TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #20

[SteveS]

But if the Nissan was never spotted on camera at the church.

Then why haven't police mentioned the other car that was spotted at the church. Jmo

They did. And the info on it has been posted multiple times by myself and others in this thread. (The differences in the 2 sightings are clear, and the reason they didn't focus on the other one, or tell us to be on the lookout for such-and-such car in that other instance, was made quite obvious from what they said.)

 

[Lorinda Shores]

for all the speculation about height weight gait 10 min here 20 min there rain dry wet boots affairs campers license plates hammer saran wrap eyes motives, the answer is usually the simplest answer. All that other stuff we spendso much time obsessing about is really for the movies.

 

[Deleted member 718]

My original post was a reply to a poster that gave a lot of superlatives in describing MB. She may have been an angel. I don't know. I assume she was human & had warts like most humans. Not blaming the vic, but I get a little irritated when we treat them as god like. jmo

LOL, that original poster was me. :blushing: I only said what has been publicly said about Missy. I added nothing and subtracted nothing. But thanks anyway!

 

[KaaBoom]

Per multiple msm sources, police stated they felt she was targeted. So the police "feel" (according to the article), missy was targeted. That indicates to me that the police believe the perpetrator DID know she would be there. But you are right-I don't know that there wasn't a pile of church loot to be taken out to the car. I guess it just seems illogical for that to not be mentioned by police if robbery was a motive they were considering. And again (like previously written)-imho only.

I agree, that has been their theory from the first day. How well has it panned out for them? They have had a month to put together a case based on that ideology, and it sounds like they have run out of leads.

I have said from the beginning, I think this was a clear case of MB interrupting a burglary. As time goes on, I become more convinced, not less. But I’m still here reading this thread, looking for some evidence that would change my mind, but I’m not seeing it.

For the record LE investigators are wrong with their theories all the time. For example I know of missing persons threads on WS where LE investigated it as a case of a run away child, then they changed it to a homicide investigation when the person was not found, then they finally declared it to be an accidental death. Investigations change course all the time. Just because LE feels that she was targeted, doesn’t mean that they are right. Personally I think they came to that conclusion way to quickly. I’m not sure they have even investigated the possibility that this was just a burglary gone wrong. They seemed to already had their minds made up from the first day.

 

[liz b.]

With not a ton of computer knowledge you could create a LinkedIn account (or other social media account), use it, and cover your tracks enough so that it could never be traced back to you. If you are behind a proxy when you create the email address you used to sign up for LinkedIn and you only access LinkedIn while behind a proxy then it will be very hard for LE to figure out who you are.

Yep, proxy , but I think the specialized help that is working with local LE could find them. jmo Also, I instinctively did not believe it at the time it was said. Go figure. jmo

 

[DexterMorgan]

They did. And the info on it has been posted multiple times by myself and others in this thread. (The differences in the 2 sightings are clear, and the reason they didn't focus on the other one, or tell us to be on the lookout for such-and-such car in that other instance, was made quite obvious from what they said.)

Link please. And Explain more. Thanks.

 

[makista]

RSBM
I went on twitter today and searched for information about this case. All I can say is good grief. The picture of the car alone has some people posting tons of tweets about them seeing all sorts of wild paintings on the car, the nationality of the person inside, some very crazy and, quite frankly not helpful stuff. In this day and age where defense attorneys take all of this stuff and use it against the police if they don't look into every "tip" I can see why the police have said random thoughts are not helpful.

The police released the car info for a reason. I'm not sure why, but I am sure there is a reason. It could even be what they said in the presser: this is the last bit they need to go through before they are done with the video tapes. They need to do all they can to cross these possibilities off the list so that the defense doesn't cause reasonable doubt.

I can see that, but a make-shift swat uniform? seriously? Everyone is really on edge for a freak. I mean a real freaking, freak is why social media is getting so crazy. This is some type of copycat ( for lack of a better word) and someone posted about another case that was similar to this, where the woman confessed against her husband, but both are behind bars. This case has some type of history written all over it, whether it is re=paying a role, a traumatic event, copycat but the thing that really stands out is "competive/competing" nature. Who was always competing with Missy? Sure she exercised but this is competition of a jealous nature ( i think) The swatperp on the screen is not in shape and is short. The camera lens is round but perp is not 6 foot. His/her head is halfway between where knob is on the door and the top of door.

 

[Elle*Bee]

I don't see "reply wit quotes" on iPad mini

That's strange. I'm on an iPad mini and I see "reply with quotes" on the bottom right of each post (except my own, of course). It shows "thanks" "reply" "reply with quote" tben the symbol for quote +.

 

[SandyQLS]

Yes your conversion math is correct. Since it's difficult to determine if the distortion of items in the image is caused by the top-down perspective or the wrap of the wide-angle lens, I have no way of knowing if a distortion needs to be corrected or illustrated. The image is cropped, but in the original frame both the subject and the door are near the center, so they're arguably distorted in comparable amounts. That's why I chose that frame to isolate. The ruler is simply a scale, and since the quality of the footage is poor, a single pixel could mean as much as half an inch in variation. It is by no means "accurate", but it's the best I'm able to do given the image quality. However, at your suggestion, I've included an example scale to the right in the image below. You might be surprised to notice that if you put a scale ruler on a simulated top-down perspective, it means the subject is even taller than my estimates (see A below) over 6'1", and LE's estimates of 5'2'-5'6" slide further down the scale ruler (see B and C below) because of perspective. So more discrepancy (between my estimates and LE's), not less. ...snipped large image from page #60 post #888....

Thanks! We all totally appreciate your efforts and learning about this subtopic in the case. With your knowledge in this field, tell me that they do have software whereby LE can pop in the camera manufacturer specs, pop in the church specs, insert photo, select XX number of reference points to triangulate this suspect's height within an inch or two? And they have 100s of frames to work with while we only have a few. I find it so odd that LE said 5'8" - 5'9" for a month, then claimed the Tarrant County team had provided a more accurate suspect description, then at the presser on May 20 LE actually provided a LESS accurate description with a height of 5'2" - 5'7". I am starting to think that LE does not want to the public to have any clue, for any of a variety of reasons they may have....

 

[JLSChook]

for all the speculation about height weight gait 10 min here 20 min there rain dry wet boots affairs campers license plates hammer saran wrap eyes motives, the answer is usually the simplest answer. All that other stuff we spendso much time obsessing about is really for the movies.

Oh for sure. If people want to go somewhere to dissect the intricate details of a case,(like LE and Prosecutors actually do)-- they should probably go to Websleuths.

Oh wait....

 

[MrsPC]

I'm just curious how law enforcement were able to determine the approx year, color & make of the vehicle. From the photo it certainly isn't that clear. And if they have a better/clearer image - why did they not release that to the public.

 

[ZooSleuth]

Yep, proxy , but I think the specialized help that is working with local LE could find them. jmo Also, I instinctively did not believe it at the time it was said. Go figure. jmo

There's a lot of other variables at play, so "it depends" whether or not LE would be able to trace it back to you if you used a proxy. Would be nice if LE clarified or elaborated on what they meant by they were not able to find the creepy message person.

 

[Batbrat]

Another revision, per SandyQLS's suggestion, using top-down perspective on the scale ruler, (which is now in inches - no conversion necessary). Thanks for your suggestions, Sandy!

Edited to include: NOTE: the top-down perspective on the scale ruler is a simulation of a measurement in a 3-dimensional space, not a measurement of the objects in the 2-dimensional space. I've attempted to match the perspective/distortion seen in the image, therefore the scale itself is also distorted.

 

[al66pine]

" Originally Posted by ludakristen There is really no evidence (actual evidence) to support the robbery theory. Nothing, as far as we know, was taken from the church....." <-- sbm

Agreed. Where was the grab bag or a church hand cart or dolly to carry AV equipment to the window or door of exit.

Who knows ^ - no theft, no attempted theft - as factual? IDK.

How many minutes did church security system record? 30? 45? 60? How much of that has been publicly released? One or two minutes?
Has anyone on this board seen the recording of the many other minutes not released?
Did perp gather AV equipment, PCs, & Sunday collection $ at an exit? IDK. Maybe, maybe not. Not saying that perp did compile a treasure trove to steal. IDK.

Sometimes on basis of lack of information re Fact/Event X, we azz-ume that Fact/Event X did not occur.
LE is not obligated to release all results of investigation to the public on an ongoing basis*. LE is legally permitted to mislead or in fact lie in such circumstances. Just thinking about how we process info and lack of info and draw conclusions, sometimes founded, sometimes not founded.

JM2cts, could be wrong. IDK.


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* IIRC, At first presser LE said church reps were attempting to determine what property if any was taken and since then LE said appears nothing was taken, but I may be misremembering.

 

[KaaBoom]

Agreed. Where was the grab bag or a church hand cart or dolly to carry AV equipment to the window or door of exit.

Time line:
3:50 - 4:00 A few short clips of video evidence of what the suspect was doing.
4:00 - 4:20 Big black hole. No video evidence.
4:20 MB was murdered per LE.
4:20 - 4:35 Big black hole. No video evidence.
4:35 First witness arrived.

I love how you guys can piece together everything that happened over the course of 45 minutes from just a few seconds of video.

 

[0101ABA]

That's strange. I'm on an iPad mini and I see "reply with quotes" on the bottom right of each post (except my own, of course). It shows "thanks" "reply" "reply with quote" tben the symbol for quote +.

I see the same thing you do and I work exclusively from my iPad. If the OP (or anyone else) would like help with figuring this out, I'm more than happy to help. Just let me know

 

[robthomaseyes]

Yep, proxy , but I think the specialized help that is working with local LE could find them. jmo Also, I instinctively did not believe it at the time it was said. Go figure. jmo

They certainly haven't been able to find the vast majority of "Anonymous". All it would really take in this case is a public library computer, a free live.com account, and you've got yourself anonymity.

 

[PibblePal]

To those who are going on the theory that it was a random vandalism or random burglary, is that from the process of elimination because the SW has not been caught as a member of family/friends/coworkers? Or do you really think that is the reason?


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[bwt42]

for all the speculation about height weight gait 10 min here 20 min there rain dry wet boots affairs campers license plates hammer saran wrap eyes motives, the answer is usually the simplest answer. All that other stuff we spendso much time obsessing about is really for the movies.

To me the simplest answer is some wacko was vandalizing the church when he was surprised by MB & used whatever he had with him to stop her from exposing him. I have a hard time believing that if it was planned a more efficient weapon would have been used. jmo

 

[Seriously?]

It was in the people interview. I reread the article & to be fair she did not say BB was devastated but rather the news had to be devastating to him. Her opinion.

And spontaneously offered.....................