TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #30

[DesiredJustice]

Anyone know who the gentleman was that was in regular work-like clothes assisting to repair the doors and board up the broken glass? Does he work at the church?

 

[SandyQLS]

For me it would make sense if the perp did know the murder wasn't kept on video. Perp can try to claim to be an intruder only and not a murderer. For what did he stage the burglary otherwise?

I agree with you. We know MB was captured on camera walking down the main hallway toward the suspect location, and then she walks out of camera range and that camera shuts off. The SP could have hidden in the sanctuary doors alcove (next to Holy Grounds) and leapt out and attacked her - but then it isn't going to look like an "interrupted burglary" and the main hallway camera would have caught the action. Same thing if SP leapt out of either end of the southside hallway into the main hallway. SP needed the element of surprise - but he also needed it to look like "interrupted burglary". I have considered whether SP even cared if the murder was on camera, and I think Yes he did: SP did not want the murder on video. And I agree with other poster about a defense attorney floating the "only a burglar not a murderer" theory.

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Photo showing breached door still wearing its exterior panic hardware:



Photos showing 2-3" hole poked and use of forked end to open panic bar:





ETA: these are not photos of CC door breaching (if anyone might think that) - just a continuation of my previous post.

 

[ocgrad]

I'm undecided as to whether or not this murderer knew about the cameras or was just very lucky. Did they know the outside cameras worked and it was safe for them to drive into the parking lot? Was the purpose of the SWAT gear to give their victim enough of a pause to allow them to get close enough to hit her? Or also to keep their identity from the camera?

If they knew about the camera's the killer had to have been there at one time or another, possibly at Sunday services, to note where the cameras were located. (As I stated before, if I wasn't a member and I was planning this I would visit during Easter services when I could be in among a maximum number of persons. And non-members would probably draw the least amount of attention.) And who in the church knew the outside cameras were not working or was it common knowledge?

If they planned it ahead of time, no matter how well they did, the killer is going to be stressed wondering what they forgot or missed.

Does anyone know if the outside cameras are on all sides of the building? Just thinking since the inside was not well covered maybe the outside also. It does seem like someone planning this would have been inside the church, recently enough for things to be the same but not so recent as for them to still be on video.

 

[cfreyja23]

Imagine if the MMA fighter had nothing to do with this. What TERRIBLE luck for him. If he's not involved I really hope he is able to work things out with wife and she forgives him. They have a beautiful family. Indirectly it may have played a part, without his involvement at all, if for instance RB discovered her relationship with him, etc but if the fighter CW really had nothing other than that to do with the crime itself, man what BAD luck! He may have just been messaging her initially because she's listed as a personal trainer on LI and he was training for that big fight in May. Maybe flirting just came naturally.

I don't think it's luck, good or bad. When you engage in "intimate" conversations outside of your marriage, you are always taking a risk that your spouse might find out. His wife could easily have found out somewhere down the line anyway just by looking at his computer history. Whether it constitutes an affair would be up to his wife. Some people don't think flirting online is cheating.

 

[observation]

Okay- here are some updates from Cags poll:
31 male SP
14 female SP
** many more votes for male than our last vote. I may have moved to male SP myself after Batbrat's awesome video recreation.
47- MB was targeted
3- interrupted burglary
3 non-target (personal).
I weigh everyone's awesome feedback here and have to admit, my theories are in the dust. This in all likelihood may have been a paid hit on MB life. So sad. What a case we have here. I thought it may have been before a GJ before also. Now, feeling doubtful of same. JMO


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[x_files]

I agree with you. We know MB was captured on camera walking down the main hallway toward the suspect location, and then she walks out of camera range and that camera shuts off. The SP could have hidden in the sanctuary doors alcove (next to Holy Grounds) and leapt out and attacked her - but then it isn't going to look like an "interrupted burglary" and the main hallway camera would have caught the action. Same thing if SP leapt out of either end of the southside hallway into the main hallway. SP needed the element of surprise - but he also need it to look like "interrupted burglary". I have considered whether SP even cared if the murder was on camera, and I think Yes he did: SP did not want the murder on video. And I agree with other poster about a defense attorney floating the "only a burglar not a murderer" theory.

I've heard some ludicrous defenses from attorneys that actually worked! crazy.
Crime NOT on camera cannot prove the SWAT perp actually did it, and how he did it surprise or lay in waiting/ambush mode.
This was well thought out and researched. Would love to see the perp's computer browser history!

 

[liz b.]

What would be a reason for wanting to "make it look like a staged burglary " ? was the SP hired by someone ? Or was he someone known to MB ? In any case that 'staged burglary", ( if it was that ) didn't even fool posters on crime message boards, let alone seasoned investigators...puzzling...

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

Respectfully, to avoid later misunderstanding, it should be mentioned that these are NOT pics of any of the doors at CCoC.

Yes, thanks. This was a continuation of a post I made just a couple posts above it - referencing firefighter videos I'd watched this morning and how different their breaching technique was. (Limit of 5 photos per post.) I'll go back and edit to add that (if not too late).

 

[x_files]

What would be a reason for wanting to "make it look like a staged burglary " ? was the SP hired by someone ? Or was he someone known to MB ? In any case that 'staged burglary", ( if it was that ) didn't even fool posters on crime message boards, let alone seasoned investigators...puzzling...

Might fool a jury, think OJ Simpson, and Casey Anthony.

 

[Cannonball3804]

OUT-OF-TOWNERS
its crazy how criminals on video don't get caught. Someone robbed a drug store (in my area) last year. It was all on video. The pharmacists gave the perp the requested drugs, the perp disappeared, and never got caught. I think the crimes where they don't get caught are out-of-town perps. A future crime (with the perp getting in the data system) could eventually link them, as a LE person mentioned up thread.

Yeah, I mentioned the other day that on Easter in Midlothian, they carjacked an SUV at 2 in the afternoon. Video captured the two guys plus the car that dropped them off. They haven't been caught either... And they stole a CAR.


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[GA_Peach]

Even if this was a paid hit, somebody very close to MB was involved in the planning of this. While the actual killing may have been outsourced, the main planner knew MB's daily CG routine. I don't think that anything was left to chance. Somebody close to MB knows something. JMO

 

[Deleted member 172065]

PIM, I absolutely love your post from last night. While scenario 3 seems to be a stretch (and I know you said you were just expanding your mind), you do bring up a good point about FFs. A FF would definitely have the skill set to break in to a building... even if that means destroying an external lock set.

I also agree with the posters who have stated that SP seems to have a thorough knowledge of the church. It's not luck that SP avoided detection outside and then attacked MB off-camera. Who would have current knowledge about all of the cameras? Does anyone know how to check to see if CCoC had a recent safety inspection? A rogue police officer/corrupt FF is still on the table. JMO

GummyWorms, I have not wavered one bit from this being a personal and targeted attack. If this was a rogue LEO/corrupt FF, this was someone who had been wronged by MB or who was fearful of being caught in some unsavory activity.

I don't think perp had to know about the inside cameras of the church (before the breakin). In fact he wasn't worried about being caught on camera, except for the murder. I do think with the dark and stormy night, he didn't worry about being caught on the outside cameras, either. He musta known that outside cameras are unpredictable in bad weather (SWFA).

 

[debbiegarcia36]

To me, the next question to ask is how did SP know about the cameras and where to enter? It seems to indicate a specific knowledge about this church and its workings..I don't know offhand, but that all is where I would look...

OR what if the SP already had a key? Smashed the doors and did damage as a red herring? The card slot (which the card is a key imho) might keep track of time of entry swipes hence the need to break in the kitchen door..

Agree that it is someone MB knows either through the church, through CG or through her connection to fitness training, etc. IMO only I don't think SP had a key --- A lot of effort to break open kitchen door.

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[PibblePal]

This may obviously be a given, but I sure would like to view what LE viewed on the cameras during that Blood Drive at CC the day before...

 

[11frogs]

What would be a reason for wanting to "make it look like a staged burglary " ? was the SP hired by someone ? Or was he someone known to MB ? In any case that 'staged burglary", ( if it was that ) didn't even fool posters on crime message boards, let alone seasoned investigators...puzzling...

To make LE think botched burglary and throw off suspicion of being a targeted hit. LE doesn't say possible targeted hit for at least 8 hours or so. This gives SP(s) some much needed time..

 

[SandyQLS]

Excellent points about how a burglar would operate. But I just what to remind everybody that at that first interview BB gave in front of his house on Tuesday the 18th (IIRC), he said that he did not believe she was targeted.
Meanwhile, observers including professional LE, amateur sleuths and reporters said no way this was random.
And it was at the bloody shirt interview with RB that he came out and said that now he believes she was targeted.
Why does it matter? IMO, it matters because the perp wanted it to look like a burglary gone wrong,. But when popular opinion said it was not that, BB had to agree. Why? Because IMO, his interests are in line with the perp's. IMO, MOO.

Thank you for this post.

4:20AM - MB enters CoC, murder
5:10AM - MPD arrives, secures scene
12:00noon - MPD releases CoC scene
11:54AM - Fox4 story begins, updates cont. to be added to 9:47PM
3:15PM - BB arrives home by car from Miss. after a 7-8 hour drive, speaks to press
afternoon - MPD presser, Chief Smith opens with "Good afternoon."

The word "targeted" is already used by a reporter on page 3 of the 4/18 afternoon presser in a question to the Chief, who explains it is unusual that nothing was taken in a burglary.

The word "targeted" was repeated in the Fox4 story: "...One investigator agreed the murder certainly has elements of a targeted attack but aren't ruling out an interrupted burglary. Several doors were breached at the church but nothing was found missing. ..."
http://www.fox4news.com/news/125249531-story

Just recapping that the question of "targetted" occurs the very first day within hours of the murder because of the circumstances of the murder...

The white shirt with dog blood was taken to a dry cleaners on 4/22, four days after the murder per receipt in SW. The SW for it was issued the same evening 4/22 and returned to the Clerk on 4/27. It was on Wed. April 27 when the SW was publicized that RB/BB spoke to the press in front of MPD per WFAA. http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/source-bevers-family-says-bloodied-shirt-was-from-dog-fight/156468964

Why did MB's friend immediately think of the creepy LI message but BB thought burglary?
Why did Garcia the gym owner think of how MB was acting differently before, but BB thought burglary?
Why is it that the press and MPD had started questioning if this was targetted, not random and not burglary, within hours the first day, but BB thought burglary?
Why is it that MT relates that BB "...he said ‘I’ve told her, I’ve told her she’s got to be careful.’ He was just so afraid something would happen,” ..." (dfw.cbslocal.com, direct quote) and then BB assumes a botched burglary instead of the creepy LI message (if he even knew) or any other cause? What is this something to be so afraid about? A burglary?

Someone else was asking, but I will add this here regarding burglaries at the CoC. Quoting Galadriel's transcript of the MPD presser 4/18 (pdf in media thread):

"Female Reporter: Just [unintelligible 00:11:08] burglary scenario, have
you guys had many calls there for burglaries at all or ever?

Captain John Spann: No, we did look at that. I don't show any type of
alarm calls or anything of that nature at that location, at least in the last
eight to 12 months. I didn't pull up anything --"

 

[liz b.]

To make LE think botched burglary and throw off suspicion of being a targeted hit. LE doesn't say possible targeted hit for at least 8 hours or so. This gives SP(s) some much needed time..

8 hours to do what ? TIA

 

[PoirotryInMotion]

But Captain said he saw the perp walking down the hallway leaving, so it seems it was still working after the attack.

Captain Spann said perp was seen "walking down the hallway" after the attack, and Spann assumed he was leaving the same way he came in.

It really is confusing, because there are actually two different responses made by the MPD about whether the perp was seen or not after the attack. We talked about this a lot at the beginning of this thread, in fact (see page 5). In the first presser - the day of her murder - Spann seemed to say perp was seen "walking down the hallway" and said that presumably SP left the same way he entered. But in the same breath he admitted they weren't actually sure of the point of exit--there was "no evidence." Then later on there were firm MPD statements that 1) there was no video of the attack or any interaction between MB and SP, and 2) there was no video of SP after the attack. In 30 threads we haven't been able to resolve those conflicting statements, except to acknowledge that we are of split opinion concerning if SP was seen going anywhere after the attack.

At the initial 4/18 press conference, as Spann fielded reporters' questions on this, he spoke in incomplete phrases, and said "and again" referencing his previous response -- which was that they were still putting together and trying to order all the footage they'd just gotten hold of that same day. So, just my take (expressed on page 5 of this thread), but it's possible Spann wasn't as sure on the day of her murder as he is now concerning whether or not there is footage of SP after the attack. IOW, (my interpretation), answering that SP was seen walking the hallway, but due to still ordering the clips, couldn't be sure if that was before or after the murder, nor was there any "evidence" as to his exit (only a presumption).

If you study the highlighted portion in the screenshot below of the 4/18 press conference transcription by WS member Galadriel, you can see Spann's answers in context to the media questions. To me it appeared to be a very speculative response (which was understandable for the day of the murder). So in the end, until we're told the confirming facts, it appears to boil down to personal opinion on how each of us wants to reconcile the conflicting statements:



Source: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=95546&d=1464467808

 

[x_files]

Even if this was a paid hit, somebody very close to MB was involved in the planning of this. While the actual killing may have been outsourced, the main planner knew MB's daily CG routine. I don't think that anything was left to chance. Somebody close to MB knows something. JMO

absolutely agreed and not just following public FB posts.