TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #32

[SKresearch]

Long time lurker here--sorry if my question's already been answered somewhere. What do you think SP did with the tactical gear afterwards? Buried it? Do you think he/she found a dumpster without cameras nearby? Is that type of clothing very easy to burn? Or is it stashed in someone's house/vehicle?

I believe the vest (said "Police") and helmet were, more than likely, kept. (If either one of those things had blood on it, I believe it could more than likely be washed off.)
I believe the person would want to keep the vest and helmet.

In regard to the pants, and shoes/boots, that might be a different story. (If either one of those had blood on it, I'm not sure whether or not they would come clean.)
(And also, I doubt they would be that partial to, the pants and shoes/boots.) (If have to throw them away, so be it.)

However, I think they would be partial to, that vest (said "Police") and helmet. (I don't think the person would want to throw those away.)

 

[TeaTime]

To my knowledge, LE did not say she walked until out of range. Only that they had her on video entering and heading towards where they presume the suspect was by analyzing all the video. MB could have simply walked through the double doors and took a left into the bathroom.

I think bathroom too.

 

[SteveS]

Wouldn't P3 be classified as NW part of the building rather than SW? Being found in the auditorium would make sense with the relatively short crime scene clean up we know existed as well as the quote that the perp attempted clean up. I don't recall the specific words to the clean up but perp isn't mentioned as being seen on camera attempting to clean up but if perp had access to kitchen and auditorium perp could have attempted cleanup of at least foot prints.

P3 would be in the NW quadrant. But that's only a proposed spot for perp to have been lurking, from which to initiate an attack, and nothing more.

Remember
1 LE hasn't said anything about where the attack began. The implication is somewhere in or off the main (ie, west side) hallway, but that's all we have, an implication or perhaps their educated guess.
2 Nor have they said that anything about where MB was killed.
3 All we have is where her body was found, which was in "the southwest corner of the interior of the building."

PS - While I've seen it conjectured here and there, I've not seen any factual evidence or proof that perp did any clean up.

 

[SKresearch]

I took the still-shot, the one where the perp is looking directly into the camera, and enlarged it/zoomed-in to it.
That is all I did to it, and I used Irfanview.
I cannot get it any clearer than this, and of course, 'enlarging' it, messes up the pixels. But here it is.
(This looks like a "male", to me.)

 

[SteveS]

Jethro "MPD stated on their Facebook, in response to a question about releasing more video, that they had released all of the video they had of SP"

I may be mistaken, but my understanding from both pressers and FB items is that MPD has said they do have more video of SP doing similar stuff, but that "they had released all of the video they had of SP" that they intend to release.

Side note - if you'll note the quote below from LE, it would seem to indicate that your proposed location is too far away, as she was found somewhere in the vicinity of "the main hallway.

"CHUCKJ "To my knowledge, LE did not say she walked until out of range. Only that they had her on video entering and heading towards where they presume the suspect was by analyzing all the video. MB could have simply walked through the double doors and took a left into the bathroom."

Actually, they did. Sorry. LE said almost exactly what I've been outlining in map form, on the path of MB. Here is their wording, speaking of MB's entry into the church:
" ...again we know the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around 4:18, again approximate time, we see her in the video. She's walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have no video of the assault actually taking place." https://youtu.be/XNLtwTK2hq8

We know ...
1 Entering at SW
2 Walking "down the main hallway" - must be the west side hallway, walking north at least some distance from where she entered
3 She gets out of range of camera/it doesn't pick up the motion - clearly indicating she gets somewhere far enough up that hallway that cam (c2) no longer sees her motion
4 And, she ends up in that general vicinity, either in the hall (which has the issue of the cam and movement, perhaps) or on the other side of a wall on one side or the other ...you can see how the proposed end of the camera's view of MB's walk, blue arrow, is in the general vicinity of the X locations just on the other side of one wall or another

 

[Cannonball3804]

Since a number of people were chiming in with their theories of where Missy was killed, I will offer mine. MPD has said that there was a lot of glass around the body. I believe that Missy was killed in the South hallway somewhere along a glass walled room (likely the library).

If you could stand in front of it, you would see that it would not look much different than the glass and glass doors you see at the Southwest vestibule that you see in the MPD videos where SP is in that South hall.

It looks like it is far down that hall but it begins 29 feet down that hall. It is 18 feet wide and all but 3 feet of that is still in what would technically be the Southwest of the building. Right at where the glass doors are located is the limit for the camera looking East down towards there to detect motion - that can be seen when SP first appears when coming back down (West) that hall. Beyond that point SP cannot be seen from that camera.

From the other side (South hall viewing West) there should be a camera that would be positioned looking west and would likely be positioned much like the camera we see in the opening sequence of the long MPD video which is looking West in the North hallway. Just remember everything would be flipped e.g. instead of being mounted left of center in the hall and angled right this one would be mounted right of center and angled left. The camera in the North hall can only detect motion about 35 feet up the north hall (about 50 feet from that camera). So if the camera on the South hall looking west is similarly configured it too would only detect motion about 35 feet or so down the hall toward the west. That would leave a roughly 10-15 foot blind spot in the middle of the hall.

Because MPD stated on their Facebook, in response to a question about releasing more video, that they had released all of the video they had of SP I believe the blind spot to be larger, specifically on the right side of the South hall because of those open doors.

I suspect she was killed somewhere along that glass wall. And there is no doubt there is a lot of glass there.

You are doing some great analysis here.

I did want to point out that LE has not released all video that they have of the perp. They've just released all the video that they INTEND to release. There is more, as confirmed in press conference by assistant chief Johnson.


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[janesmith787]

Hi Jane - I am also local and not saying what you were told is not true but I have heard from locals that know 2 of the campers and story is different. What I can say is that these campers were subjected to a horrific scene. However, they found her will be with them forever and no one should have to deal with that the rest of their lives . My heart goes out to them.

That just made me have a thought. We have all been asking why in the church? Was there a significance? Now maybe this was stated in a very early thread but here goes: murderer wanted MB found by CG members (no matter who they were) to send a message of distaste for CG. We know at least 2 people who have made public statements (all be it round about ways) to say they did not like CG and that It had taken over MBs life.

Yes, they told me it was horrific whic is why I didn't want to give details. I should have clarified, CPR wouldn't have helped, but they still tried from what I was told. I could have been misinformed, but it was too gruesome to give other info. I have prayed for those campers as well as MB family and will continue to do so. No matter who/what/why, it's awful she was killed.

 

[CHUCKJ]

Hi Jane - I am also local and not saying what you were told is not true but I have heard from locals that know 2 of the campers and story is different. What I can say is that these campers were subjected to a horrific scene. However, they found her will be with them forever and no one should have to deal with that the rest of their lives . My heart goes out to them.

That just made me have a thought. We have all been asking why in the church? Was there a significance? Now maybe this was stated in a very early thread but here goes: murderer wanted MB found by CG members (no matter who they were) to send a message of distaste for CG. We know at least 2 people who have made public statements (all be it round about ways) to say they did not like CG and that It had taken over MBs life.

I've see several comments throughout these threads of locals that have talked directly to people who know the campers that found MB. Can someone just ask where she was found. Also, not to be morbid, but a full description of injuries, or any additional details would be helpfull in accessing the state of mind of the suspect.

 

[CHUCKJ]

I've see several comments throughout these threads of locals that have talked directly to people who know the campers that found MB. Can someone just ask where she was found. Also, not to be morbid, but a full description of injuries, or any additional details would be helpfull in accessing the state of mind of the suspect.

Just to clarify: Knowing exactly how she was murdered, and the extent of the injuries could change the catagory of suspects looked at all togeather. Are we looking at a Houston Texas riverbottom redneck type gal, who just found out youve been sleeping with her husband, in witch case most likeley she would have advertized that she done the deed after the fact, or someone that just wanted you gone for any variety of non personal reasons.

How the body was left makes all the differance. Its like when PD finds a body of someone whos arms have been folded, or covered (as in tucked in), Its almost always an indication of the murder being someone close to the victim. When a body is mutilated, it usually indicates a level of extreme anger, often inward anger. Somone having been betrayed. Someone how feels as though they may get releife if you are no longer in this world. The condition of the body will often tell a lot. There is no way to put it lightly, but if someone smacks someone repeatedly in the face with a bat, it says something way different that if a murder removes teeth or takes a trophy of some kind, as in the case of many serial killers. Sorry, but there is really no way around saying it this way. It's really a matter of do we all want to see this case solved, and if so then being squeamish is not going to help.

 

[janesmith787]

I didn't want to know the specific details personally and the person who told me said some details were left out because it was so traumatic. Yes, I want the case solved and it's interesting to me to read/comment on here, but I believe MPD has this case under control and knows who did it, but are trying to nail down an airtight case. JMO

 

[CorallaroC]

I didn't want to know the specific details personally and the person who told me said some details were left out because it was so traumatic. Yes, I want the case solved and it's interesting to me to read/comment on here, but I believe MPD has this case under control and knows who did it, but are trying to nail down an airtight case. JMO

THANK YOU for your thoughtful reply. I, along with many others I'm sure, appreciate and understand where you are coming from. I also believe that MPD has the case under control and diligently working toward an arrest and conviction of the murderer. Meantime, the public - including US here at WS just need to be patient and have confidence in the official investigative process. JMO

 

[DesiredJustice]

She may not have been killed, where she was found. I bet she was moved! All MO

-Nin

I think that's possible too...or she tried to get away after first being attacked and ended up by the doors trying to escape to the outside. I can hardly see SP running and catching up with her in the get-up he/she could barely walk in tho.

 

[Cannonball3804]

I didn't want to know the specific details personally and the person who told me said some details were left out because it was so traumatic. Yes, I want the case solved and it's interesting to me to read/comment on here, but I believe MPD has this case under control and knows who did it, but are trying to nail down an airtight case. JMO

They've said pretty strongly that they do not have a suspect, or a motive. They've trended from botched B&E to targeted and then back to B&E.

People keep saying that LE has this all figured out. LE keeps saying they don't. I know we hope they're committing subterfuge for MB's sake. But no evidence really that they are.


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[Hatfield]

I knew it!!! I posted that. That's two Websleuthsers famous. ����

Thanks Peachykeen

That's incredible. Good job to all who worked on those images. I saw other discussion thinking it may be a woman and now I agree too. Looks just like a woman . I may be wrong of course but those eyes sure look femaile to me.

Amazing job to everyone who worked on the images. thank you.

I never would have guessed a woman when I first read about the case and saw video the first time.

 

[janesmith787]

All JMO, but they owe us nothing in regards to updates on the case. I won't argue my opinion vs. others, but I truly believe if they thought the public wasn't safe, we would know. I don't think you have that many teams involved and have no clue. Also, I don't think they're going to tip their hand to let the perp know they're on to them. I could be wrong, and own that, but that's been my gut feel all along. I think it was personal.

 

[CHUCKJ]

I didn't want to know the specific details personally and the person who told me said some details were left out because it was so traumatic. Yes, I want the case solved and it's interesting to me to read/comment on here, but I believe MPD has this case under control and knows who did it, but are trying to nail down an airtight case. JMO

Got it. didn't mean to imply that you didn't or that the athorities will not, just that every detail brought to the publics attention may spark somthing in someone that knows the suspect. I don't live in the area, nor do I know any of the participants or surrounding, and it is doubtful that I will solve this case, but I think honest conversation here may leak out into the community there and could have an impact. Also, it couldn't hurt for you or someone else here who has access to locals who may know more than we do to put their feelers out about where the body was found.

That being said, my opinion is that LE does not have a clue who the suspect is and is at a dead end without further evidence, or a solid tip at this point. Don't get me wrong, Im sure they are working dillagently to solve this case, I just do not think they have anything substantial to go on.

I would think by now, someone would have identified the car from the outdoor store. I'm a little dumbfounded that they have not pushed to have that image blasted all over the new repeatedly. While we here are discussing this case daily, we are a small group as compared to the general public and would help more for the masses to be paying attention to it.

 

[Hatfield]

All JMO, but they owe us nothing in regards to updates on the case. I won't argue my opinion vs. others, but I truly believe if they thought the public wasn't safe, we would know. I don't think you have that many teams involved and have no clue. Also, I don't think they're going to tip their hand to let the perp know they're on to them. I could be wrong, and own that, but that's been my gut feel all along. I think it was personal.

We see lots of people agreeing with your opinion in other cases that LE never owes public anything.

I also don't really want to debate the subject but just politely want to mention my opinion on this. I know LE has to always protect their investigation however I do feel LE should do a better job of providing status updates on major cases that affect the community where people may feel danger that someone like this killer is lurking around.

The people don't know what LE knows so they could be afraid. I feel LE should do better to provide status updates without hurting their investigation. Maybe they should have a list of major crimes and have weekly or monthly status updates on their LE website so we know they are still working on the case even.

Without them giving us a status people end up being afraid and think LE is stuck and not doing anything which could be far from the truth. They could provide simple updates just to help calm people. Doesnt have to contain specifics.

They are public servents paid for by the public and when murders happen in their community then people do get afraid without getting assurances from LE that they have it under control.

All JMO of course.

 

[zoeneli]

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Actually, they did. Sorry. LE said almost exactly what I've been outlining in map form, on the path of MB. Here is their wording, speaking of MB's entry into the church:
" ...again we know the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around 4:18, again approximate time, we see her in the video. She's walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have no video of the assault actually taking place." https://youtu.be/XNLtwTK2hq8

We know ...
1 Entering at SW
2 Walking "down the main hallway" - must be the west side hallway, walking north at least some distance from where she entered
3 She gets out of range of camera/it doesn't pick up the motion - clearly indicating she gets somewhere far enough up that hallway that cam (c2) no longer sees her motion
4 And, she ends up in that general vicinity, either in the hall (which has the issue of the cam and movement, perhaps) or on the other side of a wall on one side or the other ...you can see how the proposed end of the camera's view of MB's walk, blue arrow, is in the general vicinity of the X locations just on the other side of one wall or another

Okay, so starting again with LE's quote:
" ...again we know the time that she entered the church, which I believe is going to be around 4:18, again approximate time, we see her in the video. She's walking down the main hallway in the vicinity of where we located her, but when she gets out of the range of the camera it doesn't pick up the motion and the camera turns off, so we don't have anything. Like I said, we have no video of the assault actually taking place."

In the image I am attaching, this is the main hallway, correct? Are those exterior doors at the far end? If so, in this image it looks like the camera has view of almost the entire hallway. Now, out of range just means she isn't being recorded, not that she necessarily made it safely all the way down to the north end. To me though, it implies they see SP, at a minimum, grab her and drag her in to a room, or she for some reason turns into a room on her own. Either way, LE's wording of 'when she gets out of the range of the camera' seems a bit odd. It maybe fits better if she turned in to a room on her own I suppose, but I would still say "until she turns in to a room where we have no footage of her". I will say if she turns in to the kids room or sanctuary on her own and right to where SP is hiding, that removes all doubt for me that this could have been done or planned by anyone other than someone who knew her WELL.

Unless I am missing some scenario that cleanly ties all previous LE statements + LE's new info she entered the SW door + the image showing that C2 records a good deal of the main hallway, I feel like LE isn't giving an accurate account of what they have seen on film. Maybe not lying, but carefully crafting their words to keep specifics under wraps for now.

 

[GeeEm]

No,,the SW says "neither the suspect nor victim, is seen again on video". LE cannot lie in a sworn statement to a judge.


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did want to point out that LE has not released all video that they have of the perp. They've just released all the video that they INTEND to release. There is more, as confirmed in press conference by assistant chief Johnson.


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RBBM Cannonball

Well, which do you think is the correct statement?
I posted that my theory was SwatPerp left the way they entered which I think was down the hallway! Your response to me was the first quote from you.

My thoughts were my opinion based on my notes and what LE has given to us, which meant we have "not see all of the surveillance video"

Call me wrong again but I still believe the LE and that's my story 😳

Not being snarky JMO 🐮

 

[Tippy Lynn]

To my knowledge, LE did not say she walked until out of range. Only that they had her on video entering and heading towards where they presume the suspect was by analyzing all the video. MB could have simply walked through the double doors and took a left into the bathroom.

BBM & IMO- this is most logical explanation. MB could have simply walked through the double doors and took a left into the bathroom. I also think this ties in with the scene being released as quickly as it was. However, it dosn't tie in with the broken glass and signs of struggle with perp.