TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

[Montjoy]

Yeah that is what I take from it too.

While 'independent' may make one think of a singular source, I'm curious why 'sources' doesn't suggest more than one to you?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Can you put the list out there again? I'd appreciate that!

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...8-Apr-2016-Media-amp-Timeline-*NO-DISCUSSION*

 

[Montjoy]

I thought independent sources meant sources not connected to the Bevers.

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Yes, typically it means sources that are disinterested -- so, not a family member, friend, business partner. Long story short, an independent source means someone who has no reason to lie.

 

[TeaTime]

I think the quote was "verified through independent sources" and the fact that 'source' is plural tells me, and anyone who cares to read it, that there was more than ONE source. But, that is just how I was taught to read English, my first language. It is up to the reader to decide if 'sources' means a single source but the reader would be wrong in so doing, IMHO.

 

[ardenmost]

Yeah that is what I take from it too.

Yeah, independent source could be singular, or plural.

 

[GA_Peach]

Can you put the list out there again? I'd appreciate that!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-10&p=12528313#post12528313
https://www.scribd.com/doc/311723138/ATT-Warrant-Dated-April-25

 

[Deleted member 172065]

PERP SEEN LEAVING per Capt John Spann--first MPD press conference
Reporter: Was he seen fleeing. Was he seen after the assault?
Spann: Again we see him walking down one of the hallways but presumably he went out the way he came in--which was through a metal door that had a glass window, which was broken out...

 

[GeeEm]

Are you familiar with all of the people listed in the SWs? There is speculation about why a certain female is listed.

Yes very familiar with the SW list. I'm pretty certain Who you are referring too but I thought she was a friend of the family? Been on this case since it started but didn't post until later. I could be totally wrong.

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[TeaTime]

Yeah, independent source could be singular, or plural.

But independent sources could not.

 

[wgram]

While 'independent' may make one think of a singular source, I'm curious why 'sources' doesn't suggest more than one to you?

Sorry, I didn't phrase my feelings right. But to the actual comment to me it means alibi(s) plural not more than one per alibi. There were more than one alibi and to say they were verified by independent sources means all the alibis.

ALSO I edited my op because I wanted to clarify what I was saying. But
to me it ALSO means the alibis were not confirmed by receipts, or tickets...but buy an individual. JMO

 

[GeeEm]

I agree, I don't think she carried a gun on that morning. I think SP might have though...jmo

I think SwatPerp carried one and used it that morning much to my dismay. JMO

 

[GA_Peach]

I am involved in the running/fitness world, and there are plenty of options to conceal carry in workout clothes. I have no idea if MB was carrying that morning, but if she wanted to, she had options.

 

[TSA2016]

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[rodee34]

I agree, I don't think she carried a gun on that morning. I think SP might have though...jmo

I don't know where ya'll live.. but I carry mine everywhere. When I take the dogs out to pee, I have my flashlight and pistol (mostly for coyotes and bobcats.)

I don't even know that MB carried.. she may not have. But mine is in my pants even if I'm coming out of the grocery store at night. ESPECIALLY now that there is a killer out there! If I'm walking into a vacant building at 4:20 am.. you can bet I'd have it on me, workout clothes or not. If someone "ambushed" me... it wouldn't do me any good.. I know. I am not saying MB had one.. but somebody did. IMO

 

[SKresearch]

I don't think Missy headed to the kitchen to get ice. Everyone I know brings their own water bottle to exercise class. It's kind of expected.

Plus, how do we know Missy even had a key to the church? Has LE said anything about this? I'd love to see a credible reference. tia

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[cfreyja23]

PERP SEEN LEAVING per Capt John Spann--first MPD press conference
Reporter: Was he seen fleeing. Was he seen after the assault?
Spann: Again we see him walking down one of the hallways but presumably he went out the way he came in--which was through a metal door that had a glass window, which was broken out...

I had often considered that maybe the scene where s/he was touching the wall was after the murder, and that the motion was to steady her/himself, as a result of coming down off of adrenaline.

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't know where ya'll live.. but I carry mine everywhere. When I take the dogs out to pee, I have my flashlight and pistol (mostly for coyotes and bobcats.)

I don't even know that MB carried.. she may not have. But mine is in my pants even if I'm coming out of the grocery store at night. ESPECIALLY now that there is a killer out there! If I'm walking into a vacant building at 4:20 am.. you can bet I'd have it on me, workout clothes or not. If someone "ambushed" me... it wouldn't do me any good.. I know. I am not saying MB had one.. but somebody did. IMO

Why do you say that?

 

[WannaBDetective]

Just re-watched the MPD video that runs 2:27.
https://youtu.be/ePS8TJ6UAqY

1) I noticed at :30 and again at 1:07 that the SP is wearing a white shirt-one with shirt tails it appears.

2) it appears to me that either the perp takes the hammer out of the room that gets opened just before :30 OR that's when the shirt gets pulled out by the SP taking the hammer out of a pocket.

3) in the last moments of the video we see the SP breaking a window to enter a room. There is a door open further down the hallway but I can't tell what hallway this is. Can anybody help with that?

General construction rules. If it is a door with a window, that is generally one where security is an issue. i.e. Kids often inside. So parents and supervisors can see inside without opening the door (discouraging inappropriate touching of any kind). Or classrooms, where you want to be able to see inside without having to open the door. Generally, there is no code that requires them but your insurance company will want them though. And IF you have them, they have to be safety glass (tempered/wire mess). If I recall, the size of the window is not codified.


An auditorium will generally have doors with no windows (inside and out). Done right, they will have a vestibule going into the auditorium that has two solid doors. Reason: The hallway is flooded with ambient light. So in theory, if church or the event is in session, you'd walk into the vestibule and slip into the auditorium (or let in by an usher). IF you DO NOT do it this way (i.e. if you have windowed doors or just one door). EVERY TIME someone comes in to the auditorium, the auditorium will flood with the ambient light, creating huge distractions every time. From their website, you will see they have projectors and screens. For that to work effectively, you've got to keep the auditorium sufficiently dark.

Final note. Auditorium doors are generally solid-core. (as opposed to classrooms, nurseries, et al) again, because you want to keep the hallway noise out of the auditorium. Hollow-core would let a lot of noise into the "big" room.

Application. If you see SP struggle to breakthrough a door, that is probably solid-core. If he/she breaks it pretty easily with a hammer. That's generally going to be a hollow core (glued veneer).

 

[SKresearch]

I had often considered that maybe the scene where s/he was touching the wall was after the murder, and that the motion was to steady her/himself, as a result of coming down off of adrenaline.

It seems to me:
It was while perp was still, wandering around (before the murder),
and that perp still seems the same, (seemingly) calm, cool, and collected.

And that, as person was walking, by the wall,
the person (lightly) drug their fingers (of the one hand, the one that was, close to the wall),
, as they were walking by it.

(It didn't seem to me, at all, like they were doing that to: steady, themself.)

It seemed to me it was something similar to, "boredom"
(while 'waiting' on her to get there.)

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From the time this person was "first seen" on the surveillance camera,
until the time she was seen on the surveillance camera,

was about "28 minutes".

(That isn't a very long time,
but when you are "waiting" for someone to arrive,
each 'minute' seems to tick by pretty slowly.)

(From what I have seen of the video,
this is how this person spent some of their 'time', while "waiting", for her to arrive):

- pryed open a door (or two)
(Seems to be, pre- "staging".) (Or is that, "more", pre-"staging")

- did a, fingers-drag down the wall (as they were walking, near the wall)

(To me, this person seems to be, pretty much "bored" - while "waiting")

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(One more thing):

What if "bored",
played a part in "why" this person did this case, to begin with.

(Haven't you seen some cases in which that seemed to be one of, the different factors, of it?
I sure have. Bored, looking for some 'excitement'.)

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You know, until I at least "know" about the injuries done to this girl (etc.) (and the full-details, of it all),
I am not going to just assume, that this person was "angry".

For all I know, "angry"/"angry", at this person,
may not have been an element in this case.

For example, what if it was more about:
looking for some "excitement"
/ and wanting to play a "cat & mouse game" with
"POLICE"
(same thing that is stated on that vest they are wearing.)

(What if this was just a seen, "opportunity".) (It can still be a target. But an "opportune" one.)

(What if this is more about:
Seeing if you can do a "perfect murder".)

(Do a murder, see if you can get away with it.) (Or, "I'm so smart, I think I can.")

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(Even if this person was "angry" with her)

If they "staged" this case, to try to make it "look like",
she walked in on a "burglary",
why would they come across on the surveillance camera (video), as,
looking "angry".

(Why would a "burglar",
look "angry".)

(If the person looks/acts, "angry",
that might defeat the whole purpose of, "staging" it to "look like" a burglary.)

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Also, "if" they were "angry" with her,
(would they actually be, "angry", at this point,
or actually be "tickled pink",
because they know, they are fixing to get rid of her. They are going to kill her.)

 

[rodee34]

Why do you say that?

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