TX - Terri 'Missy' Bevers,45, murdered in church/person in SWAT gear,18 Apr 2016 #34

[tazman1160]

IMO, religion, has no relavence in this case. The church just happend to be a space that MB either rented out or was allowed to use, most likely in exchange for some sort of donation to the church. May just because the church is a charritable organization that supports their community, member or not. Regardless, MB had other venues to work out that were not churches. A church, letting a member, or member of the community use its facilities, is not at all unusual. As MB was not a member ot this church, I doubt that many, if any, COC members knew of her marital indiscretions, nor do I think, regardless of what their beliefs are that a fanatic may have killed her because he/she disliked that she was using the facility for a work out class.

I believe it was the most convient location for the crime to be commited. A little remote, alone, wee hours of the morning. I am not of the opinion that this person had to be someone in MB's inside circle (family or close friends) to know that she would be there that morning, as one of the first facts we learned was that she announced it to the world on facebook the night before. I have no doubt that most likley this suspect knew MB in some regard. What that was, I have not idea, but I do have my suspicions. Im not in the Mulitple perp, family did it camp.

As for the question of what kind of person would do this in a church? Well, the unfortunate facts, are that population in general, have become less and less religious, and the majority of our young people are now either agnostic, or out and out athiest. Many of our adults are agnostic, and religion really just has no relavence in their lives, so Church, burger joint.....nickles worth of differance, and particularly to the type of personality that would kill someone.

Totally agree!

 

[Razz]

I'm not really 100% on this but have a strong hunch it was AJ's wife.


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It may be, however....I have become interested in the other CT, the half bro. And since we don't know for sure exactly who MPD is referring to, I'd love to have someone analyze his eyes.
And if anyone were to look at FB, you might notice some interesting things

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[Jethro4WS]

where did you learn that the killer had two different hammers?

What is that is being carried on their right hand side in that belt?

 

[Jethro4WS]

where did you learn that the killer had two different hammers?

This is what they had in hand at the time.

 

[No it's not]

What is that is being carried on their right hand side in that belt?

Pry bar.

-Nin

 

[Cannonball3804]

IMO, religion, has no relavence in this case. The church just happend to be a space that MB either rented out or was allowed to use, most likely in exchange for some sort of donation to the church. May just because the church is a charritable organization that supports their community, member or not. Regardless, MB had other venues to work out that were not churches. A church, letting a member, or member of the community use its facilities, is not at all unusual. As MB was not a member ot this church, I doubt that many, if any, COC members knew of her marital indiscretions, nor do I think, regardless of what their beliefs are that a fanatic may have killed her because he/she disliked that she was using the facility for a work out class.

I believe it was the most convient location for the crime to be commited. A little remote, alone, wee hours of the morning. I am not of the opinion that this person had to be someone in MB's inside circle (family or close friends) to know that she would be there that morning, as one of the first facts we learned was that she announced it to the world on facebook the night before. I have no doubt that most likley this suspect knew MB in some regard. What that was, I have not idea, but I do have my suspicions. Im not in the Mulitple perp, family did it camp.

As for the question of what kind of person would do this in a church? Well, the unfortunate facts, are that population in general, have become less and less religious, and the majority of our young people are now either agnostic, or out and out athiest. Many of our adults are agnostic, and religion really just has no relavence in their lives, so Church, burger joint.....nickles worth of differance, and particularly to the type of personality that would kill someone.

As for my own answer to what kind of person would do this in a church? Well, the kind of person that didn't have that building as Plan A anyway. Plan A was the gun store and after reconsidering that target, the church was the nearest building and a lot easier to break into.

It didn't matter that it was a church. It mattered that it was close.


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[Batbrat]

IMO, religion, has no relavence in this case. The church just happend to be a space that MB either rented out or was allowed to use, most likely in exchange for some sort of donation to the church.

I agree with this, Chuck. Thank you. That's partially why I brought it up. Because I don't believe it has relevance one way or another. That is, in the context that the location would either not be considered sanctified by the perp, or chosen because of its significance or beliefs/emotions linked to the church. I believe the location was chosen for reasons other than the fact it was a church. It may as well have been a YMCA or community center.

 

[DeDee]

I can't believe I'm still up trying to figure out Room 6, but I think my delirium has paid off. I was wrong about this being a glimpse of a bathroom through the open door.

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It is actually a small sink in the kitchen just inside the north exit. I've circled the edge of the sink visible under the guy's arm.

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So that open door in Room 6 is the one that's standing open in the kitchen to the left of the exit door.

Jethro's amazing interior map of CCC:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-32&p=12692621#post12692621

From the NE Corner, traveling the N hall toward the W hall, the first door is 8, the Cafe'. The second door is also 8, the Cafe'. The next two doors are numbered 7, the Kitchen areas. In between 7 and 8 is an interior door entering and exiting between those two rooms.

[video=youtube;ePS8TJ6UAqY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePS8TJ6UAqY[/video]

The purple haze lighting, seen on the floor and edges near the walls, comes from the center interior light in the ceiling. It might be the motion sensor that is inserted into the overhead fluorescent lights in the N and the S hallways.

 

[CHUCKJ]

As for my own answer to what kind of person would do this in a church? Well, the kind of person that didn't have that building as Plan A anyway. Plan A was the gun store and after reconsidering that target, the church was the nearest building and a lot easier to break into.

It didn't matter that it was a church. It mattered that it was close.


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I won't argue that. I have considered that when it comes to the question of the gear, that although it is not typical of a burglary to go that far, I could easily see someone who was going to rob a gun store dressing like that. Most likley knowing that they have cameras everywhere. Being into that type of gear in the first place.

Im not there yet, but for that matter, im not there on a suspect, or a motive, for murder.

Really at this point, I would say that it is somthing to consider, and that knowing what we know, witch is really no much at all, it makes just as much sence and takes no more stretch of the imagination, or speculation, than any other theory presented here thus far, and may actually make more sence than the alternatives.

 

[DeDee]

Is Kings Gate Security a company recently hired by CCC to monitor for security?

Photo Credit: Personal Camera

 

[TTF14]

It may be, however....I have become interested in the other CT, the half bro. And since we don't know for sure exactly who MPD is referring to, I'd love to have someone analyze his eyes.
And if anyone were to look at FB, you might notice some interesting things

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I see nothing interesting.

 

[CHUCKJ]

I agree with this, Chuck. Thank you. That's partially why I brought it up. Because I don't believe it has relevance one way or another. That is, in the context that the location would either not be considered sanctified by the perp, or chosen because of its significance or beliefs/emotions linked to the church. I believe the location was chosen for reasons other than the fact it was a church. It may as well have been a YMCA or community center.

Take a look at cannonball's post in reply to the same just obove. I know it is not popular, as in all the initial excitment of something so unusual as a person dressed in swat gear, couldn't have possibly been anything other than a sinister plot of some sort. Buuuut....at this point, short of additional information, I think it is worth considering. I agree with his accessment when it comes to what kind of person would break into a church dressed like this and murder someone. Im a realistic thinker, and as such, must consider the plausability of one theory or theoris as apposed to all conflicting theories.

That being said. To me is is much more plausable that someone who likes guns, or outdoor equipment, or tactical gear, that was going to rob a store such as this would dress up in this type of gear than someone who what going to break into a church or even break into a church to murder someone.

I would be a little perplexed as to why they would have decided to rob the church, if in fact that they knew there would be little value there, but not at all conflicted about why they may have pulled up in their nissan altima, at the back of a gun store looked at the camera situation and decided against trying to break in. Also, the array of tools they suspect was carrying would make much more sense if they were going to breach a roll down steel door guard at a sporting goods store than a church with a bunch of big glass doors in it.

 

[Batbrat]

I would be a little perplexed as to why they would have decided to rob the church, if in fact that they knew there would be little value there, but not at all conflicted about why they may have pulled up in their nissan altima, at the back of a gun store looked at the camera situation and decided against trying to break in. Also, the array of tools they suspect was carrying would make much more sense if they were going to breach a roll down steel door guard at a sporting goods store than a church with a bunch of big glass doors in it.

So to clarify, you think this was a burglary?

 

[arkansasmimi]

Is Kings Gate Security a company recently hired by CCC to monitor for security?

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JMHO I believe it is. Sticker is NEW. Also in a new VBS photo, it appears a new camera has been added near Cub Corner - same wall near an air vent. Can be seen in reflection of Come as You Are area mirror.

 

[DeDee]

CCTV at SWFA gun shop in late July 2016

SWFA on Highway 287S as seen in distance from CCoC

SWFA on Highway 287S [Front entry and back view of CCTV]

Photo Credit: Personal Camera

 

[DeDee]

This is what they had in hand at the time.

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[CHUCKJ]

So to clarify, you think this was a burglary?

No, just that it is plausable.

It more easily answers the question of why the suspect would have been wearing that type of gear to begin with, and why they would have all the tools they had.

The car being seen on camera prior to the murder at the sporting goods store, coupled with the fact that people who frequent those type of stores, or would rob one, may be into that type of general.

Im not stereo typing anyone who owns guns. I own guns. I dont dress in camo all the time and I dont own a bulet proof vest, but there are those who do.

It still does not get us any closer to why this person killed MB, or who they were for that matter, just that it's as plausable a theoy as any others presented here, and I thought it was worth mentioning because it

been met with much negativity when brought up here. Its also not near as exciting of a story, or involved a mystery if that is the case and thus believe for some (not all) if they consider it as a possibility, then

for them this case immediatly louses interest. The short answer is that cannonball's comment had good solid roots, and because I have seen many combative replies when the burglary theory came up, I didn't

think is was fair to leave CB(ha ha) hanging out there on it by himself.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Quote Originally Posted by Camerabug View Post
5/20/16 2:00am Nissan Altima (LT color) pulls into SWFA parking lot and parks

5/20/16 MPD release photo of Altima and ask for driver to come forward this video https://youtu.be/ZmkS4zzivWU

5/20/16 MPD posts again..Nissan Altima is NOT a suspect vehicle mentioned in presser

5/20/16 road blocks begin stopping light colored Nissan Altimas and continue through the weekend...(eye witness still developing) work in progress looking for second confirmation from a local...did anyone witness this?

I have more but nothing that can be posted here, and nothing that isn't already known to MPD...

Quote Originally Posted by arkansasmimi View Post
Hold on Partner the Altima was seen on video on the day of the murder April 18, and photo was released on May 20. Happens to me too when I see something that looks hinky.

Police released new images of a light-colored 2010-2012 Nissan Altima seen in surveillance video pulling into the nearby SWFA Outdoors parking lot at 2 a.m. on the day of the murder. Investigators now want to talk to the driver and find out more about what he or she may have seen. http://www.fox4news.com/news/143398538-story

Which they did. Now connect the dots.


4/18/16 2:00am Nissan Altima (LT color) pulls into SWFA parking lot and parks

5/5/16 article quoting: Police say that they believe the still-unknown killer may have been in contact with one of the phones identified in the warrant based on very specific tips received after the Midlothian Police Department posted video of the suspect walking around and vandalizing the church before killing Bevers with puncture wounds to her chest and head.
http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/warrants-in-missy-bevers-murder-describe-a-troubled-marriage-and-online-flirtations

The SWFA comes forward and tells MPD they have a video they might be interested in....
5/20/16 MPD release photo of Altima and ask for driver to come forward
5/20/16 MPD posts again..Nissan Altima is NOT a suspect vehicle
5/20/16 through 5/23/16 road blocks begin stopping light colored Nissan Altimas

those road block were productive. IMHO. <mod snip>

Catching up sorry if already been addressed.
My reply was just to correct that you said the Altima was seen on 5/20 (typo, that was my reason for replying with a link) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...T-gear-18-Apr-2016-34&p=12718339#post12718339
Also MPD has not told us when they rec'd the video from SWFA. We were told April 18 Press Conf that they had collected video from area business surv cameras, which could be a lot. Also Kerry Sanders from Today Show April 21 said on Thur that FBI was going thru video from SWFA to see if anyone had been in store with same gait and mannerisms recently. IIRC from MSM video interview with employee of the SWFA they noticed the 2 am car pretty fast and alerted MPD. JMHO I do not think that they didnt contact MPD until late May. IIRC, the reason for the 2nd post about NOT a suspect, is because in a comment on the First post BB himself made a comment (which many had comments about) stating that the Altima is not a suspect vehicle and more or less recommended MPD to make another post stating that. I have ss but been a while since looked at it. Since BB reactivated his account, the post may have reactivated also. JMHO

My point in this post is if I am understanding your post that you think the SWFA just had gave the Altima video to MPD (I do not think this is correct but I could be wrong)
And the reason for the 2nd comment on the Altima on MPD fb page.
JMHO

 

[Batbrat]

No, just that it is plausable.

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I didn't think is was fair to leave CB(ha ha) hanging out there on it by himself.

It's definitely plausible. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Weighing the likelihood is another story. I certainly don't agree with everyone on the forums, and wouldn't expect them to necessarily agree with me. I do think we all agree on one thing - we want the case to be solved. If it does, some of us will be wrong. I'm totally okay with that.

 

[Deleted member 172065]

Since i'm in the Stalker Camp today, thinking what kinda of guy (and age) would be mostly to do it.
I'll have to google it for ideas. But off the top of my head, he's probably mids 20s or early 30s.
Do i think she could attract the younger set since she's 45? I think so.... ?
jmo