rule, wears the same big boots every day.

 

[DaleTray]

I agree. But here's where I'm having a hard time with the "it's a woman" theory... How does someone "waddling" with a bad foot, wearing too big shoes or boots, bulky "swat" gear that swings a hammer "like a girl" end up being an efficient killer, effectively overpowering a very physically fit MB in a short amount of time? *shrugs*

No doubt, with all the restrictions you mention would be counter productive and awkward warfare for a killer going up against a fit person. Darkness and surprise would lean in their favor....plus maybe a taser gun of some type.

 

[Stephenie]

Im curious about this cell dump. How many calls are going to be contained? I wonder if they are going to triangulate all of the calls placed in the five mile area between the hours of 3 and 5 am. Then run the target numbers and look for a match to the general area of the church grounds.
Was the warrant for all of the target numbers cell phone records themselves? It seems as if they wouldn't have a probable cause for any of their records based of the evidence stated.
Just because you may have called someone in the hours surrounding their death would not seem to me enough probable cause for their entire cell record.

No wonder they sent the data to the NYPD. That is going to be a lot of work.

 

[North coast]

IMO, if the police thought the boots were too big, they would not - COULD not - focus on the gait. It would make absolutely NO sense to ask people to look out for someone with that gait, since it would likely NEVER be seen again, unless we are to believe the person, as a rule, wears the same big boots every day.

ANd I thought the police later came out and said that looking at the gait was not useful