TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

[ocgrad]

indeed intriguing, but perhaps his mom called him every morning or when he went on trips to check on him?

Another good reason for marital struggle. But yes there are reasons they might have spoken before 5 am. We don't know what their norm is, just that this isn't normal for most. Its one more incongruity with BB and the Ts in this circumstance, IMO. I know if it were me and I spoke to someone, especially at an unusual hour, and they expressed worry over their spouse's safety and it turned out they were being murdered almost as we spoke, a flag would go off. I guess depends on how far you take coincidence. Not that I think BB or MT is the SP. Just found it striking. Or perhaps the call never happened and MT made it up trying to show what a concerned hubby BB was to help take suspicion away from him. Or perhaps the call did happen because BB knew something and wanted to establish his whereabouts. Just speculating the possibilities around such an odd statement.

 

[ZVEDZA]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
In investigations that I've been a part of where burglary/vandalism resulted in a homicide, "burglary gone wrong", and where we haven't been able to immediately identify the perpetrator it does take a lot of time to get an arrest.
As most of you know it is a capital crime here in Texas to commit murder in the process of burglarizing an establishment. In these cases it takes anywhere from a week to a year before the perpetrator is arrested for burglarizing another establishment.
On a daily basis LE personnel assigned to investigate the capital crime is made aware of any and all arrests made where the original crime of burglary is made. If LE has a strong hit on a suspect, bond will try to be denied for a few days in order to verify certain evidence.
If the verification of evidence ranks high enough LE will work with the courts to set the bond amount very high so that the suspect stays incarcerated long enough for DNA, electronic, suspect relationships to others are established, etc. data to be analized.
Once LE is confident enough the case is presented to the DA.
If a suspect is incarcerated LE has time to get an 'air tight' case built....without regard to the public asking for answers. This process has been know to take several months. The most important factor for us is that a conviction is made.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Another good reason for marital struggle. But yes there are reasons they might have spoken before 5 am. We don't know what their norm is, just that this isn't normal for most. Its one more incongruity with BB and the Ts in this circumstance, IMO. I know if it were me and I spoke to someone, especially at an unusual hour, and they expressed worry over their spouse's safety and it turned out they were being murdered almost as we spoke, a flag would go off. I guess depends on how far you take coincidence. Not that I think BB or MT is the SP. Just found it striking. Or perhaps the call never happened and MT made it up trying to show what a concerned hubby BB was to help take suspicion away from him. Or perhaps the call did happen because BB knew something and wanted to establish his whereabouts. Just speculating the possibilities around such an odd statement.

Hi and sorry, I must have missed a bit. How do we know BB spoke to his mom before 5am?

 

[SteveS]

More curioser than it ever was before! A camper called BB sometime after MB's body was discovered at 5:00AM. Then BB calls MT between 5:00-5:30AM because KS (NBC5 report) says MT called her at 5:30AM. Somewhere in there, LE called BB twice. Why would MT and BB have a call before 5:00AM "before we knew anything happened"?

The conversation they had, that was described as "before we knew anything happened", happened the day (or was it days?) before the murder. I'm sure BB talked with his mother many times in the days/weeks/months before the murder. Not sure why you would see that as an issue or something that is "curiouser." That's what family does - from time to time, they are in contact with each other, and tend to share the joys and concerns in their lives.

 

[David21t]

Hi and sorry, I must have missed a bit. How do we know BB spoke to his mom before 5am?

It's my belief, MT is saying the converstion with BB was SUNDAY morning, not Monday morning.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I'm about 90/10, leaning 90% that they know who it is and they are in the process of connecting all the pieces together and preparing their case to present it to the GJ. The fact that they are trained professionals with experts, resources, captured data, interviews, alibis, technology and more that we are not privy to makes it hard for me to say they don't have someone specific they are focused on. I also think in the beginning they offered more information and gave updates because they didn't have all the pieces they needed to pinpoint a suspect, but once they did pinpoint a suspect they stopped communicating information to the general public. Since this will likely be a death penalty case they need to protect everything they have....they can't take any risks that could potentially jeopardize what they have.
I have a tendency to sway my decision from day to day on this case, so this is JMO today and tomorrow it might be different.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

It's my belief, MT is saying the converstion with BB was SUNDAY morning, not Monday morning.

Me too!

 

[SKresearch]

bbm

Why didn't she see lighting already from outside and then at the latest inside?

(That was a great point/question.)

Maybe she did.

First of all, we need to know the answer to this:
Were the lights normally, "kept on", when noone was there? (or were they turned "off"?)

 

[No it's not]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
In investigations that I've been a part of where burglary/vandalism resulted in a homicide, "burglary gone wrong", and where we haven't been able to immediately identify the perpetrator it does take a lot of time to get an arrest.
As most of you know it is a capital crime here in Texas to commit murder in the process of burglarizing an establishment. In these cases it takes anywhere from a week to a year before the perpetrator is arrested for burglarizing another establishment.
On a daily basis LE personnel assigned to investigate the capital crime is made aware of any and all arrests made where the original crime of burglary is made. If LE has a strong hit on a suspect, bond will try to be denied for a few days in order to verify certain evidence.
If the verification of evidence ranks high enough LE will work with the courts to set the bond amount very high so that the suspect stays incarcerated long enough for DNA, electronic, suspect relationships to others are established, etc. data to be analized.
Once LE is confident enough the case is presented to the DA.
If a suspect is incarcerated LE has time to get an 'air tight' case built....without regard to the public asking for answers. This process has been know to take several months. The most important factor for us is that a conviction is made.

Thank you for posting your input. In other words are you saying, the reason the police has not arrested anyone yet is because they don't have a suspect? If they had a suspect, they would arrest, keep him in jail and meanwhile getting the evidence processed? Doesn't that depend on the complexity of the case?

-Nin

 

[Deleted member 718]

bbm sbm^. IIUC from cg website,* trainers are independent contractors. Unlike employees, IC's receive very few, if any, benefits & perks (iiuc gen bus. practice). So doubtful, imo, cg pays any premium toward trainer health ins.. JM2cts, could be wrong.



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* http://campgladiator.com/faq-events/ Nothing here about health ins, vacation, life ins, etc. Possibly elsewhere & I may have missed it.
"What benefits does Camp Gladiator provide to CG Trainers?Camp Gladiator provides an income opportunity that is unmatched in the fitness industry in addition to its amazing platform of behind the scenes support. We also host bi-annual meetings that provide our trainer force with approved continuing education units for their CPTs with nationally accredited organizations. The Camp Gladiator brand is unparalleled and provides its Independent Contractors with instant recognition and credibility. CG Trainers work together using the CG Platform to collaborate, share ideas and best practices, and grow as a fitness professional." bbm A bit O/T, at same ln:
"Does Camp Gladiator provide CG Trainers with workouts and equipment?
Since our trainers are the best of the best, we encourage them to be creative and come up with their own workouts. However, CG does provide sample workouts and trainers share new ideas to keep things fresh. All workouts also have an overall theme that relates to the CG 4-Week Cycle. In terms of equipment, since CG trainers are Independent Contractors, they purchase their own equipment for workouts." bbm
http://campgladiator.com/

You are right. I don't know if CG paid anything toward Missy's insurance. I was assuming so as Missy was listed as the primary on the family's health insurance. Perhaps she took out a family policy from a private company. From the exclusive People Magazine interview:

"One setback he did mention involves the family's health insurance. Because Missy was the primary person listed on the policy and is deceased, he says he was recently told his insurance is longer valid.

"No one told me. I was going to use that for counseling services for the girls," he says."

http://www.people.com/article/texas-fitness-instructor-died-husband-speaks

As was discussed in previous threads, we hoped he was able to find an alternate source for counseling. Such as schools, church or a community mental health center.

 

[SKresearch]

What we are not able to see...may hold the most clues.

("If" the FBI has not done so, already)

They have used this (available "tool") before (although I doubt they would admit to it), but...

They are familiar with "remote viewing".

(Since the clock is "tick, tock" ing away, in regard to this case),

I think they should get some
(real) "remote viewer"(s)
to look and "see",
if they can possibly get some "information" in this case.

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Might possibly also be able to get the license plate number,
of that car.
(believed to be a: Nissan Altima)

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Maybe the FBI has already used this "available, tool"
- in regard to this case.

But, if they haven't,
what do they have to lose, by trying it to "see" if they "possibly" CAN get some "information".

[In some cases, authorities HAVE been able to get more "information",
which did - in fact - "help", with the case.]

 

[SteveS]

I think you all have done a great job on the floorplans and cameras. The most injurious things to security at the CoC are the fact that a murder occurred there, LE put out that the exterior cameras were only working intermittently or not at all, the cameras as shown on MPD released videos might be a tad inadequate and need upgrading, and that LE put out that they do not have an alarm system/permit that connects to LE. All of these problems are not created by WS'ers and can be remedied by CoC.

There are many reasons to explore the floorplan and cameras:

-was this a burglary for theft gone wrong?
-was this a vandalism?
-was this a staged burglary?
-why didn't SP take anything - was SP unable to locate something?
-if there is anything of value to take, where in the building is it? (like AV equipment, or the office)
-why did SP seem to have so much trouble with entry if he is a burglar?
-how much knowledge did SP have of the CoC floorplan? of the cameras and alarms?
-why is SP so confident that they are unconcerned about being seen on the cameras?
-where was SP, what was SP doing, where did SP lie in wait or encounter MB?
-where was MB going after she went inside?
-where was MB body located?
-why didn't the cameras capture the struggle? Did SP care if the cameras captured or not?
-why didn't MB see the interior damage or opened doors when she entered?
-how did SP escape?

You know I like lists LOL, there are too many points to count on this one. Suffice it to say that an exploration of the interior of the building does yield clues to the crime in terms of SP behaviors and possible motives, as well as the encounter with victim.

Since you responded to me with this post, I should make it clear that I do see a value to the discussion in knowing the general overall layout, and the details of the area in and around the entry and murder scene (ie, the SW corner of the building), so we can explore the murder events there with some rationality. I'm certainly not suggesting some aversion to mapping and detailing the pertinent areas.

That has been done already, of course.

In pondering your list of questions, I only see one that a detailed map of the entire building can really advance, which is: "if there is anything of value to take, where in the building is it? (like AV equipment, or the office)". And respectfully, maybe no one else sees a problem in figuring out and publishing online (1) an inventory of the church's valued items onsite, along with (2) a detailed map showing their location, as well as (3) a map of security cam locations and access points, (4) (and, to be honest, for no real purpose of true value other than idle curiosity), but respectfully I do. Maybe that's just me. ~shrug~

I do keep coming back to the thought that no matter how detailed we get a layout, that info is already well known by LE. We won't find the perp in the building, or advance the case by learning what is already well known.

Anyhow, I do need to limit my own future actions per my own sensitivities, but no reason for me to belabor this.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
In investigations that I've been a part of where burglary/vandalism resulted in a homicide, "burglary gone wrong", and where we haven't been able to immediately identify the perpetrator it does take a lot of time to get an arrest.
As most of you know it is a capital crime here in Texas to commit murder in the process of burglarizing an establishment. In these cases it takes anywhere from a week to a year before the perpetrator is arrested for burglarizing another establishment.
On a daily basis LE personnel assigned to investigate the capital crime is made aware of any and all arrests made where the original crime of burglary is made. If LE has a strong hit on a suspect, bond will try to be denied for a few days in order to verify certain evidence.
If the verification of evidence ranks high enough LE will work with the courts to set the bond amount very high so that the suspect stays incarcerated long enough for DNA, electronic, suspect relationships to others are established, etc. data to be analized.
Once LE is confident enough the case is presented to the DA.
If a suspect is incarcerated LE has time to get an 'air tight' case built....without regard to the public asking for answers. This process has been know to take several months. The most important factor for us is that a conviction is made.

(I'm referencing an earlier post of yours concerning your theory that SP was a random burglar who parked his car under the awning and Missy pulled up behind it) - in light of your LE experience, would you, if you were investigating this case, consider it at all unusual if:

1) a 30-minute long 'random burglary' showed extensive vandalism and B&E damage in all areas of this church building except the southwestern "L" section that Missy entered by? (Green in diagram below)



2) the burglar carried no box or bag during that 30 minutes of breaking, wandering, and exploring, nor did he pile up anything at any exit (including the SW one where you theorized he'd parked his car)? Nor was anything reported stolen/missing?

3) an interrupted, meandering burglar who stole or gathered no items in 30 minutes, yet who was frustrated and angry enough to attack Missy with multiple puncture wounds wouldn't also take 20 more seconds to grab her diamond ring, or at least reach into that open door of her truck for her purse or iPad on his way out the SW doors to his car parked right in front of hers?

I guess what I'm asking is, if you were investigating this murder in this church, what findings would make you consider that this might have been a targeted instead of a random murder - do you have any info which MPD does not that might change their assessment of this?

 

[ZVEDZA]

I'm about 90/10, leaning 90% that they know who it is and they are in the process of connecting all the pieces together and preparing their case to present it to the GJ. The fact that they are trained professionals with experts, resources, captured data, interviews, alibis, technology and more that we are not privy to makes it hard for me to say they don't have someone specific they are focused on. I also think in the beginning they offered more information and gave updates because they didn't have all the pieces they needed to pinpoint a suspect, but once they did pinpoint a suspect they stopped communicating information to the general public. Since this will likely be a death penalty case they need to protect everything they have....they can't take any risks that could potentially jeopardize what they have.
I have a tendency to sway my decision from day to day on this case, so this is JMO today and tomorrow it might be different.

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
Tippy Linn, The text in red font above is 100% accurate. The last statement in red font "Since this will likely be a death penalty case they need to protect everything they have....they can't take any risks that could potentially jeopardize what they have. " is extremely accurate and important to nth degree.

 

[CHUCKJ]

The downfall of this theory for me, is the suspect re-entering the building after supposedly moving his car??? If he went to move his car, because he saw MB's headlights as mentioned, then why wouldn,t he just circle the building in the opposite direction. I can't immagine thinking, "OMG, that person driving in got my LPN". At most, maybe just burn off. Sorry, but I agree with PIM, nothing about this says burglary.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Does anyone else notice a sudden change of posting (eg. ppl coming in with rumors and not-allowed social media) happening with almost predictable regularity on these threads whenever the discussion takes a new and interesting turn?

Sorry for sounding suspicious...but I am (after 30 threads of this).

 

[ZVEDZA]

(I'm referencing an earlier post of yours concerning your theory that SP was a random burglar who parked his car under the awning and Missy pulled up behind it) - in light of your LE experience, would you, if you were investigating this case, consider it at all unusual if:

1) a 30-minute long 'random burglary' showed extensive vandalism and B&E damage in all areas of this church building except the southwestern "L" section that Missy entered by? (Green in diagram below)

2) the burglar carried no box or bag during that 30 minutes of breaking, wandering, and exploring, nor did he pile up anything at any exit (including the SW one where you theorized he'd parked his car)? Nor was anything reported stolen/missing?

3) an interrupted, meandering burglar who stole or gathered no items in 30 minutes, yet who was frustrated and angry enough to attack Missy with multiple puncture wounds wouldn't also take 20 more seconds to grab her diamond ring, or at least reach into that open door of her truck for her purse or iPad on his way out the SW doors to his car parked right in front of hers?

I guess what I'm asking is, if you were investigating this murder in this church, what findings would make you consider that this might have been a targeted instead of a random murder - do you have any info which MPD does not that might change their assessment of this?

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
I think everything you stated is speculative. No person outside of MPD or any agency assisting in the investigation know what the current working theory is.

I don't think this was a random burglary at all. I think this criminal intended to break into this church. Sunday night break-ins at a church are common if the establishment being burglarized is a church. (even if it is common practice to remove the money, sometimes thieves get lucky)
I don't think anyone knows if the perp has a bag on their person or not. Just because it isn't in sight of the cameras doesn't mean one isn't present (in a pocket). Burglaries sometimes lasts for hours...sometimes things are stolen and sometimes not.
Folks also concentrate on the fact that the ring was still on her hand. Speculation from me: the perp 'freaked out' and got out in a hurry.


People also assume that burglary suspects park where the point of entry (break-in) occurred. Rarely is that the case. The point of exit is normally where the perp is parked.
Truth is, only the police know or can to a high degree ascertain where the perp entered, the path that was taken through the church and where the perp exited. I can also say that LE knows with absolute certainty where the murder took place and what took place during the altercation.

 

[ZVEDZA]

The downfall of this theory for me, is the suspect re-entering the building after supposedly moving his car??? If he went to move his car, because he saw MB's headlights as mentioned, then why wouldn,t he just circle the building in the opposite direction. I can't immagine thinking, "OMG, that person driving in got my LPN". At most, maybe just burn off. Sorry, but I agree with PIM, nothing about this says burglary.

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
This is the perfect example of why LE doesn't go public with information unless absolutely needed.
What makes you believe that the suspect "re-entered the building after moving his car"?

 

[Jax49]

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[PoirotryInMotion]

Disclaimer: The following is just my opinion and for entertainment purposes:
I think everything you stated is speculative. No person outside of MPD or any agency assisting in the investigation know what the current working theory is.

I don't think this was a random burglary at all. I think this criminal intended to break into this church. Sunday night break-ins at a church are common if the establishment being burglarized is a church. (even if it is common practice to remove the money, sometimes thieves get lucky)

MPD has stated that this crime is unusual for a burglary because:

1) the time (3:50 to 4:20 am)
2) nothing was reported stolen or missing

I can't argue with that; just wondering why another LE person might.

I don't think anyone knows if the perp has a bag on their person or not. Just because it isn't in sight of the cameras doesn't mean one isn't present (in a pocket). Burglaries sometimes lasts for hours...sometimes things are stolen and sometimes not.
Folks also concentrate on the fact that the ring was still on her hand. Speculation from me: the perp 'freaked out' and got out in a hurry.

I sensed from the MPD that they think this was unusual (that nothing was taken) if a burglary. Even if a burglar takes his time (as this one seemed to do), I'd think that as he meanders about, he'd put at least one item by the SW door you think he parked at (eg. a computer) so as not to have to retrace his steps (hmmm, what room had that laptop in it again??)

People also assume that burglary suspects park where the point of entry (break-in) occurred. Rarely is that the case. The point of exit is normally where the perp is parked.

I haven't assumed that in any of my posts, personally. I'd assume he'd put it not too far from where he'd load up. But more importantly, I'd assume he'd load up at the less visible rear of the building, especially if evidence shows he broke double glass doors back there.

Truth is, only the police know or can to a high degree ascertain where the perp entered, the path that was taken through the church and where the perp exited. I can also say that LE knows with absolute certainty where the murder took place and what took place during the altercation.

I'd agree with your first sentence, and am equally certain of your second one. They were the ones, after all, who processed the crime scene.

Thanks for your input in here and your reply...(I only wish you'd been able to address a few more of my points in your response.)