TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #25

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  • #521
Could the light be on a headband and the helmet over it?

I've got one of those lights, and I just don't see how that could work, under. I put it on top of my m/c helmet and it worked fine w/o the top band. I put it on around my head and it was horrible. It slipped and was very uncomfortable and did not provide good lighting. edit:Sorry they came out sideways.
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I've got one of those lights, and I just don't see how that could work, under. I put it on top of my m/c helmet and it worked fine w/o the top band. I put it on around my head and it was horrible. It slipped and was very uncomfortable and did not provide good lighting. edit:Sorry they came out sideways.
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Dang!! That's bright!! Yes, it could be one of these lights. I would figure the perp to be younger. JMO.
 
  • #524
I come back to the outfit was possibly "lifted" from someone and then placed back. This person had a whole arsenal of tools, the helmet, the headlamp, possible camera, you don't just buy all of that to do some vandalism in a church out in the middle of nowhere. This assailant targeted her, and in that specific venue, whether they know her or not, I'm not sure, I lean yes one day, and no, it's a budding serial killer the next.

Or it was a pro burglar kit. Headlamp and pry tools hint at that. Small investment for some potentially big draws. One church in the state was hit for $165,000 and I've read the Sunday money collections can be pretty high, especially to someone who might be a drug addict or very poor.
 
  • #525
Dang!! That's bright!! Yes, it could be one of these lights. I would figure the perp to be younger. JMO.

Us old people use them for night fishing on the boat. Lol. Thank you rsd1200 for trying that.
 
  • #526
Campers who found her are absolutely, horrifically, traumatized. I don't know why MPD hasn't released the 911 tapes, and campers are not saying what they saw. They don't exist on any public search warrant. Out of loyalty to my friendship with them, that's all I'll say on that.


BBM
Understandable !! I can only imagine how traumatized they are from this.

And I can respect your loyalty !! Thank you for responding !!
 
  • #527
Not one. SW clearly states "she was engaging in several such communications over LinkedIn." Who knows if she hooked up with any of them. LE might, but we don't.

It says a lot of stuff in the search warrants. I need a lawyer to understand. I know they targeted one individual specifically for the LinkedIn relationship?

I don't know if they hooked up or not. I think he sure wanted to. I did not know that Missy had 3 names she went by.

Terri "Missy" Leann Bevers was found murdered by Midlothian Police on Monday 18 April 2016 around 0500 AM, a crime under Texas Penal Code 19.02 MURDER (b) (1), to wit: A person commits an offense if he: (1) intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual. An offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.

The Linkedln account of Decedent is accessible through the following URL:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/missy-bevers-5al8375a

During the course of this investigation, several references have been made to the Decedent’s Linkedln account. We are preparing a full search warrant for the judge to sign. I hereby attest that there are exigent circumstances that make it necessary for me to additionally request on an emergency basis all information that was sent to the Decedent through the Linkedln service using private messages, chats or InMail between April 14, 2016 and April 16, 2016. We have reasonable grounds to believe that the killer, who is still at large and poses an immediate danger to other human beings,communicated with the Decedent in this manner in that time period.
Emergency Disclosure Request, Linkedln, MPD Case Number16MP016585

Additionally we have reasonable grounds to believe, and request on an emergency basis the content of any and all chat, private messages, InMail or other methods available to those with access to the Linkedln service were sent between the Decedent and Casey Williams (https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseyl21airbome) in the month prior to 18 April 2016. We base this exigency request on statements made by witnesses during the course of this investigation.
I also hereby submit a Preservation Request for the data contained in the accounts of both Decedent and Casey Williams

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-10&p=12528313#post12528313

(https://www.linkedin.com/in/caseyl21airborne)

Please respond to these requests via email: [email protected]. If this is not possible, then please provide the data in the form of an encrypted digital download accessible through the Internet by emailing instructions on access to the file to [email protected].
 
  • #528
Tonight Nancy Grace Mysteries. on HLN, went over the case. Said they had completely eliminated 9 people who were friends and/or knew thru her classes---maybe that's newer info? I've not kept up on this thread so this documentary tonight helped me. Reading here now.

They haven't "completely eliminate anyone." They're just not naming anyone a suspect...yet.
 
  • #529
Us old people use them for night fishing on the boat. Lol. Thank you rsd1200 for trying that.

It would definitely work for night-fishing. So, the perp might be older guy who liked fishing.... like father, like son. I thought they used those lights for spelunking.
 
  • #530
Or it was a pro burglar kit. Headlamp and pry tools hint at that. Small investment for some potentially big draws. One church in the state was hit for $165,000 and I've read the Sunday money collections can be pretty high, especially to someone who might be a drug addict or very poor.

Hmmmmm... that could be someone very specific. Very local or traveling through, relatives in the area?
 
  • #531
Yes, like they did with the SWAT perp gait tips. Overwhelming response maybe. I think they are still looking for that car. JMO.
Funny - let's agree to disagree (LUV you!). I think they have had that Altima for a long time. I think what they do not have is the driver of the Altima. I just went to reread what exactly did they say in the 5/20 presser, and LE has never been looking for the car, but for the driver of the car that night. I am not trying to parse or be snarky;I am hoping it is like that other case where LE had the car for a month but let the public think they were looking for it.

Asst. Chief Kevin Johnson speaking:

"...We believe that car is a 2010 to 2012 Nissan Altima. It's light in color, possibly
silver. It's hard to tell. As you remember, it was raining that morning. Let
me emphasize, though, we don't have any reason whatsoever to believe that
this car or its driver are in any way involved in the murder of Missy Bevers.
In the interest of following up on every possible lead, this is the last lead
that hasn't been exhausted from that video canvassing. We'd like to talk to
the driver of that car,
and they can contact us at our established tip line or
our non–emergency number. But again, we don't believe this is the vehicle
of the killer; we don't believe that there's necessarily any connection to the
[unintelligible 00:04:30]. It's well over an hour before the killer is believed
to have come onto the scene at the church and it's arguable how visible the
church may have been seen from that business on the morning when it was
raining. It's simply just an unfinished lead that we'd like to talk to that
person and see if they have anything to add to the investigation.
..."
 
  • #532
This may have been posted already. It's an article from yesterday.

Latest tips in Midlothian fitness instructor’s slaying all lead to dead ends

Johnson said many tips are “laced with misinformation from social media” as well as inferences made from rumors surrounding the killing, which has drawn national attention, including an article in People magazine.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...structors-slaying-all-lead-to-dead-ends.html/
 
  • #533
Funny - let's agree to disagree (LUV you!). I think they have had that Altima for a long time. I think what they do not have is the driver of the Altima. I just went to reread what exactly did they say in the 5/20 presser, and LE has never been looking for the car, but for the driver of the car that night. I am not trying to parse or be snarky;I am hoping it is like that other case where LE had the car for a month but let the public think they were looking for it.

Asst. Chief Kevin Johnson speaking:

"...We believe that car is a 2010 to 2012 Nissan Altima. It's light in color, possibly
silver. It's hard to tell. As you remember, it was raining that morning. Let
me emphasize, though, we don't have any reason whatsoever to believe that
this car or its driver are in any way involved in the murder of Missy Bevers.
In the interest of following up on every possible lead, this is the last lead
that hasn't been exhausted from that video canvassing. We'd like to talk to
the driver of that car,
and they can contact us at our established tip line or
our non–emergency number. But again, we don't believe this is the vehicle
of the killer; we don't believe that there's necessarily any connection to the
[unintelligible 00:04:30]. It's well over an hour before the killer is believed
to have come onto the scene at the church and it's arguable how visible the
church may have been seen from that business on the morning when it was
raining. It's simply just an unfinished lead that we'd like to talk to that
person and see if they have anything to add to the investigation.
..."

If they have the car, but not the driver, they are talking specifically to someone in these pressers. Then yes they could know who the car belongs to, but they are pretty sure they are not the owner? I definitely think they have the plates on the car. Why are they giving this person so many chances? I believe they think it is one of their own possibly.
 
  • #534
I've got one of those lights, and I just don't see how that could work, under. I put it on top of my m/c helmet and it worked fine w/o the top band. I put it on around my head and it was horrible. It slipped and was very uncomfortable and did not provide good lighting. edit:Sorry they came out sideways.
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I took a screenshot of the SP...this is what I got. It looks kind of like the older baseball helmets. My son wore one while playing ball. There looks to be a part of it that comes over the ears
and is molded to come out a little more... Hope this makes sense. Also you can tell that the SP is wearing shorts, with perhaps tights or spandex.
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  • #535
This may have been posted already. It's an article from yesterday.

Latest tips in Midlothian fitness instructor’s slaying all lead to dead ends

Johnson said many tips are “laced with misinformation from social media” as well as inferences made from rumors surrounding the killing, which has drawn national attention, including an article in People magazine.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...structors-slaying-all-lead-to-dead-ends.html/

Did not mention the car whatsoever.
 
  • #536
Hello sleuths. This may sound OT but please bear with me. Tonight I watched a Dateline about a 1984 murder of a popular SMU sorority girl. Police looked at an allegedly bad-tempered ex-boyfriend, the then-current boyfriend, and a male acquaintance whom they wrongly assumed she had rejected. The third guy was their suspect but they had no evidence and the case went very cold. More than 20 years later, her college roommate, who had become a PI to try and solve the case, started bugging the cops to test the DNA evidence, given new technology. Turns out the perp was a previously convicted sex offender who had been out on parole when the young woman was murdered. He'd knocked on her door and asked to use her bathroom, and she'd let him in.


My point in bringing this up is that we armchair sleuths, who absolutely have nowhere near sufficient evidence to figure out the Missy Bevers case, are focusing on jealous/spurned/scorned/would-be lover scenarios. It could be that one of those is it. It also could be that she found out something she wasn't supposed to know and was silenced, or that the couple's financial problems played an important part. However, it's also possible that someone unknown to Missy, her family and friends followed her in town and/or on the Internet, stalked her undetected and killed her because he/she wanted to murder her for any senseless, unreasonable reason.
 
  • #537
Are we allowed to mention something that was said on the Midlothian Police Department Facebook page?
 
  • #538
This may have been posted already. It's an article from yesterday.

Latest tips in Midlothian fitness instructor’s slaying all lead to dead ends

Johnson said many tips are “laced with misinformation from social media” as well as inferences made from rumors surrounding the killing, which has drawn national attention, including an article in People magazine.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/201...structors-slaying-all-lead-to-dead-ends.html/

They don't like social media. They have complained about that before. That's life in 2016 and other departments are learning how to deal with it and even use it to their advantage. Maybe they need to call for help.
 
  • #539
Are we allowed to mention something that was said on the Midlothian Police Department Facebook page?

If MPD is posting, I believe it's okay to link. If it's user comments, I believe that's off limits. Mods, correct me if I'm wrong....
 
  • #540
Yes I can. Hopefully.

Just want to start by saying I've worked as a medical and technical illustrator, so I have a thorough knowledge base with regards to anatomy. So in this technique, determining the general body size/shape is basically a tedious process of elimination.

This is a lot of words, so bear with me. A normal human body accumulates mass and volume in predictable or specific ways. For instance, muscles are limited in placement and (somewhat) in size. You will never see a muscle bulging out from the front of the knee and upper shin, for instance. By the same token, you'll rarely see a bulge of fat on the back of the knee (on an otherwise average-sized person). The knee has to bend, so fat rarely accumulates on the interior of joints. So that's the basics. Taking it further, you have to analyze a larger sequence of the video. Isolating one frame can be misleading, but if you study the sequence of video frame by frame, there will occasionally be a frame where the subject turns or moves in a way that allows the costume to either hug a body part, or pull away slightly, revealing a small area of the actual body shape beneath. These are "data points". They become fixed. That means, if one frame shows the fabric hugging the the calf, the calf is now that size, and so now I know that the same subject in every other frame contains a calf that same size, no matter how much fabric appears to conceal it. It can be smaller of course, but not bigger. In other words, the subject won't have an average sized calf in three frames, then grow a bulging calf in all the other frames. For this reason, since the technique is subtractive, the data points containing the smallest diameter of each body part become fixed. The subject's weight and body part size do not fluctuate frame to frame. He is limited to the smallest size determined by the fixed data points from a longer sequence. Additionally, the human body is symmetrical, so where one calf is a fixed size, so becomes the other.

Okay so to address your question and diagram. The area at the upper/outer portion of the thigh is not an area that normally accumulates fat or mass when a person is otherwise of average size. Someone with a massive bulge in that area would likely be either very muscular (or obese) overall. Likewise, the lower back does not typically accumulate so much fat that it bulges out over the buttocks. There are exceptions, of course. But as I stated above with the "data points" thing, there are frames where the back of the vest hugs more closely to the subject, and you can clearly see there is no bulging above the buttocks. The same can be said for the belly fat. Frames in the sequence show very little to no bulge, and in a later sequence of the video show the front bulge to be sitting too high on the torso to be a gut. I concluded it was bulging vest pockets, not a gut. Now, there may be more of a "love handle" silhouette to the sides than I've indicated, but from my anatomical knowledge, it's my opinion they are unlikely to be of any significant size, since there is less fat accumulation in other areas of the body and torso.

So the shorter answer is if you isolate just this one single frame, there could very well be body weight on those areas. But... when you take the video as a whole, frame by frame, and try to make that weight sit on the body in each and every frame, it simply won't work. Because some frames that bulk shifts, moves, or loses volume, and that's not how fat and muscles work. But it is how padding and fabric work.

Hopefully that answered your question. Don't ever hesitate to ask!

Thank you so much for not just explaining, but explaining it in such a way that a layperson completely understands what you said!!!


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