TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #28

[11frogs]

During the last press release, LE clearly stated that "Missy's family is not a part of this investigation" - In my opinion that means "cleared" at this point.
Bevers' family, including her husband Brandon Bevers and father-in-law Randy Bevers, have provided detailed and verified alibis for the time of the murder, Johnson said, and are no longer actively considered suspects"

BB and RB are not SP does not mean that one of them/or both are not involved. I think everyone is missing the BIG word in the
press release...ACTIVELY. Jmo

 

[DesiredJustice]

BB and RB are not SP does not mean that one of them/or both are not involved. I think everyone is missing the BIG word in the
press release...ACTIVELY. Jmo

Some are also missing 3 bigger words ("at this point") which we all know can change. At this "active" point, RB and BB "are not part of this investigation" as per the Assistant Chief. I assure you most of us are not missing any wording. I assure you, I'm not missing any words and I don't believe many on this thread are either. However, there are some that aren't able to hear between the tones or read between the lines either. If you refer back to many other cases when the spouses were "involved" and evidence was pointing LE in that direction, LE typically doesn't say anything close to what detectives have said in this case about BB and RB. It's not always about what is said; it's about what isn't.

 

[PibblePal]

BBM

I just get an extremely strong sense that is what is happening in this case. MOO

Yes, THAT. ^^^ I agree completely. [emoji106]


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[Seriously?]

I am just wondering, what is the most recent verified source we have that indicates the FBI is still involved?

Glad you asked this......does anyone know? Can anyone local speak to presence of LE. I remember someone talked about the officer at one of the classes about a week ago. Anything else local?

 

[DesiredJustice]

Just to be clear, I am not saying that anyone conspired with BB to give him a false alibi. I am stating that a false alibi (by any person questioned by LE) is one possibility in this case.

There has been much discussion about whether or not a hit man was involved in this case. A hit man would definitely involve a conspiracy and could likely involve a false alibi. A false alibi would become increasingly likely if the hit man was a recruited friend/relative rather than a professional. We have also wondered why the FBI is involved. Murder for hire is one reason that the FBI may be called in. Money laundering is another.

FBI gets involved for more reasons and lesser ones than you may realize. With the get up SP was wearing was an invitation for them to get involved originally imo. They also are a big help in profiling particular crimes such as this one and opinions requested. Once certain things and motives are ruled out, they become less active in cases.

 

[SteveS]

There has been curiosity here about a will, probate, etc for MB. I live in Texas and am very conversant with the legal process of passing assets along, when someone dies. (I know the legalities and have been through the process many times over the years, with both family and non-family.) So here's the bottom line. (This is the practical version per what really happens, not the legal ideal.)
1 "Probate" is the legal process - court - for determining who gets to own/control assets when a person dies or is unable to handle their affairs. (For the discussion here, I'm not going to deal with the latter, although the underlying legal concepts are very similar.)
2 The trigger is assets (a) tied to the name of a deceased, that (b) are unable to be used/disposed of without getting the deceased name out of the mix, and (c) [this is important] a need arises to do so.
3 The most common trigger for death probate in Texas is to sell real estate owned by deceased.
4 Death probate starts when someone starts it. Typically, it happens by either filing a will or filing a "claim" against the estate of a deceased. But if there is no will, or no claim, and no real estate to sell, often no one gets in any hurry. (And a person can die without there being a need for a probate, ever, so death itself isn't a trigger.)
5 When one spouse dies, it is common for the other to stay in the house, and they may not move. As a result, it can be possible for the real estate to stay in the name of both spouses, until a need arises to sell.
6 In theory, death probate (if needed) is supposed to begin fairly soon. Practically, however, it might not. (I've seen probates that weren't done for 30, 40, or more years.)
7 Probate can also be expensive at times, so there is an incentive to put it off if you can.
8 OTOH a death probate may be started fairly quickly, if there's a reason.
9 Once started, it can be fairly quick, or it might drag on for quite some time. On occasion, for many years.

All that having been said, any probate at this time regarding MB (or not) is really irrelevant to the murder, and can tell us nothing in that vein. Yes, outsiders can dig around out of curiosity and see whether a probate has been opened, what's going on with it, find out more about this family, etc. But I hope they don't, and if they do it here I hope WS is family-friendly enough to remove any such stuff and ban them, because a probate would have NOTHING to do with MB's murder, and her family has endured enough without creepy outsiders snooping through their personal lives and airing info on them out of idle curiosity or boredom. JMO

 

[SteveS]

It's my understanding that it was a procedure such as colonoscopy. He apparently had an issue with diverticulitis in previous months that was causing the pain. My girlfriend had the same issue approximately 2 months before our ski trip. She was good to go.

Yeah it's important that we understand that because I may have had Malady X with pain to this or that degree, it doesn't mean that what BB has been through, or his discomfort or recommended protocol, is in any way the same. We are all unique. (FWIW I had a colonoscopy about a month or two ago. It was a pain in the butt, both literally and figuratively...but once it was over, I went home and took a nap per doctor's orders, and by the next day I felt great.)

 

[Seriously?]

.....All that having been said, any probate at this time regarding MB (or not) is really irrelevant to the murder, and can tell us nothing in that vein. Yes, outsiders can dig around out of curiosity and see whether a probate has been opened, what's going on with it, find out more about this family, etc. But I hope they don't, and if they do it here I hope WS is family-friendly enough to remove any such stuff and ban them, because a probate would have NOTHING to do with MB's murder, and her family has endured enough without creepy outsiders snooping through their personal lives and airing info on them out of idle curiosity or boredom. JMO

Thanks for this. Public access to folks' assets just a little too much for me until and unless this is tied to a motive for murder.

 

[SandyQLS]

I don't think this was a 'hit'. My very first reaction to SP was that SP is female. I haven't changed my mind despite Batbrat's amazing recreations. SP walks like a very pregnant woman with bad posture and back pain. It reminds me of those I know who were once extremely overweight and are not any longer. They still have the walk they adapted to when they were much bigger. The injuries to the face and chest indicate female. I don't care what BB said about SP holstering a hammer, that swing is as girly as it gets. To me SP has all the hallmarks of a middle aged woman, not a man, not a fit young woman but a tired, worn by age woman with a bad hip. SP acts tired. Very tired or maybe very depressed for a very long time. SP does not have a strong middle core, otherwise the head would not be in that position and there would be no hunched up shoulders and hump. SP is not physically fit. SP got out of their house and drove away in the wee hours with a bag of gear without being detected. I think SP is single.

RBBM. I do not understand how injuries to the HEAD and chest are indicative of a female SwatPerp. Yes, I understand many posters believe that the SwatPerp was expressing rage, jealousy or strong emotion in this murder, and the psych analysts make this kind of claim often. But say you want to murder someone, exactly what body parts does one attack other than the head and chest? For example, if one is properly trained to shoot a gun, then the aim is always center mass, the center of the chest, which will most often produce a shot to the upper torso or head. Is there some method for determining gender of the suspect because he chose to murder by attacking the foot or other body part?

 

[SandyQLS]

There is a death certificate. Funeral homes require a DC before they proceed. The final autopsy report is not yet completed, but a DC was issued.

Do you have a link to a death certificate being issued? How can a death certificate be issued without a final autopsy report? What doctor signed off on the cause of death, manner of death, etc.? Perhaps Texas is different. Here, a death which requires no autopsy (eg, natural causes), where the attending physician is automatically willing to sign the death certificate, it will still take about a month to receive an official DC. And, I guarantee that here, you will not be able to do anything without a death certificate - except, you can have the deceased removed to the mortuary for cremation or embalming the day of death, and funerals with burials or scattering are held within days without a death certificate.

 

[WannaBDetective]

Re: bolded - who is WH ? TIA

Wendy Houtz. (SP?). Wife of BBs close friend who was a Successful business owner. This Friend recently died. Known them for many years. Received a SW iirc. Subject of a lot of local rumors.

 

[arkansasmimi]

If the court has not received the death certificate yet, then isn't it impossible to start the probate if a probate is needed? (PS- you're such a super-sleuther! - I never even thought about checking for a probate case.) In fact, without a death certificate, there a number of problems for BB from bank accounts to the deed for the house to life insurance proceeds to claiming SS survivor benefits - I think BB may be in limbo on any number of issues without it.

Thank you for kind words, :blushing: lol but I was thinking of when my brothers wife passed away suddenly years back. (she thought she had the flu, my bro and nephew left to go to store she requested some Theraflu, when they returned home 20 min later she was deceased. She was under doctors care but not for anything that would have caused this or even so sudden. So, due to that, age, home alone had to have an autopsy) Happened on Sat, autopsy done and she was at the funeral home by 835am Monday morning, burial was Thur. My Bro rec'd death certificate by funeral time, but it stated Pending. It was a long time before the tox and other testing came back then they amended the death certificate with her COD. (She had only 1 kidney and it had stopped working properly and that mimic her flu like symptoms and that why she passed)

I realize laws are different in TX than in AR. I know in my bro case, he had to file the Probate due to property and so forth. Life Insurance wanted to wait on the final DC. (They had had it for many years but JMHO they do that for many reasons) And here the Autopsy report is considered part of medical records iirc.  My Uncle passed away in TX in March but my Aunt got his DC fairly soon but he was old and in hosp and no autopsy. Strange what is considered public records some places and not in others. JMHO

 

[arkansasmimi]

There is a death certificate. Funeral homes require a DC before they proceed. The final autopsy report is not yet completed, but a DC was issued.

Correct, the funeral home is who fills out the DC information and then they are who submits it to the State Vital Records to be filed. If autopsy is done it will be pending on the COD/MOD and then amended later, but you will have a DC and it is legit*** That is why you always get more copies than you think you may need .. cheaper. I think you usually get 2-4 but depends and the funeral home Director will help you with what may need for (probate, banking, insurance, all types of legal stuff) .. thankfully never had to literally do this myself but have had family members do. But have gotten DC in doing family tree research and I know in TX when I got one for my baby uncle because my Granny never had a copy... it was $20 for 1 iirc !

 

[SKresearch]

He is quite simply a "common" thief and vandal who murdered because of the situation of complete surprise with Missy entering his crime scene.

murdered by "who"
, and "why" murdered

[Your above statement,
is exactly what the perp is "hoping" Police will "believe".]

It is not the case. (and the person "staged" the scene.) (pryed "inside" doors, etc.)

I may not be able to "prove" this. However, that does not change this any: I know that is what this person did.

(and I think Police know it, too.)

 

[arkansasmimi]

There are certain criteria one must meet in order to qualify for CVC in Texas, financial eligibility being only one. CVC is the payor of last resort, meaning victims must have exhausted all other means of payment. The money is not available to all victims of crime, independent of other variables. Without getting censored or creating another riot here, other criteria must be met before application is granted. Victims advocates through local police departments can advise victims of their rights.
Sometimes general information about programs, procedures, etc. doesn't include the nuances, which is why I'm posting this.

Thank You!! And as it should be. I remember back when Trayvon Martin was killed, his Mother had filed for it and approved but was never made clear if she actually received the $$. Due to the Terrorist attack in Orlando, it reminded me again of that Victim Service and was just checking to see what TX had. There has to be guidelines. IIRC here, this is where some of the $$ that people charged in crimes here have to pay and it goes to that fund here. If there were not guidelines, they would not have the $ to help anyone. JMHO.

 

[interestedincases]

Before the funeral home proceeds with what? I've never heard of that any funeral I've been involved in planning, the death certificates didn't come until 10 to 20 days later after the funeral/services etc.

I just went through a funeral with my grandpa that was outside the norm. He was sent to the medical examiner and they released him quickly but the funeral home would not proceed until the my got the signed off report from the medical examiner. I am with you that you are correct. They will proceed with funeral and death certificate comes after that (that was the case in my mom and stepdads funerals). But, Funeral homes WILL NOT proceed without the medical examiners release.


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[TeaTime]

RBBM. I do not understand how injuries to the HEAD and chest are indicative of a female SwatPerp. Yes, I understand many posters believe that the SwatPerp was expressing rage, jealousy or strong emotion in this murder, and the psych analysts make this kind of claim often. But say you want to murder someone, exactly what body parts does one attack other than the head and chest? For example, if one is properly trained to shoot a gun, then the aim is always center mass, the center of the chest, which will most often produce a shot to the upper torso or head. Is there some method for determining gender of the suspect because he chose to murder by attacking the foot or other body part?

I can't lead you to any studies on the subject, it is just something that I have heard from homicide detectives I know and have known over the years. You don't have to believe it, or even think I learned this information over the last few decades from them. However, they have all told me the same thing, multiple puncture wounds to the face and chest are typically a hallmark of female perps and sometimes gay men. It has to do with exacting anger on the victim's perceived beauty and femininity and is done in a jealous rage.

They have also told me that a woman who has never held a gun before can shoot around a corner and hit a perp right in the heart while men more experienced with weapons will miss. I guess when we go cray-cray, we don't play.

Anyway, you can choose to take this and tuck it away in your arsenal of sleuthing tools or disregard what I post. Just thought I would share what I have learned in real life over the years.

 

[SteveS]

Do you have a link to a death certificate being issued? How can a death certificate be issued without a final autopsy report? What doctor signed off on the cause of death, manner of death, etc.? Perhaps Texas is different. Here, a death which requires no autopsy (eg, natural causes), where the attending physician is automatically willing to sign the death certificate, it will still take about a month to receive an official DC. And, I guarantee that here, you will not be able to do anything without a death certificate - except, you can have the deceased removed to the mortuary for cremation or embalming the day of death, and funerals with burials or scattering are held within days without a death certificate.

Not really picking at you, but since your comment was part of the conversation, I've addressed it thusly. In observing the back-and-forth about a DC, I don't get the point, if there is one. A DC is used to provide proof to others (if needed) that a person has deceased. And it records basics, like when and how, such as homicide, suicide, a certain illness or condition, etc, plus some basic info about the deceased. But for our purposes, didn't we already know all of that?

 

[interestedincases]

My gut says SP is female but the only thing that stops me is the calmness. To me that leads more to men....there to do a job, firm focus, it's done. Women I tend to think go a little crazier with rage. We work ourselves into a frenzy. We lay in wait. We don't "hunt". SP to me is hunting..


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[observation]

My gut says SP is female but the only thing that stops me is the calmness. To me that leads more to men....there to do a job, firm focus, it's done. Women I tend to think go a little crazier with rage. We work ourselves into a frenzy. We lay in wait. We don't "hunt". SP to me is hunting..


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Well- I believe she hunted down Missy. How they acted before is noting compared to what they did- crazy rage. YES. MOO


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