TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #25

[cady]

Did not know that, as I said I haven't been following the case. Can you tell me who dropped a shirt off at the dry cleaners and on what day?

Media link is on page 1 of this thread.....that could bring you up-to-date, rather than reading all previous threads. JMO

 

[rsd1200]

I have had married friends who decided to separate, but still living together because they thought they wanted to get divorced. Both parties were seeing other people. However after dating for a while, they decided the really did love each other and they got back together. This could be possible in the Bevers situation as well. It could also be the cause of the perp wanting to continue a relationship but MB broke it off or BB broke it off.

Not uncommon at all. Sometimes they even continue to live w/each other, and not seek divorce, just b/c of finances.

 

[Glammie]

Each frame from that sequence of the video is overlaid with a layer, on the layer I trace the outline of the subject, locate areas where there is little or no padding, etc. Within a 50-frame sequence, I use those data points to get an average size of that body part. It looks a little like this as I work on it:

Then each frame is reassembled in the same order.

You should send this to LE seriously, you are a genius.


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[WannaBDetective]

I'm shocked there are so many threads for this case? 25 is a LOT when so little is publicly known ‎
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‎I haven't been following this story so forgive me if I violate specific posting (sleuthing vs speculative) guidelines. Is it okay for me to speculate, that, in my opinion the father in law walks like ‎the man dressed in SWAT? That's a very distinct sort of swag. It sent a chill up my very privately owned spine.‎
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It's often said that if there's not an arrest in the 'First 48' the chances of not solving a murder increase exponentially. It seems to me rarely does an arrest come within 48 hours when there's not an eye witness or someone looking to cut a deal. I don't think enough time has transpired to say the police are out of leads, or that this case won't be solved.‎
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My speculative opinion only.‎

The problem is that FIL has a coraborated alibi out on the west coast at the time of the murder
As a newbie I need to warn you not to say the words bloody shirt or the place will go nuts again. We've finally got everybody settled down again

 

[MrsPC]

Great Job again MrsPC!!! I wonder if you can tell us about the eye brow. Does the eyebrow appear to be "sculptured" as women often have their eyebrows done vs men who usually don't have their eyebrows done. They maybe we can narrow it down to whether or not perp is in fact a woman or man.

I haven't really been able to get the brows because the helmet & whatever the killer is wearing under the helmet shadows or covers that up. Sorry

 

[BigCityAccountant]

A SW is needed because the person who allows a search voluntarily can later declare that it was not voluntary or that the search exceeded the parameters of the permission. Then of course, as you know, anything found during that search would be inadmissible in a court of law. From jurisprudence, a bad search is called a 'poisoned tree' and anything obtained during a bad search are the 'fruits of the poisoned tree' and therefore not admissible.

Thank you TeaTime for that through explanation!!! :great:

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I'm not so sure about the height. I believe they know after they went back exactly how tall the perp is. I also think the 5'2 - 5'7 range may have been given to make the SP feel as if they were in the clear. Jmo. The number of red herrings that have been put out by LE lead me to believe they know exactly who it is. They are in my opinion just gathering all the info they need to seal his coffin. And if I am wrong about the height, which I could be, CW fits the height.


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I believe the SPECIFIC height and the fact they stated they believed it was a man in the beginning was way too narrow. I believe they have someone in mind that may not have fit that SPECIFIC height and/or is not a man, thus the need to go back and change their narrative, so that a defense attorney could not use that as a way to get perp off. JMHO, of course.

 

[Seriously?]

YES!!!! This is what has been bothering me all this time also. I know LE/media have not really addressed this publicly, but this just keeps popping up in my thoughts!!!
I must admit, I change my mind frequently about who Swatperp could be and what the motive is but I always seem to come back to this. JMO

Maybe we focus our discussion on this for a while. Just throwing this out there. In a lot of other cases friends are speaking more publicly. Media goes after interviews of someone's "college roommate in 1979", who hasn't seen the victim in years. Why is it in this case the friends are strangely quiet? Those folks she trained are quiet. I wonder if the campers who showed up the morning of the murder saw more than they realized at the time. I wonder if some information has come from interviewing those campers. Maybe friends and campers are advised to stay quiet, and they're compliant. What do others think?

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

I'm comfortable saying it was a head injury, without being specific as to what caused it. Sure, it's possible she died of a massive heart attack after being attacked. Not likely, though. Police were sure enough to swear these facts as they understood them before a judge.

JMO, but after giving this some thought I'm thinking it's not that they're trying to hide the fact that the "puncture wounds" to the head weren't what killed her. (I believe from the wording that they, in fact, were.) I agree that we can't know what caused them from the wording in the SW. Just a theory, here, but IMO, LE's saying on legal documents that she died of "puncture wounds" - without autopsy results also disclosed which would include the exact nature of those wounds - could be a carefully worded way of stopping short of saying she died of gunshot wounds, which are, in medical jargon, 'puncture wounds.' Missy is reported to have had "multiple puncture wounds" to head and chest. This description (while not elaborated on in Missy's case) is also typical of a hired hit using a gun (doubletap style - head and chest). At least one media outlet reported death by gunshot (though the article later disappeared - was that a leak?) and an area store search for recent gun purchases was also reported that first week.

If you ascribe to the 'deliberate hit' and ambush theory, Swatperp carried out a detailed plan under a very tight timeframe...and JMO, but beating a fit person to death with tools doesn't seem to me to be the most time-efficient and failproof way to go about that. Also consider that just because a SW states prior to autopsy that those wounds were "consistent with" tools left lying beside her does not mean a gun's 'puncture wound' wasn't what actually killed her. That Monday night search warrant signed prior to autopsy only reported what LE initially observed, not the actual COD determined by the ME the next morning. Just as some of what they observed may have been intentionally left out, what they did state was likely intentional in its vagueness.

It's true that Missy may have gotten some puncture wounds from the tools found beside her--but the passive, leading way the SW is worded does not actually say that, studied closely. And the presence of the ATF and gunpowder residue-sniffing dog at the church the day after the autopsy wordlessly fills in what the SW leaves out, IMO. SP didn't have much time to kill her, so I don't see him taking much time to puncture her with tools if he's already executed her with a couple shots to her head and chest. Though, if this was a deeply personal hit, he may have tool-stabbed her as well for the purpose of making a final ugly statement. But I think we should at least consider that a tool might NOT be the actual murder weapon. We 've been given lots of leading word pictures (seeing him breaking glass with a hammer in the video, reading that the tools were found near the body...and then hearing various elaborative rumors springing from those facts). Our imaginations are prone to filling in the gaps, and I think the experienced LE on this case know that. But we should consider that LE steadfastly has resisted calling any of those tools the "murder weapon" when questioned specifically by reporters.

Personally, I think the tools left behind are a convenient red herring for LE so that they can keep the full extent of this investigation under wraps. (Eg. was her murder committed with one of those stolen evidence guns sold by the bad Midlothian cop arrested last month? If so, I'd expect all these agenices to be involved who are involved, and I'd also expect LE's investigation to carefully skirt her actual cause of death.) JMO, but I'm also inclined to think a perp who put this much detailed planning into a hit would not be so careless as to leave the actual murder weapon(s) behind.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[Seriously?]

JMO, but after giving this some thought I'm thinking it's not that they're trying to hide the fact that the "puncture wounds" to the head weren't what killed her. (I believe from the wording that they, in fact, were.) I agree that we can't know what caused them from the wording in the SW. Just a theory, here, but IMO, LE's saying on legal documents that she died of "puncture wounds" - without autopsy results also disclosed which would include the exact nature of those wounds - could be a carefully worded way of stopping short of saying she died of gunshot wounds, which are, in medical jargon, 'puncture wounds.' Missy is reported to have had "multiple puncture wounds" to head and chest. This description (while not elaborated on in Missy's case) is also typical of a hired hit using a gun (doubletap style - head and chest). At least one media outlet reported death by gunshot (though the article later disappeared - was that a leak?) and an area store search for recent gun purchases was also reported that first week.

If you ascribe to the 'deliberate hit' and ambush theory, Swatperp carried out a detailed plan under a very tight timeframe...and JMO, but beating a fit person to death with tools doesn't seem to me to be the most time-efficient and failproof way to go about that. Also consider that just because a SW states prior to autopsy that those wounds were "consistent with" tools left lying beside her does not mean a gun's 'puncture wound' wasn't what actually killed her. That Monday night search warrant signed prior to autopsy only reported what LE initially observed, not the actual COD determined by the ME the next morning. Just as some of what they observed may have been intentionally left out, what they did state was likely intentional in its vagueness.

It's true that Missy may have gotten some puncture wounds from the tools found beside her--but the passive, leading way the SW is worded does not actually say that, studied closely. And the presence of the ATF and gunpowder residue-sniffing dog at the church the day after the autopsy wordlessly fills in what the SW leaves out, IMO. SP didn't have much time to kill her, so I don't see him taking much time to puncture her with tools if he's already executed her with a couple shots to her head and chest. Though, if this was a deeply personal hit, he may have tool-stabbed her as well for the purpose of making a final ugly statement. But I think we should at least consider that a tool might NOT be the actual murder weapon. We 've been given lots of leading word pictures (seeing him breaking glass with a hammer in the video, reading that the tools were found near the body...and then hearing various elaborative rumors springing from those facts). Our imaginations are prone to filling in the gaps, and I think the experienced LE on this case know that. But we should consider that LE steadfastly has resisted calling any of those tools the "murder weapon" when questioned specifically by reporters.

Personally, I think the tools left behind are a convenient red herring for LE so that they can keep the full extent of this investigation under wraps. (Eg. was her murder committed with one of those stolen evidence guns sold by the bad Midlothian cop arrested last month? If so, I'd expect all these agenices to be involved who are involved, and I'd also expect LE's investigation to carefully skirt her actual cause of death.) JMO, but I'm also inclined to think a perp who put this much detailed planning into a hit would not be so careless as to leave the actual murder weapon(s) behind.

IMO, MOO, etc.

Just for clarity - gunshot wounds are called gunshot wounds in the medical field.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I agree with a minor deviation. I think the attack took place as she was trying to open the door - back turned to the killer. I'm not so convinced of the outside theory, because I believe the killer wanted Ms. Bevers cornered - no escape and unable to break free and run across that field.

I also think it is possible that when she realized what was happening she could have made a run for the door. We do know that she was found in the SW corner of the building and if I am reading Mimi's floor plan correctly, that would be near her car. I think if I realized something was amiss, I would start running toward my car too~~I think it is possible perp caught her in flight toward her car. :tears:

 

[ktrca]

JMO, but after giving this some thought I'm thinking it's not that they're trying to hide the fact that the "puncture wounds" to the head weren't what killed her. (I believe from the wording that they, in fact, were.) I agree that we can't know what caused them from the wording in the SW. Just a theory, here, but IMO, LE's saying on legal documents that she died of "puncture wounds" - without autopsy results also disclosed which would include the exact nature of those wounds - could be a carefully worded way of stopping short of saying she died of gunshot wounds, which are, in medical jargon, 'puncture wounds.' Missy is reported to have had "multiple puncture wounds" to head and chest. This description (while not elaborated on in Missy's case) is also typical of a hired hit using a gun (doubletap style - head and chest). At least one media outlet reported death by gunshot (though the article later disappeared - was that a leak?) and an area store search for recent gun purchases was also reported that first week.

If you ascribe to the 'deliberate hit' and ambush theory, Swatperp carried out a detailed plan under a very tight timeframe...and JMO, but beating a fit person to death with tools doesn't seem to me to be the most time-efficient and failproof way to go about that. Also consider that just because a SW states prior to autopsy that those wounds were "consistent with" tools left lying beside her does not mean a gun's 'puncture wound' wasn't what actually killed her. That Monday night search warrant signed prior to autopsy only reported what LE initially observed, not the actual COD determined by the ME the next morning. Just as some of what they observed may have been intentionally left out, what they did state was likely intentional in its vagueness.

It's true that Missy may have gotten some puncture wounds from the tools found beside her--but the passive, leading way the SW is worded does not actually say that, studied closely. And the presence of the ATF and gunpowder residue-sniffing dog at the church the day after the autopsy wordlessly fills in what the SW leaves out, IMO. SP didn't have much time to kill her, so I don't see him taking much time to puncture her with tools if he's already executed her with a couple shots to her head and chest. Though, if this was a deeply personal hit, he may have tool-stabbed her as well for the purpose of making a final ugly statement. But I think we should at least consider that a tool might NOT be the actual murder weapon. We 've been given lots of leading word pictures (seeing him breaking glass with a hammer in the video, reading that the tools were found near the body...and then hearing various elaborative rumors springing from those facts). Our imaginations are prone to filling in the gaps, and I think the experienced LE on this case know that. But we should consider that LE steadfastly has resisted calling any of those tools the "murder weapon" when questioned specifically by reporters.

Personally, I think the tools left behind are a convenient red herring for LE so that they can keep the full extent of this investigation under wraps. (Eg. was her murder committed with one of those stolen evidence guns sold by the bad Midlothian cop arrested last month? If so, I'd expect all these agenices to be involved who are involved, and I'd also expect LE's investigation to carefully skirt her actual cause of death.) JMO, but I'm also inclined to think a perp who put this much detailed planning into a hit would not be so careless as to leave the actual murder weapon(s) behind.

IMO, MOO, etc.

Respectfully I was schooled on this the other day, the tools werent necessarily left, it says " the wounds are cosistant with the tools we see in the video" not exact quote.

 

[SandyQLS]

Wow great animation


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Agree that BatBrat's animation is really great! It takes away all that bundling and distracting gear to highlight what exactly is going on with the duck feet and gait. LE/FBI probably did this same kind of work, and that is how they arrived at injury to right lower extremity. Very interesting!

 

[MrsPC]

I kept wondering how people are seeing a "heavy" person in the surveillance footage, and thought maybe it was a combination between top-down camera angle and the bulky gear. Here's what happens when a camera is at a top-down angle:

I created a brief animation using my "body scan" technique. I removed pockets, belts, shoes, padding, fabric, and helmet from the subject, limiting the amount stripped from each layer to the general body frame. Wherever an area of clothing folded against or confined an area of the body, that was the size I determined the body part to be and kept it consistent frame to frame. Using a technique similar to facial reconstruction (but subtractive instead of additive), I used key frames to eliminate the costume. I did not add or subtract any weight. Only the obvious bulk from clothing was subtracted. This is what I ended up with. I thought you guys might find it interesting:

Batbrat - first - Kudos for such excellent work. I'm really curious though - can you tell us how you determined the thickness of the individual or the padding at the areas I've highlighted below

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Just for clarity - gunshot wounds are called gunshot wounds in the medical field.

Yes, but a poster here in a previous thread (also in the medical field - just had taken a required refresher course that week which prompted her post) has stated that gunshot wounds are technically referred to (also) as "puncture wounds."

 

[BigCityAccountant]

I know I've said this before, but I keep coming back to the ATF dogs. Those are dogs specifically trained to scent for ATF specific things. Quote "... and they are getting help from both the Texas Rangers and the ATF, who brought dogs to the church Wednesday to sniff for gun-powder and other explosive residue." They don't just bring ATF dogs into every murder scene do they? I found that odd.

Interesting thought~~The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), National Canine Division (NCD) trains explosives and accelerant detection canines for federal, state, local and international law enforcement and fire investigation agencies.
Could the perp have tried to start a fire, would lead into the fire department visit. Other thoughts that come to mind include tear gas, fireworks, etc.

https://www.atf.gov/about/atf-canine-training-center

 

[cady]

Maybe we focus our discussion on this for a while. Just throwing this out there. In a lot of other cases friends are speaking more publicly. Media goes after interviews of someone's "college roommate in 1979", who hasn't seen the victim in years. Why is it in this case the friends are strangely quiet? Those folks she trained are quiet. I wonder if the campers who showed up the morning of the murder saw more than they realized at the time. I wonder if some information has come from interviewing those campers. Maybe friends and campers are advised to stay quiet, and they're compliant. What do others think?

One poster who is a local on rare occasions makes statements only in regard to their sadness for BB and family. That person has stated that they know both BB's family and KC/MC family. To my recollection, they have not speculated as to what motivated someone to bludgeon Missy to death. JMO It would be really helpful if they could give us their thoughts on that.

 

[zoeneli]

I'm curious...I'm now trying to study the video specifically on the helmet. Do you think it's possible that instead of a motorcycle helmet that it could possibly be an Army helmet like this?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81d0lQb3GoL._SY355_.jpg

Very possible. My suspicion is though that it is a tactical gear helmet. All of the gear looks pretty "official" to me. Not that it came from LE, but is all stuff they ordered from a site. I think they were really liking the feeling of power of being in full gear. Most of the helmets on sites that sell this type of stuff also have many side mount helmet cams and flashlights. The still shot someone posted several pages back of what looks to be a camera on the perps left side of the helmet could also be something similar to this:

http://www.chiefsupply.com/foxfury-sideslide-bolt-side-mounted-helmet-light.html

 

[SKresearch]

HEY YOU!
wrote:
I think they busted doors and windows and left to see if any cops responded to an alarm. Then they proceeded with their plan. Must have observed from nearby.
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I doubt this, but I am wondering about the possibility of it.
Seeing what the perp was dressed "like", I wonder if the perp "observed" when Police arrived.

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Another thing is:
Is this really about Terri Bevers
&/or
did the perp (dressed "like" a cop) see an opportunity to play a "cat & mouse" game with Police.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
Respectfully BBM, we do not know how she died, as in her COD or MOD from the Medical Examiner. This was stated in a Probable Cause Affidavit,
from Ford F150 SW, Affidavit, Warrant SIGNED AT 625 pm April 18 and SW Execution same date. It was FILED and made Public April 21, at 8: a.m. Autopsy was not completed until Tuesday Morning April 19th. MPD from start until now have stated they will not speak about her injuries or cause of death. JMHO they assumed this at the time of the SW affidavit due to appearance of injuries, not known fact.

Missy Bevers’ autopsy was completed by the Dallas County Medical Examiner's Office Tuesday morning. Midlothian police said they are not ready to make that report public. http://www.fox4news.com/news/126278594-story

* April 18, at 6:25 p.m. they were also calling the Suspect a he.

On 04/18/2016 at approximately 0500 hours, Midlothian Police Officers responded to an unresponsive person at Creekside Church, 5401 E US Hwy 287, Midlothian, Ellis County, Texas. Officers arrived on scene and found a white female, identified as Terri Bevers, date of birth 8/09/1970, deceased from a head wound. Officers on scene viewed the surveillance video and observed a male subject in a police jacket and a helmet walking through the building carrying tools and was shown to be burglarizing this location. It is believed this unknown male used an unknown instrument to cause the death of Terri Bevers at this location. http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Hea...1.html#warrant

Respectfully, just trying to keep things in context with timeline of things Factually known.

ORIGINAL Reply Comment OP:

Quote Originally Posted by Cannonball3804 View Post
Well, it's possible that police are wrong, sure. But it's all we have to go on unless told otherwise. They had to swear that they believed those details to be true before a judge, and have him sign it. And I am sure they had lots of input from various professionals at the crime scene in order to feel pretty good about taking that to the judge.


I stand by my comment prior and after the edit of OP. After I made ^^^ post, OP edited the comment to state this:

"I'm comfortable saying it was a head injury, without being specific as to what caused it. Sure, it's possible she died of a massive heart attack after being attacked. Not likely, though. Police were sure enough to swear these facts as they understood them before a judge.
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BBM, and I am thankful that the quote feature does not change when people go back and edit, especially times when it changes what was orig stated and makes it look completely different when someone sees only the edited remark. I personally have this happen both sides of the coin.

Just as I am ETA, to partially correct my orig comment here...I assume they may have known something by the Blood Spatter, at time of filing the SW on April 18, but the ACTUAL COD and MOD was not known until after Autopsy on April 19. see comment after this re Blood Spatter...