TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #33

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  • #541
Perp arrived 25 mins before MB, and to me that seems like ample time especially if you have cased the place yourself or had inside info. I think the whole thing was deeply planned. IMO.
He probably did case it or have inside info to know the most likely successful ways to get in.
I believe he had to break the glass as staging. But I'm unfamiliar with him leaving a door open that MB would have seen? I don't know anything about that.
Oh snap I told myself not to debate the B n E scenarios anymore. But it's been too quite in here these last couple of nights. :(


He left a door by the bulletin board open.
And the double Dutch doors.
 
  • #542
With the naked eyed, that looks like a prosthetic right leg/foot. Obviously that would have made this easy to solve if it were true, but it still looks like it to me.
I have always thought the leg looks like a prosthetic when you see the ankle from the back as he is going across the hall toward the Dutch door. It almost looks like light is reflecting off metal at the ankle in that view from the back. I have searched local LE photos to see if there are any with a prosthetic leg but have not found one that is visible. LE hiring veterans is common so it seems like a possibility. Maybe someone can enhance the video to show that more clearly.
 
  • #543
He left a door by the bulletin board open.
And the double Dutch doors.

Oh I see. Thank you. I was thinking you'd meant a door that lead in/out of the bldg.
 
  • #544
Okay. Now I see where you are going with this. That is an interesting way of reading it. One I hadn't considered. Do you think they already had a strong POI or suspect at the time of the warrant? Or do you think that they were just going various POIs and when it came time for the warrant to be executed no firearm was found and they now may have a POI or suspect? Something else?

I think the ATF K9 was brought into the investigation because they had evidence that a firearm was involved in the murder. I can think of a couple of scenarios.

They could have recovered a bullet or spent cartridge case at the crime scene or from Missy's body, either of which can be used to identify the specific weapon that fired it. If the firearm is already in the database, it's serial number would then be linked to this case.

The second possibility is that Missy was carrying a registered firearm and the killer took it.

In either scenario, police would have the serial number but not the weapon.
 
  • #545
I think the ATF K9 was brought into the investigation because they had evidence that a firearm was involved in the murder. I can think of a couple of scenarios.

They could have recovered a bullet or spent cartridge case at the crime scene or from Missy's body, either of which can be used to identify the specific weapon that fired it. If the firearm is already in the database, it's serial number would then be linked to this case.

The second possibility is that Missy was carrying a registered firearm and the killer took it.

In either scenario, police would have the serial number but not the weapon.

Police can get a serial number of a specific weapon with just the bullet or casing? I know they can determine the model or type of gun but how do they come up with a serial number of a specific gun?
 
  • #546
In either scenario, police would have the serial number but not the weapon.

If the assumption (or thesis) is that MB was shot, that serial number would NOT likely be from perp's firearm used in shooting MB. LE very likely has already determined the identity of the registered owner using the SN, and if it was a murder weapon he'd be in jail awaiting a capital murder trial.
 
  • #547
...RSBM long length...

JMHO, but I don't believe MB was attacked in the auditorium. Do we know for certain that her class worked out in there? Like Jethro pointed out, there is no glass in the SW corner of the auditorium. And, this is just me, maybe...but I don't see the corner of the auditorium as the "SW corner of the building." I was under the impression from the FB photos that the group worked out in the hall near the Holy Grounds - the hall being plenty big and right by the restrooms and the SW portico doors, so she wouldn't have to lug her equipment so far. Also (and I don't have proof of this), I have the feeling that the interior rooms of the church would still be locked until official church staff showed up.

....RSBM long length...

We have debated it much before, but the phone-ipad SW states: "The victim was later found deceased at the south west comer of the interior of the building." We have no clarification of what that means.

We also have no idea if there are any glass objects or tables inside the SW corner of the auditorium. I have never seen a photo of that area, and anything movable could have been placed there at any time. The SP had time to prep before MB arrived and he may have acquired some object from inside to also smash MB with, like a vase, something that might look worthy of theft?

I also disagree with you that there is anything like enough space in any of the hallways for anyone to perform workout activities. The main hallway would also be a dangerous area with the polished floor and too many objects, like the glass table, and a long rectanglar space seems awkward for a group trying to follow a leader's instructions or demonstrations.

Just chatting with you - no snark intended!
 
  • #548
Police can get a serial number of a specific weapon with just the bullet or casing? I know they can determine the model or type of gun but how do they come up with a serial number of a specific gun?

Firearms leave unique impressions on bullets and cartridge cases. Fired bullets will have striations caused by the rifling lands and grooves in the barrel of the firearm. Cartridge cases will have impressions such as firing pin impression, extractor marks, ejector marks, and/or breech face marks. Yes, these impressions can be used to identify the specific weapon not just make, model or caliber. Without having a weapon in custody to compare these impressions to, they can be compared with firearms already in the database.

The stolen firearms others have posted about would be in the database. They would have been test-fired after seizure and entered into the database to determine if they'd been used in other crimes.
 
  • #549
If the assumption (or thesis) is that MB was shot, that serial number would NOT likely be from perp's firearm used in shooting MB. LE very likely has already determined the identity of the registered owner using the SN, and if it was a murder weapon he'd be in jail awaiting a capital murder trial.

All firearms have serial numbers. Not all are registered. And not all that are registered remain in the possession of the registered owner.
 
  • #550
It amazes me why there is any question over the verification of the alibis. To me, the question is, do the verifications match what each person told? LE is certainly NOT going to say anything different until they have a person arrested and it may not come out until trial.

We have to remember how many agencies were immediately involved in this case. With a few exceptions, there would be taped video to back up receipts. Whether the employee would actually recall checking a person in at a hotel or airport, is questionable. If the person checking in does or says something to call attention to themselves, then the employee has a better chance of remembering them. Some hotels require a driver's license for identification, therefore, Joe Jones could not check in as Bill Wilson on Bill's reservation. On car rental, a driver's license is always a requirement and a copy is made of it.

These receipts have paper trails on the computer. It is amazing what information can be gathered. I am confident that each receipt has been verified to the maximum!

My opinions only.

Since he said a friend rented the car and the charter was paid for by someone else it's possible there wouldn't be anything to verify other than his flight, and the recollections of clerks and service personnel. Perhaps they also got pings from his phone on towers there.
 
  • #551
I went to arkansasmimi's post and grabbed these images from Thread 23 Post #637

05-28-2016, 02:23 PM

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ETA: I need to UPDATED this photo, the WHITE Square is actually the broken kitchen window, the metal kitchen door is to the left of it where the side walk is leading up to that metal door. I am not on my laptop so not sure how to do on tablet. Sorry for confusion. Just looked at and realized.


Thank you, Mimi. :loveyou: arkansasmimi
 
  • #552
Why was MB not killed outside of the church as she was getting out of truck or behind it when taking out equipment?

A lot of us believe not killed at home to spare Ds.

Why not a drive by?

Why not take her to field behind church? Sorry Graphic

Why bother to dress up? Put dark clothes on put a black ski mask on drive up and...

why make this so difficult? Seems pretty elaborate for something that seems to me
could have been so simple. (I'm not a criminal so what would I know - just seems
very overboard)

Maybe MB had tried and BB (as we could see) turned a cold shoulder and let's not discount
that he may have had his own affair that MB found out about. A little fire (if a certain family
mrmber is reading on here they'll know what this means) to put out. Maybe she had enough.
Maybe this was planned in two weeks.

sorry mods tell me if I'm went to far with that one statement.
 
  • #553
Police can get a serial number of a specific weapon with just the bullet or casing? I know they can determine the model or type of gun but how do they come up with a serial number of a specific gun?

Firearms leave unique impressions on bullets and cartridge cases. Fired bullets will have striations caused by the rifling lands and grooves in the barrel of the firearm. Cartridge cases will have impressions such as firing pin impression, extractor marks, ejector marks, and/or breech face marks. Yes, these impressions can be used to identify the specific weapon not just make, model or caliber. Without having a weapon in custody to compare these impressions to, they can be compared with firearms already in the database.

The stolen firearms others have posted about would be in the database. They would have been test-fired after seizure and entered into the database to determine if they'd been used in other crimes.

Thanks, Scout. You said it much more succinctly than what I was trying to type.

I was looking at the wording of that search warrant again. Maybe it's just the way my thinking is going right now, but that part bolded by me sure makes it sound like the serial number in question is one from a stolen or expected-to-be destroyed gun.

"In this instance, the responsive information contains a serial number of a firearm which the City seeks to withhold under Section 552.108(b)(1). Release of this serial number could interfere with law enforcement by divulging a firearm serial number that could be used on illegal firearms or be falsely used in a missing weapons report."
 
  • #554
There would be no real risk of the serial number being used fraudulently if the firearm were in police custody.

After getting the serial number couldn't someone say "that is my gun that was stolen a few weeks or months ago"? Thereby removing them further from suspicion.
 
  • #555
After getting the serial number couldn't someone say "that is my gun that was stolen a few weeks or months ago"? Thereby removing them further from suspicion.

Yes, they could. It appears that the firearm in question is not registered to an owner.
 
  • #556
Here is an article that does a pretty good job of explaining firearm identification through the NIBIN database. NIBIN is maintained by the ATF, but each state will have at least one LE organization with an IBIS platform. There are surely many in Texas -- in large police departments, the Texas Rangers, and regional offices for federal agencies.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20121126/PC16/121129546/1268/ballistics-identification-database-helps-police-track-gun-crime-suspects&source=RSS
 
  • #557
Isn't it also possible that LE has in their possession an unregistered gun with a known serial number, but they have no idea who the owner of said gun is? It's not the only option, but isn't it one possible explanation? Maybe I am missing something. :thinking:

^sbm Just thinking aloud here, but from detail below, seems TX has no hand gun registration so seems there would be a lot of guns in TX that LE could not match to current owners.

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Long answer w links.

Per wiki Summary* spreadsheet, there is (gen'ly?) no TX-required registration for handgun or long gun ownership in the state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas

National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, (aka Fed'l Brady bill) appears background check form records info gun info, including manuf or importer, model #, serial # and caliber or gauge. Only applies to quires FFL/Federal Firearm Licensees, i.e., gundealers, not purhases made thru individuals.
That ^ identifies buyer name as purchasing a specific gun. https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download https://www.atf.gov/
firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction...
See also: https://www.fbi.gov/services/cjis/nics
JM2cts.
 
  • #558
Why was MB not killed outside of the church as she was getting out of truck or behind it when taking out equipment?

A lot of us believe not killed at home to spare Ds.

Why not a drive by?

Why not take her to field behind church? Sorry Graphic

Why bother to dress up? Put dark clothes on put a black ski mask on drive up and...

why make this so difficult? Seems pretty elaborate for something that seems to me
could have been so simple. (I'm not a criminal so what would I know - just seems
very overboard)

Maybe MB had tried and BB (as we could see) turned a cold shoulder and let's not discount
that he may have had his own affair that MB found out about. A little fire (if a certain family
mrmber is reading on here they'll know what this means) to put out. Maybe she had enough.
Maybe this was planned in two weeks.

sorry mods tell me if I'm went to far with that one statement.

Interesting statement........are you able to elaborate?
 
  • #559
The Bundy analogywas in reference to the sweet innocent facade he and one of the POI’s have incommon (and also shows up in one of the enhanced screen shots). To limit the perp’s appearance to mean, crazyor demonic could lead to us missing a guilty party. Yes, they might not have much else in common.
Big fan ofOccam here. You are correct, we’ve probablybeen spinning too elaborate of a tale (idleness is the devil’s workshop,right?) But I’m so convinced that this is not a randomcrime, a B&E, that I will drink an entire glass of beet juice (and I hatebeet juice) if it was a wrong place/wrong time.

If I remember correctly, Bundy was referred to as "a nice guy," but did people refer to him as having a sweet demeanor? I'm not nit-picking (not another glass debate) so please don't think that. I just think there really is a difference in the two. IMO

Also, I really don't think there is a comparison here if this crime was committed by someone close to Missy. Bundy killed because he liked to kill, he liked to torture women. If this was committed by the person I think you are referring to, it would not have been because he liked to kill. It's comparing apples to oranges. IMO

I do agree that some of his statements are odd and suspicious, but I still have trouble seeing him as someone who would murder or plan the murder of the mother of his children. I think maybe he was doing other things possibly that he knew were wrong and maybe that's why his behavior and statements seem off. Maybe he didn't even love Missy anymore and maybe he felt guilty about that too. IDK...All IMO only...



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  • #560
Did you guys speak the night before, and what did you say to her?

“Every day for the last 10 months, she has made it a point to text me at work that she
loves me, and have a good day honey. When I finally arrived in Biloxi around
7:30, which was later than I was supposed to be there, I spoke to her. She said
good night, and it was still about 8 o’clock. I called her anyway, probably
around 9 or 9:30
to tell her I love her, and she was already half-asleep. And
that’s the last time I spoke to her.”
...RSBM..youtube...

excerpt from: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1607/06/ddhln.01.html

"...Lisa Bloom, Host: [KS], police reports are saying that [MB] may have had an affair. Did you know anything about that?

[KS]: I knew of one um that happened about a year and a half ago. Um, that was the only one that I knew of. And um you know when this thing first happened, that um was the first thing that went through my mind was--you know--was, did this have anything to do with--with an affair, that she may have had another one, you know, cause what a lot of people thought, you know, it (clears throat) it certainly looked targeted and could an affair play a part in this?..."

18 months before murder - an affair by MB
10 months before murder - "I love you" every day MB to BB
4 months before and continuing to murder - MB engaging in flirtatious LI messages

How did LE know so quickly that MB and CW were engaging in flirtatious LI messages since there were attempts to immediately delete them? WHO is it that knew about the flirtatious messages and informed LE? Was it CW or someone else? The LinkedIn SW for CW was issued without his knowledge, and the strongest terms were advised to LinkedIn not to disclose the existence of the SW, so was it someone else who told LE about the flirtatious and intimate messages?

From the LinkedIn SW dated 4/27/2016:

page 13/18 of pdf, page 4/9 of CW SW:
"...THE COURT HEREBY ORDERS THE ABOVE-LISTED PROVIDER NOT TO
DISCLOSE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS SEARCH WARRANT, BECAUSE THE
EVIDENCE BEING SOUGHT IS EASILY DELETED OR DESTROYED. IN
ADDITION, AFFIANT’S INVESTIGATION IS NOT KNOWN TO THE SUSPECT AND
DISCLOSURE OF THE INVESTIGATION WILL LIKELY CAUSE IMMEDIATE
DANGER TO WITNESSES, DESTRUCTION OFOTHER PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AND
FLIGHT FROM PROSECUTION ..."

page 16/18 of pdf, page 7/9 of CW SW:
"...Additionally, law enforcement has conducted several interviews with persons of interest
and during one such interview learned that [CW], had engaged in while on
the Linkedln Social Media Service several correspondence with the decedent since
(January of2016) until her death. These communications were described as flirtatious
and familiar. ...

...An electronic forensic data extraction of the cellphones belonging to the decedent and
[CW] confirms that the communications using Linkedln occurred. The content of
the recovered communications appears intimate in nature. The extracted information
also showed that these communications were deleted after the conversation ended and
were only able to be partially recovered. ..."

JMO If there had been affair(s), and an attempt to reconcile, and daily "I love you", then a new series of flirtations or an affair that is being kept secret by deleting the messages... JMO if I were a spouse in this situation, I would feel more than betrayed, more than lied to, but more like duped, made a fool of, or made a chump, and I would be more than angry about another affair, I would be enraged at the duplicity.

This SW is why I never understood the aspersions cast on AT/CT when the SW states that the person MB was having flirtatious and intimate messaging with was CW, not AT.
 
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