TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

[HEY YOU!]

Looking at this picture of the church, it is clear that campers parked in front of where Missy's truck was which is not really near where the road exits the property. The rear parking spaces are not even pictured on this shot but you can see the driveway that leads out and it is not necessarily visible to those parked near where they would enter the church that morning. More proof that perp had a lot of knowledge about the scene.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

SW part of building is where Missy was found. That is exactly the area where perp was on camera by the bulletin board, attempting to get into room to left of bulletin board with prybar and hammer briefly, sees camera, walks across view of camera without looking at it again. A statement was made that after that, everything went black. I believe that perp disabled camera at that point which is why it was not caught on camera. Perp somehow knew Missy's routine and knew that she had to enter main set of doors with key to come down hallway and open the doors where her truck was parked. This routine was the same whether rain or shine to open bathrooms for campers. If you look at the tape, there is a dark hallway to the right of the bulletin board. If Missy came in the main entrance, she passed that hallway on her way to open the doors near where her truck was parked. Perp had an easy way to get to her once she walked past that hallway. Perp would not have been able to hide within the area of the doors near her truck as it was all glass. I believe perp struck her with the initial weapon right near the bulletin board and finished the job in that general vicinity. Campers would be able to see through those doors and a body laying down may look like a 'rolled up rug' through 2 sets of glass doors. The fact that campers could see her and camera did not says that perp disabled it. We saw 2 views from cameras in that area. In my opinion, perp disabled the one looking at the bulletin board. That being said, I think perp disabled most cameras if not all prior to leaving the property. The item that we keep discussing from part of the video appears to be a video camera in my opinion. And the force that was necessary to remove the lock on the kitchen door was insane. Not a woman. They may have disabled the cameras but they may not have realized that all prior footage was captured in my opinion. I also believe perp came very early before the murder and busted windows & doors quickly and left to see if cops responded. When coast was clear after a while, they knew they had time until Missy arrived which accounts for the casual nature of the perp walking around slowly etc. Perp knew exactly what time MB would be there, perp knew where she would enter and which direction she would be headed, perp knew she may be carrying a weapon, perp knew she may recognize them and/or that there were cameras. Definitely not random, not a burglary, not a spree or serial killer. Narrows it down quite a bit.

It's a tempting consideration, but for the fact that LE said, when asked directly, that the interior cameras were not tampered with or disabled. :-/ And I can't figure out a good reason for them to lie about that.

One thing, too, is that, while perp would be in a glass door area if hiding in the vestibule, that area was still dark, even pitch black when Missy arrived. Wearing a black SWAT outfit, I'm not sure SP would be readily visible to Missy...although, personally, I do wonder if he waited until she went to the main door to slip in there.

Here is a screenshot I took from a nighttime newscast from the front of CC when it was dark outside (I think Arkansasmimi has a similar one)...no interior lights, not even much light in the parking lot. If someone were hiding in a vestibule, say behind a wheelchair, I'm not convinced it would be immediately apparent from the parking lot:

 

[GA_Peach]

Sw corner is pic where the tiled floor meets the plain floor and you can see the glass doors to the right which is where Missy's truck was parked.

Thank you. That's what I thought. I think that the other picture shows the NW corner.

 

[roadrunnermt]

This was an interesting Link found on those doors I saved http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-27&p=12620328#post12620328 This was during a discussion/debate about the metal kitchen door Link to doors http://www.locksmithledger.com/article/10774876/exit-device-basics):

Thanks! I wonder if the mechanism was not working correctly in that SW corner propped open door.

 

[roadrunnermt]

Good observation, and an inconsistency that has bugged me. Addressed it a bit in post 74 of this thread. It seems LE has said two different things. At the first presser, within hours of Missy's murder, Spann answered a reporter's question about if the perp was seen leaving the church. His answer consisted of several choppy, incomplete phrases (like he was thinking on his feet), saying in the jumble that SP was seen walking in the hallway, and that "presumably" Swatperp left the way he'd entered...but also saying they had "no evidence" of his leaving via specific door or window of the church.

At a later presser, LE said in their statement that there was no video of the attack or interaction between SP and Missy, nor was the perp seen on video after the attack.

So somehow we need to reconcile those seemingly conflicting statements, and the only thing I can figure is, Spann simply didn't know the answer when asked that during Q&A hours after she was murdered. But after reviewing the video footage, LE was able to say with more certainty the next time around that SP was "not seen" after the murder.

JMO, up for anyone's interpretation.

ETA: I think I see what you're referencing...Missy walking down the hall 'toward where the perp was' - to me that means she entered by way of the main, front (west) door, and walked down toward the SW vestibule, where she was attacked.

I agree with Spann fumbled his words way early into the investigation and presumed SP entered and exited via same methods until the received and viewed entire video surveillances, which are quite complex, i.e. multiple cameras, etc.

I did think MB entered the main west entrance until our discussions earlier and someone linked presser saying MB entered under awning. I don't really see an "awning" on west entrance.

 

[SandyQLS]

SW part of building is where Missy was found. That is exactly the area where perp was on camera by the bulletin board, attempting to get into room to left of bulletin board with prybar and hammer briefly, sees camera, walks across view of camera without looking at it again. A statement was made that after that, everything went black. I believe that perp disabled camera at that point which is why it was not caught on camera. Perp somehow knew Missy's routine and knew that she had to enter main set of doors with key to come down hallway and open the doors where her truck was parked. This routine was the same whether rain or shine to open bathrooms for campers. If you look at the tape, there is a dark hallway to the right of the bulletin board. If Missy came in the main entrance, she passed that hallway on her way to open the doors near where her truck was parked. Perp had an easy way to get to her once she walked past that hallway. Perp would not have been able to hide within the area of the doors near her truck as it was all glass. I believe perp struck her with the initial weapon right near the bulletin board and finished the job in that general vicinity. Campers would be able to see through those doors and a body laying down may look like a 'rolled up rug' through 2 sets of glass doors. The fact that campers could see her and camera did not says that perp disabled it. We saw 2 views from cameras in that area. In my opinion, perp disabled the one looking at the bulletin board. That being said, I think perp disabled most cameras if not all prior to leaving the property. The item that we keep discussing from part of the video appears to be a video camera in my opinion. And the force that was necessary to remove the lock on the kitchen door was insane. Not a woman. They may have disabled the cameras but they may not have realized that all prior footage was captured in my opinion. I also believe perp came very early before the murder and busted windows & doors quickly and left to see if cops responded. When coast was clear after a while, they knew they had time until Missy arrived which accounts for the casual nature of the perp walking around slowly etc. Perp knew exactly what time MB would be there, perp knew where she would enter and which direction she would be headed, perp knew she may be carrying a weapon, perp knew she may recognize them and/or that there were cameras. Definitely not random, not a burglary, not a spree or serial killer. Narrows it down quite a bit.

HEY YOU! Your posts are always well thought out, and I always read them. You and Mimi and others agree that you see two little hallways along that bulletin board wall in the main hallway, so both seem like good hiding places for perp. But as to the cameras, JMO they seem to be set in the ceiling based on some photos and also the angle down to what we see of SwatPerp, so the cameras are hard to reach. JMO I don't think SP disabled the cameras - at least not the main hallway. And we know that MB was captured on camera in the main hallway and MB walked out of camera range. Any action in the main hallway would have been on camera. JMO I think SP arrived somewhere outside of camera view, where he knew MB would walk to, and then the murder is off-camera.

MPD presser 4/18 transcript by Galadriel, page bottom of 8 to 9:

"Female Reporter: But do you know if it was –– if it happened very quickly,
if she arrived and…?

Captain John Spann: Pretty quick after she got there. Again, the timeline
from the boot camp members that were arriving there –– again, we know
the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around
4:18 [A.M.], again, approximate time. We see her in the video. She's
walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but
when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion,
and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have
no video of the assault actually taking place. "

As to the little hallway by the bulletin boards, why would MB go there? It's between Cub Corner and another room. And then how does SP escape without going into the main hallway to be picked up on the same camera that just recorded MB?

Now that restroom hallway seems like a place MB would go and perhaps encounter SP hiding there. In this theory, SP could escape by sliding along the wall behind the view of the cameras that face NW up the main hallway and SE up the Dutch Door hallway, and get out those vestibule doors quickly (why one interior door was propped open and this door is in view of the SE pointing camera, hit the fire bar and out?) without the main hallway camera from way down at the other NW end (points SW) detecting enough motion in the main hallway to activate.

Sorry, this post contains just too many word things!

 

[GA_Peach]

MPD presser 4/18 transcript by Galadriel, page bottom of 8 to 9:

"Female Reporter: But do you know if it was –– if it happened very quickly,
if she arrived and…?

Captain John Spann: Pretty quick after she got there. Again, the timeline
from the boot camp members that were arriving there –– again, we know
the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around
4:18 [A.M.], again, approximate time. We see her in the video. She's
walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but
when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion,
and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have
no video of the assault actually taking place. "

I wonder why the cameras in the SW corner never picked up MB. She was walking toward them so it doesn't make sense that she would "get out of range."

 

[SteveS]

My brain works a little differently then most, I'm afraid. The round face confuses me with the squareness of the journey SP took.

LOL okay, the verbal description is kinda hard to follow. A picture being worth 1000 words, and so on, here ya go - the 4 video cam scenes plotted on a map, in sequence, to illustrate how it might have been an initial lap being shown us, more or less.

 

[Deleted member 718]

I don't think Missy headed to the kitchen to get ice. Everyone I know brings their own water bottle to exercise class. It's kind of expected.

Plus, how do we know Missy even had a key to the church? Has LE said anything about this? I'd love to see a credible reference. tia

 

[GeeEm]

I understand and agree with you the importance of keeping the facts straight. It's definitely been challenging for me at times to remember what's factual and what's speculation/talk. However, what's the difference between shards of glass and broken glass? IMO shards is an adjective used to describe broken glass, so it's the same thing. Please correct if I'm wrong.

Here's a link Tippy

http://the-difference-between.com/fragments/shard

Personally it might be the terminology that one chooses to use

A. Shard is smaller portions of broken glasses
B. Broken glass could be like a broken object as in
a drinking glass etc

JMO

 

[GA_Peach]

I don't think Missy headed to the kitchen to get ice. Everyone I know brings their own water bottle to exercise class. It's kind of expected.

Plus, how do we know Missy even had a key to the church? Has LE said anything about this? I'd love to see a credible reference. tia

How else would she have entered the church?

 

[roadrunnermt]

Correct they are. That was my point the distinction between what was stated. This was a post by a Verified Attorney, who also stated My point was that is is not what was stated, and if someone who is just reading and sees this comment and from a Verified Attorney, they may tend to take that as factual statement. Its not, as that not what MPD stated. Not meaning anything towards anyone snarky, again just trying to keep it as factual as possible. So many opinions have been stated as facts through out these threads. JMHO This goes toward the convo about possible where puncture wounds came from...

It sure would be nice if we had recap of facts if anyone has a list you could bump.

What's it called when a case gets very spread out and lengthy that mods separate into category threads? Are we at that level yet?

 

[Batbrat]

Here's a revised map based on everyone's help with photos, etc. Mimi, I have also based the hallway behind the stage/auditorium area and the kitchen hall area on your diagram, which is probably more accurate as far as those particular areas. My map is basically just for my estimations of three of the camera placements. I don't know the actual full layout of the church.

 

[SandyQLS]

MPD presser 4/18 transcript by Galadriel, page bottom of 8 to 9:

"Female Reporter: But do you know if it was –– if it happened very quickly,
if she arrived and…?

Captain John Spann: Pretty quick after she got there. Again, the timeline
from the boot camp members that were arriving there –– again, we know
the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around
4:18 [A.M.], again, approximate time. We see her in the video. She's
walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but
when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion,
and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have
no video of the assault actually taking place. "

I wonder why the cameras in the SW corner never picked up MB. She was walking toward them so it doesn't make sense that she would "get out of range."

I don't understand - which camera do you think filmed MB if not the SW camera that faces down the main hall to the NW BatBrat's Camera Two? Whichever door she entered the building (main-west to turn right into main hallway would capture her face OR porte cochere to walk straight down main hallway would capture her back) - that same camera should be the one that filmed her. She was filmed in the same area as SP. (JMO and assuming LE meant to say main hallway and not Dutch door hallway.)

 

[roadrunnermt]

Now here is a project for someone. This is the type of lock on the NE (rear busted double doors) AND the Entry doors SW Covered Awning doors. Maybe if someone can figure out something about the mechanism of them, it may give use a little more info on the doors . Maybe not but anywho. Here is best zoom I could get while back JMHO, I can see it maybe unlocking the panic bars but not the doors from the outside to get in. ** So another thought/possibility. IF it did unlock the panic bars for all doors? then true the Suspect could have just walked out any other door. But since the way the Captain spoke, I thinking maybe it didn't unlock all the doors? Hope I explained my thought correct. If I understood from prior when we had a member who is an EMT said they have to be locked and unlocked. Anyone want to tackle the lock lol

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Looks like a deadbolt to me. From googling deadbolts appeared common IMO on doors with the fire pusharm doors. Considering this photo and deadbolt and LE stating she entered under awning, I bet this is where MB entered.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Here's a link Tippy

http://the-difference-between.com/fragments/shard

Personally it might be the terminology that one chooses to use

A. Shard is smaller portions of broken glasses
B. Broken glass could be like a broken object as in
a drinking glass etc

JMO

Thanks GeeEm. My understanding was correct. I was asking because after I read some of the comments I though maybe shards of glass was a type of glass, like tempered :giggle:

 

[GeeEm]

Now seeing the high quality of SFWA cameras, several of us believe those cameras would have provided LE with the clear view of the Nissan license plate. If I am correct, LE has commented only that the "driver has not come forward." Which makes it possible LE knows who owns the car, right?

My guess is that the wording of the LE as in NOT what they provided to the public. JMO

 

[SandyQLS]

Thanks SteveS and BatBrat! Those are absolutely lovely layouts that all posters can refer to and appreciate.

 

[GeeEm]

As for pants color, I think it's possible that the pants are not black but are instead a forest green camouflage pattern. The video just wasn't high quality enough to know for sure. And IIRC, LE has only referred to them as "dark".


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There's a certain place the SP walks that I thought the pants were camouflaged as well. After SP turns up to the hallway towards the infant door(the one that opens up top and the bottom)is where I thought I seen a pattern, could have been the light reflecting, but yes I agree. Good Catch cause now I don't feel bad thinking that.

 

[GeeEm]

BBM

That's why it is possible the license plate was tempered with/ spray blocked IMO.

-Nin

Agree Nin but where did the car go for 2+ hours if this was the SP. I know you didn't say that I just thought I'd ask lol

Thanks for all the work you do 😀